Bob I am confused because in your first post you said it was a "typical resealment job" but now you are saying how good a job it was.

i did ask jackie (joe o's secretary) this question and to point out exactly where on the case it was compromised and she informed me that joe would only talk to the authorities or someone at one of my financial institutions in regards to getting my refund. she said he would not discuss the holder being comprised at all.

i wasn't inquiring to go on a witch hunt, rather looking to ascertain some knowledge on what exactly i should be looking for on these technologically advanced fakes so that i can know what to look for moving forward.

previous versions were fish in a barrel. with overlabels and flashlight tests, conflicting barcode scans vs. cert numbers, frosting here, cracking there, cloudy adhesive everywhere, etc.

this round of fakes were not. im still impressed.

per the letter.

edit: but when asked where on the holder the resealment took place, i got "we cant tell you that". so that got me thinking about the reholder aspect and slipping one past the goalie.

Interesting, as I believe there is an Anthony Muia in Brooklyn who runs a successful tour business (Slice of Brooklyn) that has been on TV and has a great reputation up in these parts. Not sure if this has any relevance, just throwing it out there.

Great sense of humor :D

As if PSA really gave a crap. As was already said, they knew about re-sealed slabs over a decade ago, but only recently decided to improve their slab.

here are some full scans...

I was following this pretty well, but now am confused. Possible the holder wasn't tampered with?

still no half grade fakes yet..

i don't know. which is why i asked to be informed.

the orr and bird do have that small 1/8" of what could be considered "tampering" on the left side of the holder, but ive also seen similar marks along w/ spider cracks and things of that sort that come straight from psa.

but usually the compromised holders are near the top corner so they can diagonally insert flip and card in. how could you insert a flip where those 1/8" marks w/o cracking or cause frosting that is more damaging than what is seen.

but that montana. from the scans, i don't think id ever think twice...

edit: again, not witch hunting. just would like to get an answer for protection and to be on the look out.

hell, i'd be happy w/ a vid tutorial on the psa site.

walk us thru each fake, or example there of, on how they are being done...

"this month on spotting the fake..."

Authentic decimal points are tough to duplicate.;)

The best was when they said they were going to talk to Joe Orlando to have this thread removed. lol Leon must have got a nice laugh out of that.

Why would those be tougher to fake?

And all they have to do to respond to this thread that they're so worried about is provide their real name and phone number when they register? Seems like such a simple solution. The lack of common sense in some people amazes me.

This makes me wonder what name (professional alias) he is using in his discussions with Joe. Maybe he is going to comp Joe a tour of Brooklyn.:D

lol :)

ok, here is one last gem considering i'm the unstable one.

baffles me that they cant understand why i will only talk to them via text

or the fact that everything they send isn't being saved.


i have blocked 3 numbers from them at this point, but considering it's Friday...

here is another gem from a very professional anthony, i mean, william or is it vadim?

enjoy!

edit: removed image as to not offend anyone. but it was funny! ; )

very professional..

Is it possible that they're not re-seal jobs? Is it possible that fake slabs and flips are being reproduced? Or is it even possible that real slabs are leaving PSA out the backdoor and being sold to the crooks. The pics you posted don't seem to show signs of tampering...and they have the PSA logo in the bottom right corner.

that's why I was asking about authentication thru reholdering.

a reholder fee on $5K is $35.
a review fee is $500 - $700.

I can not imagine they are paying the guy that's reviewing cards @ $700 a pop, the same as the guy that is reholdering at $35 a pop.



people send in cards all the time to be reholdered because they've been dropped, cracked, etc.

are the guys "reholdering" proficient in spotting an altered card/holder?

ie. scammer cracks a case. inserts doctored card, but doesn't necessarily reseal or does a great reseal job and then sends it in to get reholdered?

or buy a few high dollar real cards and slip a doctored one in the bunch?

not saying this IS happening.

but is it possible to slip one past the goalie occasionally?

I was just trying to get an answer but was told that I wouldn't even be talked to by jackie* even though it says "if you would like to discuss w/ me, my number is..."

