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Posted By: <b>Jimcrandell</b><p>Nobody would think it was unusual if I drove 20 minutes to Parsippany and asked one of Dave's graders to look at a psa card I was thinking of buying from a dealer.<br /><br />Why is it so unusual to ask the same thing of Kevin--he may know more than an SGC grader--he may know less--not sure. I don't even care about the seal--he looks at it and says yes or no. Maybe this service will be just for me and the LTS collector who currently has Kevin look at his cards. If so--great--if others join in great for Kevin.
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Posted By: <b>Jimcrandell</b><p>Keith,<br /><br />Thats correct. I don't know--have never discussed price--you could ask your LTS friend who pays Kevin what he gives him.<br /><br />I am switching my buying for high end cards away from the auction houses and toward dealers with inventory.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>I guess I just can't understand why anyone would pay for Kevin's guarantee when the third party grading company guarantee's the card is authentic and unaltered for the cards' full value.<br /><br />The horse has been thoroughly beaten. I hope I'm wrong Kevin. At least you have one eager customer.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jim, let's say that you use Kevin's service on a PSA 8 Ty Cobb and Kevin rejects the card for evidence of trimming. What do you do with that knowledge? Let's say Jeff Lichtman asks your opinion of the card...do you tell him what you know about it? Do you stand by and watch the dealer sell the card to someone else? Are you not morally obligated to at least inform the hobby that this card exists in a graded holder?
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>(4th time might be a charm)<br /><br /><br />Jim,<br /><br />How many times have you been kicked off of a message board (CU and this LTS thing)?
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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I think we're talking about two different concepts here.<br /><br />The first is Jim getting a private opinion on a card from someone he trusts. There are many well-known collectors who do this. I see no inherent problem -- isn't Jim just as entitled as everyone else to use an additional set of eyes that are better trained than his at authenticating and detecting possible alterations and/or overgrades?<br /><br />The second is employing a company or individual to validate an already graded card. In this case, there may exist a burden of liability on the company/individual providing the service in those situations where a grading company's opinion is rejected in favor of someone else's "more qualified" opinion. This would be especially crucial in situations where the card was of considerable value. Again, as previously mentioned, this type of service would need to be backed with some type of financial guarantee.
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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Jim: <I>"Why is it so unusual to ask the same thing of Kevin--<B>he may know more than an SGC grader--he may know less</B>--not sure."</I><br /><br />With all due respect Jim....how can you trust your cards to a guy who might know less than an SGC grader?? You clearly admit you're not even sure how Kevin stacks up versus a professional, yet you're willing to trust him with high dollar purchases?? <br /><br />Basement experiments with bleaching and soaking does not make him an expert on anything...except maybe laundry. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br><br>Frank
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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />What is the moral obligation? If Kevin renders an opinion in conflict with an opinion of a professional third party grading company, does that make Kevin's opinion correct and the third party grading company's opinion wrong?<br /><br />I think we have to be careful annoiting a person omniscient who has no experience grading baseball cards professionally. I think the professional grading service has the advantage in seeing the card out of the holder whereas Kevins opinion would come from the outside looking in.<br /><br />If GAI and Mike Baker are endorsing Kevin 100% as Jim says, why don't they join forces to try and reinvigorate GAI?<br /><br />For Kevin to be successful he has to be affiliated with a grading company or start his own with a written gurantee and the financial means to backup his opinion.<br /><br />To simply state that he is comfortable or uncomfortable with a graded card being un-altered is not very potent. <br /><br />I think an independent operator would also have major liabilities trying to profit from deeming other grading companies cards altered in the holder.<br /><br />CB<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>bugontherug</b><p><<<Jim,<br /><br />How many times have you been kicked off of a message board (CU and this LTS thing)? >>>><br /><br />Let's see.......<br /><br />1) booted off PSA for continued dissing PSA, even when warned. Reinstated when given an award. Then transformed into PSA cheerleader.<br /><br />2) booted off LTS twice. (Oh well, maybe splitting hairs as he may have quit one of those times as he outran the arrows directed his way.)<br /><br />3) continues the trend on Net54. Lessons seemingly never learned.<br /><br /><br />Please note: story's such as 'bye-bye Brian', 'GAI/Mike Baker crossover club party'......oh well, you get the idea. <br /><br />Jim's resume in above matters is spectacular. No one in the hobby does it better than Jim.<br /><br />Take Care........Bug
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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p><<I'll be honest with you, I am at a complete loss how Jim can recommend a service that he has never actually used.>><br /><br />Is this true? If Jim has never had Kevin look at a single card, then he has no idea what Kevin can or cannot do. How in the world can he start a thread like this endorsing a service he knows nothing about? This is just another pathetic attempt by Jim to direct attention to himself again rather than a sincere endorsement. Congratulations Jim. You have succeeded in wasting everyone's time once again.
