Awesome banner, Marc. Yes, I'm jealous.

Agree.... That is an EXCELLENT find!

Beautifully done, and way too well-crafted/polished to be home-made. I have no idea what it was originally used for, but it sure makes a beautiful and eye-catching Display piece.

Thanks, guys. I'm going to try to find a good place to hang it.

My basement would be a great place! ;)

Okay pennant guys, another Retro Clean experiment. I have two 1964 Phillies picture pennants, decided to try it out on my “lesser” condition one. This one was very yellowed and I first tried the diluted bleach and that didn’t quite work, left it blotchy. The picture was barely hanging on so it was easy to remove - keeping original tape intact - along with the year ribbon. After soaking for only a few hours it greatly improved. I wish I took a pic of the back ... there was the typical glue residue that you typically see, it even came through to the front which is not atypical. All gone.

I did notice that the solution in the tub had a very light red tint to it, from the spine and tassels. This left a very very faint red tint to the pennant. So while it was wet and drying, I sprayed a highly diluted bleach mix on it and then Febreze. Now it is pristine with no smell.

Reapplied the pic with clear Elmers glue stick on the original tape.

So... this was a success. Part of one tassel was a casualty, it was very weak to begin with and came off while removing.

Before and after pics below. I’ll add that the “before” doesn’t look so bad but that’s because it directly under a light, it was more toned than it appears.

Much improved, Greg!

Here's another obscure one to add to that list...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-Baltim...kAAOSwwCxbBfBN

Yes! I’ve seen that. Here again, I don’t think every team had these, but at least one non-MLB team did!

I have also been experimenting with holders for my oversized pennants. I bought a roll of 20 gauge clear vinyl from an online fabric store, about $30 including shipping. Cut it into sheets, it will make six holders. Metal yardstick and utility knife for straight cutting, these pennants all have their unique dimensions and angles so best to custom cut them. Clear tape on edges, bottom edge is double taped just to be sure pennant doesn’t stick. I think it works. Much better than what I had on the wall.

I thought about making a rigid holder with plexiglass, it would probably cost $30 for one, if you buy at Home Depot they will do the cuts for you. Then again I think you need to separate the edges so the pennant will fit.

I like it, Greg....even though I have no oversized pennants :( I’m unclear on the double tape at the bottom, though. Is the first layer “unsticky” side up, on the inside of the vinyl?:confused:

You have been quite busy during the pandemic!

Unsticky side up. And yes this is keeping me occupied, don’t like all this down time!

Gotta rescue this thread from the bottom of the page!

Here are two pennants from the early 50s with a similar design. Anyone know of any other teams that share it?

Observe they are both playing the same infield shift!

Saw this photo on Ebay the other day.

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I am pretty convinced that those are the only two teams who used that format. I love those two pennants, and have searched endlessly for similar examples of other teams. Since another team still hasn't turned up 30 years later, I have to believe that none exist.

So why just the Browns and Tigers? Seems so random, and quite odd. Just another example of countless mysteries in the world of pennant collecting. :confused:

Love the photo! The kid on the left looks like trouble. :p

Love that pennant! The HD rigid option seems like a bargain considering the value of the pennant.

Interesting ....

Very!

I’m not sure if any of you will find this interesting like I do, but here is an ASCO pennant from 1969 - or specifically, with the 1969 trademark. It’s cloth so I do believe it is actually from ‘69. The Uncle Sam stadium graphic is a carbon copy of the same graphic from the tasseled Trench stadium pennants of the 50s/60s. By this time both companies were using trademarks although I guess their artwork was not legally secure?

I’m still trying to complete this ASCO set in cloth and I’m intrigued by the speciality pennants ... this one, the Cub Power Cubs pennant, etc. ... maybe it’s the lockdown boredom, I dunno ....

Always loved that Yankees pennant and ironically don’t have it in my collection. You of all know that most of these you find have the extremely faded fabric. Nice pennant

Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle.....who’s the fourth guy?

Gehrig ...

