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ooo-ribay 01-09-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 2054046)
The Dodgers offered up this stadium pennant, made by Trench, in the latter half of the 1960s; and it remained available for purchase through the team's souvenir catalogue into the early 1980s.

Although the coloring changed from four to two colors sometime in the 1970s, the design remain otherwise unchanged throughout its 15 year run. Surprisingly, it never featured an MLB mark like others by Trench or ASCO/WinCraft made during that era.

But did the material change over those 15-20 years?

FWIW - I just entered my 250th Giants pennant into the three pennant spreadsheets I maintain. Many are modern crap, but I've got 'em. :p

ooo-ribay 01-09-2021 10:42 AM

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I pick these up when I can get them cheap. I'd say I've paid an average of $20 apiece. Made by "Winning Streak" for the last 25 years or so. No graphics but very well made of thick wool felt. The big ones are 40-42" long; the smaller ones are 32." They get 2nd tier storage :p .Does anyone else pick these up? Probably not. :cool:

perezfan 01-09-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2053935)
Even “Barrel Guy” was kind of a team logo, no?

I meant this series from the 70s....

thetahat 01-09-2021 02:44 PM

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Saw this generic Dodgers pennant on eBay. Not too uncommon. This is the product of a company who has made many pennants, but has yet to be identified. What strikes me about this is the spine and tassels. Not felt and not cloth. Almost feels like canvas. Where have we seen this before? The company that made the 1958 LA/SF opening day pennant, the 1954-58 WS pennants (see ‘55 below), and the 1956, 1958 NFLC pennants. The pennants themselves are cloth. Furthermore, we have this series below that Baseball Rob posted awhile ago, observe the Phillies pennant. These all have the same type of spine. That being said, my guess is that this pic is from 1964-65 simply because of the Milwaukee Braves and Redlegs pennants hanging. 1968 seems a tick too modern. I know they changed the 3 to an 8 on the WS pennant. Do you have more background on this pic, Rob?

Anyway, this is a company with a distinct style. My guess is that it is from/near NYC. Ideas?

ooo-ribay 01-09-2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2053930)
Most teams had fresh logos and artistry through 1968 or so. Then in 1969, it became regulated, boring and corporate. By 1970, all artistry and creativity were gone.

There are some rare exceptions, such as that series with the Rangers (Batting Cowboy), Mariners (Mermaid), Brewers (Barrel Guy) and Padres (Friar Head). I suppose that group would be the “last hurrah” for originality.

Really sad... I wonder what became of the artists, and hope they landed on their feet (AdFlag guy not withstanding).

Oh, I thought you meant this "barrel guy." If I'm not mistaken they are using this logo these days. If it's not too much trouble, I'd love to see the Rangers, Padres, and Mariners pennants you're thinking of.

Greg, I do have backstory on that picture. Actually, my buddy does. I'll get with him and get back to you.

ooo-ribay 01-09-2021 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2054226)
Saw this generic Dodgers pennant on eBay. Not too uncommon. This is the product of a company who has made many pennants, but has yet to be identified. What strikes me about this is the spine and tassels. Not felt and not cloth. Almost feels like canvas. Where have we seen this before? The company that made the 1958 LA/SF opening day pennant, the 1954-58 WS pennants (see ‘55 below), and the 1956, 1958 NFLC pennants. The pennants themselves are cloth. Furthermore, we have this series below that Baseball Rob posted awhile ago, observe the Phillies pennant. These all have the same type of spine. That being said, my guess is that this pic is from 1964-65 simply because of the Milwaukee Braves and Redlegs pennants hanging. 1968 seems a tick too modern. I know they changed the 3 to an 8 on the WS pennant. Do you have more background on this pic, Rob?

Anyway, this is a company with a distinct style. My guess is that it is from/near NYC. Ideas?

The 1958 Opening Day pennants I have seen all have a "normal" spine...

thetahat 01-09-2021 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 2054247)
The 1958 Opening Day pennants I have seen all have a "normal" spine...

No that’s exactly what mean. By “not normal” I simply mean it is noticeably different than felt or cloth. Hard to describe in words.

Mark has the WS pennants, maybe he can better explain.

ooo-ribay 01-09-2021 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2054248)
No that’s exactly what mean. By “not normal” I simply mean it is noticeably different than felt or cloth. Hard to describe in words.

Mark has the WS pennants, maybe he can better explain.

I'm confused. Those 1958's look like felt to me. My local buddy has the autographed one. I'll have him bring it over.

thetahat 01-09-2021 05:25 PM

Well maybe it’s a different type of felt. But there’s a noticeable difference between it and what Trench used. Also they exclusively used white spines and they turned a uniform brown with age.

perezfan 01-09-2021 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 2054284)
Well maybe it’s a different type of felt. But there’s a noticeable difference between it and what Trench used. Also they exclusively used white spines and they turned a uniform brown with age.

Greg, I know what you mean about the strange material, but it's sure hard to describe in words. It's more of a visual/touch thing that differentiates these spines.

It's almost like a hybrid material with equal parts canvas, felt and cardboard. The white color typically would turn to tan or a dark cream color, and was prone to creasing/wrinkling.

Here's the spine to my 1955 WS pennant. Hopefully the photo picks up the composition of the spine material (which somehow stayed pretty white). I have a 1957 WS pennant on which the unusual spine material (and tassels) are much more prominent and darker toned. It's buried, but I'll try to dig it out.


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