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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Has anyone here actually given a card to Kevin for inspection?<br /><br />The endorsement by someone who has never done so just rings hollow.<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Thanks for the answers jim. I can understand wanting someone to look over your cards- slabbed or not. However, I am not sure how many people would be willing to pay Kevin as I’m not sure what makes Kevin an ‘expert’ any more than grading companies or other ‘highly esteemed’ individuals in the hobby. I’m also a bit concerned that people would theoretically pay Kevin to ‘sign off’ on a card and if Kevin deems such a card to be ‘altered’, that the person would just not buy the card yet allow it to fall into the hands of someone else. When do we stop questioning a card’s authenticity? After bvg, psa, sgc, gai, and random ‘experts’ okay the cards?<br /><br />If people want to really clean up the hobby, shouldn’t the focus be on-<br /><br />a. getting bad cards OUT of circulation- out of holders, out of auctions, out of collections<br /><br />b. ensuring bad cards are NOT holdered in the future<br /><br />while I understand an individual not wanting bad cards in THEIR collection, if someone KNOWS a certain card is bad, wouldn’t it benefit the HOBBY to make that information known?<br /><br />Lastly, maybe someone can clue me in- what are kevin’s qualifications to examine cards? I can play around w/pressing corners, bleach, erasers, adding paper, etc., but I’m not so sure that makes me an ‘expert’.<br />
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Posted By: <b>Kevin Saucier</b><p>Well, I’ve been sitting back now for a couple days reading the insults mixed with a few compliments and my future being planned by those who don’t even know me. There have even been posts by those who have sent me cards to examine, called or sent emails for advice...for the fee of…nothing. This is something I have enjoyed doing for some time for hobby friends because they trust my opinion. Most of these are friends from the few years I spent on LTS, a place I really enjoyed. <br /><br />Seriously what I have I done? I came on to Net54 and made some educational posts on how to identify altered cards, a subject many feel I have something to offer the hobby. Much has been met with appreciation and kind comments mixed with a little criticism. I still get daily emails from collectors of all levels asking for opinions, all of which I try my best to answer. I don’t believe I’ve ever asked for anything in return and have never made a penn...not a cent.<br /><br />Not so long ago Jim (someone at the time I had never met) made the suggestion that he and others might want a service of someone with experience, other than a grading company, to verify cards were not altered. Sounded like a good idea so I ran with it...why not?<br /><br />In a day or so I plan to launch a very simple website that gathers all the articles and posts I have made on identifying altered cards and put them into a common place for those who wish to view it. I’m honored to have some great testimonials from some very respected names in the hobby on there. It’s a website, much like many of you have, in which you share the knowledge and passion of what you know best. Websites, which I enjoy going to so I can learn from others. <br /><br />The service I may offer in the future is mentioned but not available. It’s still in the planning stages. I can assure you that it is not a business venture, if anything it may pay for gas. I’m not starting a grading company, grading cards, challenging grades, trying to save the hobby or taking over the world. I have no idea what, if any, arrangements can or will be made by someone wanting cards examined. Although many here have speculated or assumed there is a plan. <br /><br />I think it is unfortunate that the perception is that Jim and I have joined together and spent a long time planning a way to force all collectors, dealers and auction houses to send cards my way. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Jim has a plan for his cards and has, perhaps, gone a little over the top to express his intentions. We barely know each other; we met at dinner about a month ago and have exchanged an email or two.<br /><br />Personally, I find it a bit sickening and disheartening that others are so quick to pass judgment and are outright vicious in attacking what they may or may not know about what I have to offer the hobby. For those that had well wishes and compliments...thank you!<br /><br />To answer some questions; It is true that examining a card in a slab much more difficult than raw. There are times when an opinion cannot be given based on the fact the entire card or enough of the card is not viewable. What can take a few minutes for a raw card can take as much as 15 minutes (or more) on one that is slabbed...even spent over 30 minutes on some cards, whatever it takes. It’s a gathering of objective findings used to make an opinion and reassure a card has not been altered. It also helps to know the provenance, if any. <br /><br />I have seen more than a few cards valued well over $5K that have absolutely positively been altered, one or more may have been used in some examples I have shown. It’s not my business to show a card, out a collector or collection. I don’t own the card(s). <br /><br />Also, I don’t know anything about the coin hobby or what they do.<br /><br /><br /><br />Kevin Saucier <br />