I’ve yet to see a Giants pennant from this series in cloth. Felt, yes. Black print on orange. Here’s one currently on eBay. The felt versions that seem to be early 70s have the ASCO trademark, you can see it below the G. (Thanks for info KB.) The ‘69 cloth ASCO pennants are all multi colored, I would expect the same design but with a white baseball.

*Correction ... I don’t think the Twins have a multi-colored version, mine is white on red. The rest are.

Thanks. I personally prefer the cloth pennants provided they aren’t faded. And you’re right - they usually are. They have a nice feel to them. These pennants actually have a cloth spine, too!

I find it interesting as well. Quick question about the pennant...

Are the 4 circular photos glued on to the front side? Or are they attached from the back side, like the vast majority of photo pennants of the era?

Thanks, and nice example!

Hey Mark ... it’s just like a typical picture pennant, attached from the back and the headshots are seen through holes cut in the pennant. Manufactured by .. The Button House! Winona, MN. Mr. Domer had a lot of details regarding them and their relationship with ASCO. Also I’m guessing why you see a lot of the smaller Twins player pennants.

New acquisition ... is this the pennant equivalent of a four leaf clover? (I have two others like this, with three on the bottom.)

Here's another
 

Three-fingered

I notice several of these in my collection as well when I did my big sort a few weeks back. Was it intentional by the same rogue seamstress? Could quality control have been that lax?

Well I have a 1954 Giants scroll with three, and this Giants (and a Pirates) from probably the early 60s. So not sure. Would love to have seen how these were mass produced. They surely didn’t foresee the darn tassels falling out because they are attached too close to the edge!

I, obviously, believe you but it looks nothing like Gehrig, to me. :confused:

This one is like a double pawed cat...

I recently came across a Button House catalog from 1970. My suspicions have been confirmed: Button House had the exact same street address as ASCO during that time (1205 E. Sanborn St.); and, the catalog listed them as "a division of ASCO." So, for whatever reason, some ASCO sports pennants were branded under this Button House moniker; and others, "ASCO." Regardless of the name, they're all coming from the same place.

If you ask me both names are kinda silly.... No wonder they went with "WinCraft" the moment it became available.

Whoa very nice! Reminded me of a Phillies pitcher (Alfonseca?) who had six fingers and toes on each hand/foot...

That Reds pennant is from the cool early 50s series, really thick felt, correct?

Hey, pennant guys
 

Hey guys -

I always say I’m going to post more often, but It feels like my New Year’s resolution goals...I wanted to post another ‘before and after’ bleach cleaning. The first photo was taken in poor lighting with and old iPhone. The middle photo is the final product taken in better lighting with an new iPhone that seems to make everything brighter. Regardless, the pennant is much improved. The last photo shows what the back of the pennant where I didn’t apply bleach to.

I’ve made mistakes of spraying bleach too close to the spine in the past, so I applied the tape much further down the pennant. I’m still using the spray with water, spray with bleach, spray with water approach. Is that what you all do who attempt this? I let the bleach stay on the pennant for only a few minutes. I continue to stay away from red, but it looked like a Phillies pennant turned out pretty good recently.

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Hey Erik - it looks 100% better! I tape off the spine and then hang vertically to make sure the bleach stays away.

Great job Erik!

You beautifully revived a pennant that was ready for the junk heap. Looks good as new!

WOW Erik...Came out fantastic! Nice job. Like Rob, when I did this (haven't had a good candidate in a couple years), I hung the pennant vertically so the bleach would run away from the spine.

Interesting that you do bleach/water/bleach/water. Is it 100% bleach? I haven't tried that. I usually just use a mixture to whiten and then straight water to rinse at the end when I'm happy with the results.

Also, when I did it, I'd start by spraying the back to see how effectively it soaked through to whiten the front. Then I'd just spray the trouble areas of the front directly. That way you're avoiding spraying directly on to the graphics...at least somewhat. But I've noticed in the past, while some graphics run in varying degrees. Others, like this Browns (and another Browns I've done) had absolutely no ill effects from being sprayed. Must be something in the orange paint.