* side note: and i believe this to be the same jackie that mods the cu board

Sounds like more than one thing is a definite possibility?

When Begsu stated, "that come straight from PSA" I immediately thought of a corrupt mailman or post office who might also be in on this?

Endless possibilities I suppose, but it seems more and more clear to me this a network or a collaboration with more than just a couple people. :confused:

I agree it was funny but was just a bit over the top for the forum to stay in the PG rated area....These folks are something.

If that's possible it's a very scary thought. I would hope that even with a reholder someone at PSA would be able to tell if it was an original PSA holder that had not been tampered with or not.

It would be nice if we could get a direct answer from them on this issue but I doubt that will happen.

Damn I missed the image...can we at least get a PG round about description? :D

He...umm...expressed a desire to make love to a certain part of Bob's body.

Nicely done Dan!! :p

Ha!

Indeed!

This topic needs more input. Does PSA review the card during a re-holdering or not? If PSA is not reviewing the card and just re-holdering, what prevents someone from sending in a PSA 9 cracked case, and inserting a PSA 8 in its' place to be "re-holdered"?

I'm not addressing someone inserting a counterfeit card during the re-holder process, just a lesser grade card.

Seems to me PSA needs to change their policy. The re-holder fee must include a verification of original card fee.

Especially where the difference between a 9 and a 10 is mostly illusory anyhow, although the price tag is multiples different. Buy a 9, open it up, print a 10 label, reseal, and reholder.

The only time I sent in a cracked holder for a reholder, I got an email saying because the case was compromised the card would have to be reviewed for any damage and I was not guaranteed the same grade. I had to respond with an email acknowledging that before they would proceed.

I recently sent cards in for a reholder in person in long Beach and was told the cards are not reviewed as long as the holder is not compromised. How much scrutiny the holders get before they are cracked out is the bigger issue. Especially as Bob mentioned if someone sent in a few good ones along with one that had been cracked and resealed.

At least the grade isn't reviewed. I don't know if they inspect the card for authenticity.

Maybe they can tell the resealed ones because they take more than 2 seconds to open.:) Seriously I would bet the resealed slabs are much harder to open.

got a call from denver police detective today requesting info on this.
super nice guy and an actual coin collector. he has dealt w/ some fraudulent psa holders previously,
so if anyone has any info on these guys or been the victim of a fake holder,
they are asked to please contact him.
as a collector himself,
he seems to hold sincere interest in this case!

email below:



Bob

The suspect’s name is Mayo McNeil, and another person claiming to be his grandson uses Matt McNeil.
Anything from them would be highly suspect.




http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/584.../EmailIcon.jpg

Peter J. Palombi, 85013| Detective
Denver Police Department | City and County of Denver
720.913.6062 Phone | 720.913.7027 Fax
peter.palombi@denvergov.org

To clarify, these are the guys whose cards were listed by cardregistry?

Just got off the phone with this detective hence the thread just started. Yes, it is a fake or altered holder issue, I believe...

no.

these are the guy/guys that are possibly obtaining the fakes from mexico.
and have unloaded a few in the co area. apparently he is a 75 year old man and has had previous run ins w/ the detective.

for complete transparency, the guys at cardregistry were, indeed, on the hook for the $100K+ that was "sold" and was taken from their bank acct. but i think the total was $156Kish.

still go back and forth about feeling bad for them considering that amount.

I am still confused, so what's their connection to cardregistry?

might be the consignor, i guess?

apparently cr had to file a IC3 complaint.

assuming it listed all the parties involved....

from a quick search...

Right, that's what I asked and you said no.

simply because i don't know...

i am sure there are several hands and layers to this.

the name that was given to me by cardregistry as the consignor was not that name.

but could be on the paper trail/bank acct somewhere or something.

will probably never know for certainty.

I am confused. Is that a$$hole Mayo still at it?

possibly.


certainly a person of interest apparently....


terrible if he is actually using his grandson, even in name capacity.

takes a real dirt bag to even associate his grandson in something like this.