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />I don't think anyone here has argued against the fact you may be able to add value in the way you have in the past for your friends. IMO, the debate here is centered around this service "potentially" being a good business venture. You clearly stated it is NOT a business venture and I think you say that for some of the same reasons stated in the thread. To be a business venture there must be a good bit of steady volume. So thanks for ending that debate.<br /><br />But before you come here and try to slam people for giving strong opinions on the topic you might want to go back and read the thread again. Then remember this is a chat forum meant for debate. Jim put us in a position to give our opinion on this topic so we did. <br /><br />Sorry you may not like a lot of the opinions. Perhaps you should tell Jim you don't need this type of attention.<br /><br />Tom<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />I don't know. Is every collector morally obligated to list every card he thinks is trimmed. Also, Kevin is giving me his opinion on whether he is comfortable--and I would pay him for it. Even if Kevin says he thinks its trimmed--lets sya PSA or SGC thinks otherwise--doesn't mean it is or it isn't. I do see your point though.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />I am not avoiding your question. I have been kicked off message boards twice--once by Joe Orlando for being critical of PSA(we have patched things up and I am invited to PSA for a tw0-day collectors event) and once by Tom Papa for whathever Tom says I was kicked off for(obviously we have not patched things up). There have been no instances where I resigned because I was going to get kicked off.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Kevin,<br />IMO there are many on the board that respect what knowledge you've provided concerning card alterations. But I do think you have to take everything you've read here with a grain of salt. I would certainly think that you, yourself would equally find it "weird" how much Crandell has praised you and basically announced you as the card lord of all that is good and decent. <br /><br />Having Jim speak on your behalf, be it you asked him to or not...is probably not a good thing. As is pretty evident..Jim has a history that has followed him around of raising cane, causing arguements, getting kicked off boards, etc. While Jim is of course high up on a list with the collection he possess he certainly lacks in common sense at times and seems to enjoy getting into these board debacles. <br /><br />For all reasons of sanity Kevin, best bet for this endeavor would probably be to speak with Jim and ask him not to be your commercial voice on the subject. I think you'd be better off. Just my opinion of course.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />I see Kevin as more than "basement experiments with bleaching and soaking".<br />I think SGC has an excellent knowledge about cards and I think Kevin does--just because I am not sure who is better is no indication about Kevin. I just used SGC for example--I would say the same thing about PSA.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Charlie,<br /><br />You are misquoting me--I never said Mike was endorsing Kevin 100 percent--I have no idea--Kevin told me he had endorsements from Rob and Mike--thats all I know.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bug on the Rug--the 94 Donruss man--what happened to your laundrymat in Madison?
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Wesley,<br /><br />I like Kevin--he is a talented guy--I will use him when I can--if you think differently fine
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>It seems to me we should give Kevin a chance to do whatever it is he is going to do, and hope that Jim at some point will report back to us on the results if he starts sending cards to Kevin to inspect. I am skeptical for the reasons mentioned (that I think review inside a slab is very limited) but wish Kevin luck. And now, back to LTS vs. Jim Crandell, sorry for the interruption.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />Thanks for clearing things up--as you see people like Papa are trying to find a vehicle to attack me--because I want to use you to be a double check on my cards. I still think it was a good idea I came up with.<br /><br />Apparently many people feel threatened about you and express it by criticizing me--it is always ok to attack me as it is nothing new--just look at all the lies and misstatements on this post about me, who is endorsing you, what it means etc.<br /><br />Just think at who the attackers of you and I are.....and you will sit back and smile and realize you have nothing to worry about.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Call it what you want Peter. But, I think it's obvious that no matter how slow I read it ......or how many times I read it .....it just isn't the great business venture Jim says it is. There are a lot of people here that agree with me that aren't from LTS. It seems like you are one of them based on your comment above.<br /><br />But I too wish Kevin luck. I know he's a good guy. Unfortuantely, the Merlin of our industry has latched on to him. Kevin needs to shake him off.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>There you go again. You draw first blood and than scream "attack!!! attack!!!"<br /><br />What a coward you are.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Tom no question I have a great deal of skepticism not so much about Kevin in particular (although the burden of proof is on him to establish his credentials) but on the value of what I call ubergrading. That said, though, it seems irrelevant to me whether Jim was kicked off CU or LTS
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Does it Peter? It think it goes to the fact Jim starts a lot of crap of forums and has a track record of being thrown off them to bring peace. I certainly understood the relevance.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>I note several LTSers who never post on this forum jumping in to gleefully attack Jim. What is their point? Jim did not even start this thread, by the way. I guess we can disagree Tom on the relevance.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Agreed Peter.<br /><br />I would note I rarely post on this forum. That said, I feel compelled to address what Jim says about LTS. It doesn't matter if he started the thread or not. He chose to drag LTS into the conversation so he drug LTS members here. He can only blame himself and you must admit he brings it on himself.<br /><br />It's pretty simple. It you throw punches you should be able to take them. The attack rants are laughable.
