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mickeymao34 01-30-2016 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jboosted92 (Post 1497744)
I see some where (For example)


Consignor: John Doe

Shill Bidder: Paul Smith

Winnnig: Paul Smith


how does that qualify as shill if he won it?

the purpose of the shill bid is to move the increment up a notch or two and generate a higher (real) bid. Sometimes the shill fails and the shiller or consignor wins they're own lot back. Or possibly the consignor feels item is simply going for too low and wins item back rather than lose out $$ wise.

jason.1969 01-30-2016 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jboosted92 (Post 1497744)
I see some where (For example)


Consignor: John Doe

Shill Bidder: Paul Smith

Winnnig: Paul Smith


how does that qualify as shill if he won it?

The plan backfires sometimes.

mickeymao34 01-30-2016 10:15 AM

This practice, i'm sure, is still happening and so common. I'm sure Houses believe this is just "part of the business".

Mark 01-30-2016 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jboosted92 (Post 1497744)
I see some where (For example)


Consignor: John Doe

Shill Bidder: Paul Smith

Winnnig: Paul Smith


how does that qualify as shill if he won it?

The FBI may have discovered that even though Smith bought the item, Doe went on to auction the same item at a later auction.

jason.1969 01-30-2016 10:19 AM

Wow, even pols are weighing in.

http://www.cnn.com/palin-blames-obam...mp-agrees.html

mickeymao34 01-30-2016 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Grob (Post 1497742)
Very interesting to see this, especially when we have a consigner listed dozens of times and the shill bidder was always the same person, and that shill bidder is not show as shilling on anyone else's lots. Draw your own conclusions. Just an observation.

Dave Grob

great observation

jason.1969 01-30-2016 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeymao34 (Post 1497755)
great observation

Crazy that the AH couldn't figure that out.

UnVme7 01-30-2016 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Grob (Post 1497742)
Very interesting to see this, especially when we have a consigner listed dozens of times and the shill bidder was always the same person, and that shill bidder is not show as shilling on anyone else's lots. Draw your own conclusions. Just an observation.

Dave Grob

My thoughts exactly, Dave. One can say the consignor had nothing to do with it, but if that was the case, why is the same shill name coming up for all of 1 consignor, which is exactly your point.

batsballsbases 01-30-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1497703)
the fact that there are a number of lawyers on the list is a bit disconcerting to me...but again...not too shocking.

sorry if this comment offended any of the "other" lawyers on the board...as I know there are a bunch.

you'd never see dentists doing this kinda shit!:p

Peter,
Dentists drill deeper to get to the root of the problem Lawyers just touch the surface trying to cover the surface with Fluff... ;);)

trobba 01-30-2016 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jboosted92 (Post 1497744)
I see some where (For example)


Consignor: John Doe

Shill Bidder: Paul Smith

Winnnig: Paul Smith


how does that qualify as shill if he won it?

When the AH says you don't have to pay for the lot if you win it.


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