That would be great if that was his grandson. Well that a$$hole from Mexico is on this board as well. Goldbullion2000@gmail.com

He had another email he used also.

Lol

So there are some bad cards in Grandpa's attic eh?

Well if I know about the emails I can get rid of the associated id. Though it doesn't look like he used this one for board purposes since 2012. That user, prewarguy, is banned now though.

did i miss something?

who is prewarguy?

He is the guy registered on this board, from Mexico (probably), making/altering cases and giving PSA fits. He is brazen and was registered as prewarguy on this board since 2012. But now he is banned under that id.....No doubt he probably has another but we take them as we get 'em.. He will have his day and I have told him that recently (as I stated not long ago)......LL

I appreciate the integrity of this board. You guys protect your own and the hobby. Well done.

I still can't believe that Cardregistry paid the consignor so soon after the auctions ended. They didn't even consider the buyers have 30 days (or is it 45 days) to return per ebay policy. Even if the cards were legit, buyers remorse could have caused a return and then it resells for less. So incredibly dumb.

I was the fool separated from my $$
 

First post here, found this thread in a Google search of Mayo McNeil. I was scammed by Mayo about a year ago for a PSA 9 Jordan and PSA 9 Reggie Jackson RC. I awnsered a craigslist ad in Denver for a PSA 9 Jordan just before my son was born, looking to put an iconic card away for him to have one day. Like an idiot I bought the case and not the card, checking the PSA number, barcode, light through the flip, no frosting on the case, pretty much all the things to look for when trying to spot a fake PSA case. I completely disregarded the fact it was a fake Jordan! I was invited to Mayo's apartment and did not feel anything "off" and I consider myself to be fairly street smart and proficient in reading character. 2k down the drain. This card was put aside for my son and I never had the intention of moving it.
So fast forward 2-3 months and I get a phone call from Mayo again. I engage not suspecting anything off from the Jordan that is vaulted for the kids futures for he tells me about a Reggie Jackson rookie he has available. PSA 9 and he wants 4K for it. A little research shows me its a good deal and we agree on a price of $3600. Flip checked out, barcode checked out, everything the same as before. While I was checking out the Reggie rc Mayo showed me a few other things he had for sale, I now know all were fakes. PSA 10 Ricky Henderson RC, Dimitri Young PSA 10 Robin Yount RC, PSA 9 1971 topps Nolan Ryan and Roberto Clemente, Jackie Robinson autographed Brooklyn Dodgers game program, Christy Mathewson autographed ball, and so much more. I was able to snap a photo of a majority of the cards described here!
At this point I mailed the Reggie to Rick with Probstein123 for an auction. I figured that he had the customer base and following on eBay to make more than his consignment rates making it as profitable move as possible. Well I shipped it to Rick and got a call a couple days later. He could not auction the card for me due to suspicion that the card was trimmed. I was floored. He took it to a friend who worked with SGC and confirmed his suspicion. I was also iformed that I could jam my thumb nail in the crack of a fraudulent case and it could crack and whiten, though the Reggie could not be cracked that way. (I immediately tried the Jordan and it cracked right open with a thumbnail!) He mailed it back to me and I got it the same weekend of a local show. When I went to the show I went right to the best known vintage dealer and asked his opinion, he asked if I got it from a guy named mayo McNeil and informed me that he has been doing this for a while. I was put in touch with Det. Palombi (sp?) and essentially told that since I was taken in Aurora not Denver he could not help unless an Aurora cop opened a case and then they could colab on the case. So! Be careful out there, I keep a Reggie and Jordan PSA around to remind me I can't be too overprotective of my money.
Another frustrating part of the situation was trying to get any info out of PSA security about what was going on, I was basically told the cards were fine and legit maybe Rick changed his mind for some other reason. (Yeah, right Rick is here to consign things and isn't likely to turn away money for no reason.) But if I wanted to send them in for a second opinion I could. Being 2015 at the time I took to asking Joe Orlando for help on Twitter. He blocked me 45 minutes later. I'll update this soon, and figure out how to add pics, I just typed this all on a mobile!

Jon Scanlon