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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />Good luck with the new endeavor. I still think you and Baker could form a formidable team at GAI or elsewhere.<br /><br />Best<br /><br />CB
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>For those of you who don't know--Tom started LTS to give me a place to post. He will admit it. As I had been kicked off CU he and others wanted to create a place where people could tell it like it is and I became one of the very first members. So those of you that like to run through my message board history should keep in mind that Tom and pretty much everyone who joined LTS backed me in the PSA disputes. Nearly all the quality posters on the Set Registry Message Board joined LTS.<br /><br />As LTS grew they let in all different kinds of people. Some of them just wanted to talk about cards and not issues--I am an issues guy--that got some angry. After a few message boards disputes Tom told me to send my suggestions to him and not just put them on the message boards. At the end I think i told him he should get rid of 3 members--against the advice of at least 1 and maybe more moderators he got rid of me instead. Shortly after he quit LTS and took a sabbatical.<br /><br />In the next year, a number of members sent me posts from the board where my name was mentioned-this caused another round of attacks on me for receiving the messages as LTS members are not supposed to send posts. After the attacks subsided, I reached an agreement with Al Crisafulli where I would stop receiving threads and in return he would police LTS re threads about me.<br /><br />Today I am friends with a lot of LTS members including Al who says so and a whole host of people I have known for some time. Obviously Tom is not included which is sad but you never know--<br /><br />Tom can and will correct this but I tried to make this factual.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />Its funny isn't it--Bug on the Rug for goodness sakes. Couldn't they have dragged in anyone better than that?<br /><br />All for good natured kidding and tongue-in-cheek humor
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Pretty funny twisting of the truth. As usual.<br /><br />I won't bore people with the facts as to why LTS was created, or our relationship unless they overwhelmingly request it. I'm committed to not damaging your reputation more than you make me. I do have a heart Jim. <br /><br />You should relax and do the same for the reputation of LTS or this will NEVER end.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Likewise Tom.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Charlie,<br /><br />I agree with you here....but one question--do you think that the GAI brand name is still viable after all their issues?
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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />GAI has done major damage to their remaining credibility in the hobby. And I am concerned about the lack of information they are deceminating. But, I am also partisan because I like Baker tremendously and strongly believe this hobby needs three viable grading companies.<br /><br />If GAI is to return they are going to need a niche. Kevin's niche might be it.<br /><br />CB
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Good point Charlie--agree--I like Baker as well and believe he is the best grader in the hobby--and Kevin has actually been able to show him and teach him a couple of things although I am sure Mike has been able to show Kevin a lot more.<br /><br />The Dream Team.