Yes...Thick felt. I usually avoid pennants with tip damage. I thought this was in mint condition when I bought it. It was listed at a price I felt it wouldn't last long at so I didn't have time to question the tip, which in retrospect is suspect was strategically cut off in the photo. When I received it I emailed the guy and he quickly offered a partial refund. So I kept it.

The pandemic has given me plenty of time to play with my pennants. Took inventory. Took pictures. Assembled albums. A little embarrassed to share my "Single A Ball" calibre baseball collection amongst you MLB All Star calibre collectors, but nonetheless....What else is there to do? Besides, there's a reason I'm called Fballguy. ;)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bjo3f2rMmVZqQWBM9

Nice, Rob! I see lots of cool stuff in there. For example, I've never seen this Oakland pennant before (I watch Oakland stuff, but don't buy very often). I'm curious to hear from you and others about how rare it is. I also really like this NY Giants pennant. I'm sure that there are gems from other teams as well.

Hey FB Rob - I believe Erik uses water, bleach, water. Not bleach x2.

Nice work, Erik!

Rob this is great stuff, thanks for posting!

Never saw that A’s pennant, the colors are bizarre. It does share the same exact font of the full team name, with the 1969 ASCO A’s pennant. I’ll snap a pic in a bit.

The Giants pennant comes from the “grommet” series whose pennants span from 1919 White Sox to the early 40s, with emphasis on the St. Louis teams. I am highly intrigued by these.

This looks like it might be...

Edit: Upon closer review...I guess not. No stadium reference and only three on defense. Tassels spine aren't right either. I saw the St. Louis font and thought it was a match.

Yeah but straight bleach is the question.

Pretty damn nice baseball collection for a football guy! :eek:

Ahhhh.

I used to use straight bleach until my ‘62 NL Champs disaster (although I think that one was doomed, no matter what).

Sorry for once again being unclear!

First, I do hang the pennant (spine-side up) so the bleach runs down away from the spine. I tape the spine with multiple layers of painters tape so nothing accidentally soaks through. I also extend the tape about 1/2 inch lower than the spine to be safe. I also try and make sure the tassels are taped.

I have two spray bottles. One straight water and the other 100% bleach. I first spray the pennant with water to get it wet. Second, I spray the pennant with 100% bleach directly on the front of the pennant. I spray the whole pennant directly. I’ve never sprayed the back of the pennant which is interesting. I let the bleach stay on the pennant for a few minutes. Lastly, I spray with water continuously until the bleach is gone.

I sometimes repeat a time or two. I’m always worried about letting the bleach sit too long as I’ve had a few pennants run or the white turn almost a yellowish color. So, I was curious if this is how others completed the process.

I know...I told him his second ‘main’ sport is better than my entire collection [emoji23]

I saw this .... it looks odd to me, like a knock off from the 70s. The tassels and pennant itself look stiff and creased, and the design is sloppy. BUT ... it could be a copy of an existing, older pennant so maybe such a Cardinals pennant from the sane era does exist!

*the Browns “infield” pennant does not reference stadium, but Tigers does.

Here’s that somewhat similar A’s pennant

Is that the 1969 cloth version for the A's?

This is felt, but I’m assuming it matches the cloth version which I “need”. The spine is cloth which is interesting. Whether they made these at the same time as cloth or shortly after, I don’t know. I have never seen the Pilots from this series in felt (but I have seen a cloth Brewers, Indians, Angels with a 1970 trademark).

My personal favorites of yours:

1. The 1960 ASG pennant
2. 1940 Tigers (stunning!)
3. 1945 Athletics, never saw it in gold
4. Colt 45s (it’s the only pennant from Ad Flag that I like, possibly the only Colts pennant with Colts ‘C’ in gun smoke.)
5. 1959 White Sox with roster in sock

I also like the Colts pennant and have attached a pic of Fballguy's example. I passed on one from a zero feedback buyer a few years and have regretted it ever since.

Also, what's the story behind this unusual White Sox pennant?

Thanks everyone...The 1940 Tigers is the gem of the collection. Amazing condition for 80 years old. It's probably my favorite.

The black Expos pennant is my most curious as it's in a style that I always assumed pre-dates the existence of the Expos.