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Posted By: <b>JohnG</b><p>Jim<br /><br />clearly you ARE obsessed with LTS.<br /><br />why not ask to rejoin since you seemingly can't make a couple of posts without bringing them up.<br /><br />They must have cut you deep man.lol
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>JohnG,<br /><br />Another LTS guy??<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Kevin, I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your post. I value your opinion, and would gladly ask your opinion on a card. Its sad that your name is being used in such a manner. <br /><br />The Dav PR machine generates these types of dialogues regardless of the subject. Sadly, you are his current topic de jour. So was SGC at some point (what did they get out of it?). So was GAI at some point (what did they get out of it?). Each was used as leverage to get a registry HOF certificate or proper "respect" from JO -- its nice to know "friends" are useful. When you have used up your usefulness to him, he will move on. <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Brian is right--it is sad that I mentioned that your website would be ready and that I would send you cards.<br /><br />Its also sad that he can't get his facts right and misrepresents the truth.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />At this point instead of trying to get everyone here to see your way of thinking, why not just plan on sending Kevin any cards you come up with as candidates to purchase...and do it quietly?<br /><br />Why continue on this rampage publicly for Kevin? I don't think he needs your help...in fact possibly he's just too nice of a guy to come out and tell you to quit. <br /><br />If your purpose is to have your own cards you will potentially buy looked at by Kevin..then so be it. But you don't have to keep dragging this through the mud at the expense of Kevin's reputation.<br /><br />Dave<br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Good point Charlie--agree--I like Baker as well and believe he is the best grader in the hobby--and Kevin has actually been able to show him and teach him a couple of things although I am sure Mike has been able to show Kevin a lot more.<br /><br />The Dream Team.
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />Do you honestly think Kevin is happy about the attention you are bringing him?<br /><br />If Kevin had announced his website on his own, do you think he'd be getting the same negative response you have brought him?<br /><br />These are rhetorical questions as the answers are obvious.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />That was nice of you to say.<br /><br />He came to me and said he was approaching me, Rob and Mike Baker for endorsements to his sight. I said fine and he took a sentence or two I said about him. I said his site was up and thought it was a good business concept(since I thought of it--ha).<br /><br />This is just LTS bs and not worth the paper its printed on--Kevin's business will succeed or not on its own merits.....although they do say any publicity is good publicity.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />Read poast below.
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Posted By: <b>Keith Conforti</b><p>Jim, you did a lot more than just mention the launch of his website... go back read through your posts... you touted him as having "arrived" because Leon was giving threads about him extra attention... you've repeatedly advocated how he possibly succeed at a business venture.<br /><br />Don't backtrack now or try to change your story... you won't be helping Kevin out very much by doing so.<br /><br />Yeah, I'm and LTSer and a former mod, I won't deny it, but I didn't come here to make attacks, just to set the record straight regarding your description of a decent chat board that you are no longer a member of and agreed to cease and desist all public discussion of... so, in essence, by chatting up LTS here, you invited me.
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Any publicity is good publicity? With friends like Dav, who needs enemies. Kevin's first post about his website was a defensive one due to Dav's glorious PR. <br /><br />I think its sad. Kevin is a good guy with alot to offer. But anyone hear will think of him as Jim's peg boy; instead of realizing what he brings to the table.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Sadly,<br /><br />Brian turns out to be another LTS shill--they are pulling them out of the woodwork.
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>The black helicopter's are circling Jim.<br /><br />I have posted at 54 long before you started posting here. Who is the shill?<br /><br />At one point Dav, you had over 150 T206's in PSA 8 or better. And yet you had never even looked at their backs. How is that possible? <br /><br /><a href="http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=224703" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=224703</a><br /><br />You really are on the wrong board. <br /><br />Brian<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Keith Conforti</b><p>Jim, you don't get it do you? You pulled us out of the woodwork by breaking the rules of your agreement with Al. Don't talk about LTS. Period.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Brian Scantland,<br /><br />You conveneniently leave out the fact that Kevin asked me to endorse his capabilities. And please tell me how I used GAI or SGC. I am sure Mike/Steve and Dave Forman who I count among my good friends in the hobby will be interested to hear this.
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Lots of LTS members are members here. Jim's posts reek of sour grapes.
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><<You conveneniently leave out the fact that Kevin asked me to endorse his capabilities.>><br /><br /><br /><br />Kevin, are you happy with the publicity Dav has created for you? Do you want him to continue his fine work on your behalf?
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />It's funny but Kevin has also left that fact out of his posts. He actually seems to be distancing himself from you when he clears says "we barely know each other".<br /><br />The squirrels are running wild on N54.<br />
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I feel compelled to chime in here. Sorry to add to the clutter.<br /><br />I see nothing whatsoever wrong with a collector looking for a second opinion before making a purchase - whether it be from Kevin or anyone else. Sometimes in this hobby, opportunities present themselves to buy cards that a collector may or may not be familiar with. I certainly have a handful of people I consider experts, and I'm more than happy to look to them for guidance from time to time, and on the one or two sets where I have some knowledge, I'm more than happy to answer whatever questions get thrown my way. There's nothing earth-shattering about that.<br /><br />I don't think this thread was started to trash Kevin, it was started by Mike to provide some suggestions on how Kevin might enhance a business he's thinking of creating. Anyone who has weighed in on this issue has an opinion on Kevin's abilities, and that horse has been beaten to death.<br /><br />Unfortunately, though, Jim has decided to weigh in on Kevin's behalf, and in the process, to drag another message board into the discussion. At first I wasn't sure why Jim was doing this, because it did not help further his argument and probably reflected poorly on Kevin. It also got the thread off track in a hurry. But 200+ posts later, I think I understand that Jim enjoys the fact that he becomes embroiled in threads that encourage heated debate, regardless of the content of the debate. <br /><br />While I enjoy busy threads as much as the next guy, I'm usually just not that interested in all the drama. I get involved in it sometimes because we can't always help it, but I generally have tried to stay away.<br /><br />The problem here, and the reason I'm posting, is that Jim is continuously referring to another message board in his posts on 54, and I don't think it's appropriate for a number of reasons. First of all, because I think it's disrespectful to the Net54 community to flaunt another message board within this forum. Second of all, because I think it portrays that board - a community of which I am a member - in an unnecessarily negative light. It's just another chatboard, with its own purpose and its own community of loyal members - just like this one, of which I am also proud to be a member.<br /><br />But the third reasons I'm posting is because I am trying to understand why Jim - who agreed with me privately last night to stop dragging that other message board into his posts here - continues to discuss that board. For someone who has been a vocal opponent of hijacking threads on this board, my opinion is that every time he mentions the other board, he hijacks a thread. I don't get it.<br /><br />I also don't get why Jim, who has referred to the other board as "boring" and "funny" and a "secret society," along with several other negatives over the last few days, would have privately asked me - yesterday - if I could help to reinstate his membership there. I reached out to Jim privately, as a friend, and asked him to kindly stop using LTS as a way to create drama here. Despite the fact that I advised him I would not pursue reinstating his membership on LTS, he agreed to stop discussing LTS on this board.<br /><br />So I went to sleep.<br /><br />This morning when I arrived at the office, I was surprised to see Jim discussing LTS here again. Best I can tell, he has some degree of fixation on it, to the point that he is willing to risk friendships over something as silly as using it to polarize this board. Of course, by insulting it, he only encourages its members to come to its defense, much like loyal 54 members have come to the defense of this board within other forums.<br /><br />It's weird, and I can't figure it out. Jim is generally a nice guy who enjoys creating controversy, which is a personality trait that isn't exclusive to Jim by any means. I have come to Jim's defense multiple times, because I think in a lot of cases people pounce on him without reason. But in this case I think he's being deliberately insulting, he's deliberately creating ill will, and he's detracting from the topic in a negative way.<br /><br />I wish he would stop, but evidently he won't.<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Keith,<br /><br />I didn't know it was against the rules to mention your esteemed organization. I thought I agreed not to accept any threads your guys kept sending me. If you want to be so secretive that noone can even mention the letters lts in sequence fine--in fact I told Al that if that was the deal I made I would live up to it.. I turned out it wasn't but nonetheless I told him that based on our friendship and what he has done for me if it bothered him that much to poke fun at LTS then I would stop.<br /><br />Even though I know you trashed me in a thread on lts your comments have been fair and I hold no grudge.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>What's that Al? Jim asked you just yesterday to help him get reinstated on LTS?<br /><br />There you have it folks. Jealousy, as usual. Who's the lunatic now?<br /><br />Jim - You'll never get on LTS. Period.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />Yup--they are scared of you.<br /><br />Coming out of the woodwork so to speak.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Don't they say the third time's a charm? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Leon and N54 members,<br /><br />I do apologize to you all for having this all take place on your forum. Thanks for being tolerant and hosting this event. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />The reason I don't post here very often is because I know that just seeing "GoSoxBoSox" in a post would someday cause Jim to start on LTS. I wanted to spare all of you of the mess but it happened one too many times anyway.<br /><br />The funny part is that my collection actually fits into the same era as most of the collectors here. Unlike Jim's.<br /><br />Sorry gang,<br /><br />Tom<br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Yikes Al,<br /><br />Did I mention those three letters in a row again--only because the three letter word people who never post are coming over and following instructions. If you call off the wolves and they stop attacking then why would I mention them.<br /><br /><br />Obviously I know I am not rejoining the three letter word--it was said a couple of times to Al by me to see where his loyalties were. But your buddy Papa wiill jump all over this--whoops he already did.<br /><br />Yes I did use words like "funny" and "secret society". Boring was just a comment I have heard from a bunch of the three letter people. You and Tom are overly sensitive.<br /><br />To repeat what I said last night as I commitment to you--I will stop mentioning the three letter word in any context. But if certain of your guys are going to attack me I think it is fair to identify them as part of the three letter word attack army.<br /><br />Wow--this has been fun--lets do another 300 posts.<br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Yeah--right Tom. I have an extensive pre-war collection--good try.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- you've probably posted a hundred times on this thread. Aren't you worn out by now?