Very similar to my process Erik. Main difference is I typically start bleaching from the back. The strength of my mixture depends on how dirty the pennant is.

A picture from 1965 to go with your Braves pennant.....

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Although I search daily It's been 2 years since a picked up a different version of the Pirates 1971 World Champions pennant . This is the eighth variation of that theme I have found. It is so pedestrian I was certain I already had it. I suppose that was because it draws on so many elements common to the other seven versions.

Also here is a fun fan photo featuring the 1971 White World Series Champion scroll pennant.

LOL...Classic!

I think there might be a dated Tigers pennant for every year from 1934 through 1951. Something unique to them. The artist always saves his best work for them. And there are like 10 different Briggs/Tiger Stadium versions!

That Expos pennant is super duper rare. Open mouth lefty hitter was surely retired by ‘69 ..... at least we thought so!

Great photo Mike....

But upon first glance, I thought the lady Bucs Fan was wearing a diaper. And now I can’t “unsee” it. :eek:

Do you think she did some shopping at Thrift Drugs just before the celebration?

I swear that Pirates pennant is levitating. If you look at the position her hands (and away from the diaper), it doesn't seem like the physics work.

I think it’s on a stick.

Come on guys...She's clearly an ex-majorette and holding the pennant stick like a baton. I'll bet she could really move back in the day. Way back before 1971. Way, way back.

I'm glad you enjoyed the photo as much as I. I have always called it the Three Rivers Madonna.

Rob,
Nice baseball collection.

The guy in the background of the Three Rivers Madonna photo seems to be enjoying the show [emoji2956]

Maybe she could dance the Charleston? Anything more recent than that, and I'm skeptical. :rolleyes:

I don’t collect college pennants but have to say, this is one awesome looking pennant ...

From ebay...is this legit? I've never seen a pennant like it.

Yes I think so .... this is a very very strange pennant though. It matches the Phillies 1950 WS pennant but this one, for whatever reason, feels like it was made from cotton balls. Very very frail. I’ve seen a few of these in person and they were all alike. Now maybe that means they are older repros from someone who tried to recreate the old felt? I kinda doubt it. But this graphic is only seen elsewhere on Phillies pennants ... the 1950 pennant below is a much thicker, sturdier (but still soft) felt.

As usual, Greg is “on it”! :D

Yankees example is beyond rough.

Need a little help on these two pennants
 

I've thought that an old school pennant might be nice for my apartment at CU and wanted opinions on these two pennants. I think both have nice patina and are definetly a throwback to a bygone era but was wondering exactly how old they are... 20s or 30s? Perhaps older?

Hey, pennant guys
 

Here is what mine looks like. The camera phone makes it appear a little more vibrant than it is. I’ve always felt it’s legit.


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Jake:

The second pennant appears to be the older of the two. It features a really thin, micro-spine that was more common in the 1910s and 20s. Additionally, it features what manufacturers dubbed "Applied Felt Lettering." Typically, these letters were hand cut and sewed, one by one, to the pennant. This took a lot of time. To reduce this production cost, some makers began gluing these letters to the felt with rubber cement. It appears that's what this maker did. I've seen vintage ads from the late 1910s and 20s offering this type of lettering, so I'd feel comfortable assessing this second pennant to be from that era.

The first one's a tougher call. The spine and dimensions appear more contemporary. This one was screen printed, so it could be as old as the 1910s; but, I can't rule out the the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, either. It appears newer than the other. If the length exceeds 30", then you have a better case that it's older. Most likely it's from closer to the 1940s.

This is a very nice example, Erik ... in fact I haven’t seen it in such nice condition.

I’ll add another thing, the date by the tip suggests Trench, the font is identical. But little else about the pennant matches. Could have been a local production just for the series.

Greg: Was that image of the Phillie runner sliding into home, with "Phillies" + horizontal bat beneath a graphic developed and used by the team; or was this developed by the pennant maker? I was always under the impression this was an official Phillies logo that the pennant maker was copying....

But, the fact that the same artwork was used for this Yankees pennant suggests otherwise, doesn't it?