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Posted By: <b>Keith Conforti</b><p>I didn't know it was against the rules to mention your esteemed organization. I thought I agreed not to accept any threads your guys kept sending me. If you want to be so secretive that noone can even mention the letters lts in sequence fine--in fact I told Al that if that was the deal I made I would live up to it.. I turned out it wasn't but nonetheless I told him that based on our friendship and what he has done for me if it bothered him that much to poke fun at LTS then I would stop.<br /><br />Even though I know you trashed me in a thread on lts your comments have been fair and I hold no grudge.<br /><br />Where to begin here Jim... first off, you don't know anything about what I may or may not have posted on another board... stop blowing smoke.<br /><br />Next.. every time you mention LTS you are snidely, jealously poking fun at it, so by your own definition of post content you ARE breaking the agreement you made with Al because you constantly poke fun at it and try to shine a negative light on it... just play it safe and don't write about it because obviously you can't help yourself when it comes to taking jabs.<br /><br />I really think its rich that you asked back in after all this! Tell us, why do you want to come back when you only have negative feelings and comments about LTS?
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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p><I>"I also don't get why Jim, who has referred to the other board as "boring" and "funny" and a "secret society," along with several other negatives over the last few days, would have privately asked me - yesterday - <B>if I could help to reinstate his membership there."</B>?</I><br /><br />Wow, after all his negative comments on LTS, why would he want to go back there??<br /><br /><br><br>Frank
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Extensive pre-war collection? Hah. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I'm smiling again. Glad you taught me how ysterday.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Barry, I would not bet against Jim's endurance. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>If anything, Jim is tenacious.
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Posted By: <b>JohnG</b><p>Priceless.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />Can or did Kevin fix the crack in your 1968 3D Clemente in PSA 9. Just wondering because it is obviously in the wrong holder.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />No--I still have a lot of energy--trouble is there are more of them all the time. <br /><br />Tom,<br /><br />Over 1000 cards in psa 8 is not extensive in your mind? <br /><br />Frank,<br /><br />Its an impossibility--I was testing Al--he knows that. <br /><br />Keith,<br /><br />No--feel pretty certain that one of the threads you guys sent to me had a blast from you--I will check at some point and apologize if I am wrong. Just said nI told Al that although it was not in agreement I would not mention those three magic letters again. Lets see-if I can produce a document where you are trashing me on the three letter word will you give $100 to a charity of my choice?
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Kevin,<br /><br />Tom is asking you if you alter cards for potential clients--he is such a classy guy.<br /><br />I will let you respond to that
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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Tom,<br />Not really knowing you or many of these other people you just made a statement that Kevin "fixed" a card for a client. In all due respect you should back that up with some real facts because a statement like that can ruin a persons reputation. And wouldnt that be exactly why a person would want to send a card to him ,to see a problem like that? I really think you need to clarify your statement, if not you are going to look like a fool. (IMO)<br />
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Read what I asked. I asked if Kevin fixed the crack. I did not say he fixed it.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>As usual the point I was making is being deflected. <br /><br />That is, the card shouldn't be in a PSA 9 holder. Jim's goal is to get cards in the right holder so I think he should start with his own collection by getting the Clemente re-numbered appropriately. That's all.
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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Sorry Tom,<br />Thats not how Im reading it." You asked Can or did Kevin fix the crack " Im not trying to "deflect" anything from you but you made a statement and unless you back that up with a fact you maybe opening yourself up to a large problem.
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Posted By: <b>Keith Conforti</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />I wouldn't want to give you the satisfaction of posting private board content on a public forum... but, post your favorite charity and I will happily send off a $100 donation.
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Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>I assume PSA would buy back a 9 3-D Clemente with a crack in it.
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Posted By: <b>GoSoxBoSox</b><p>Sorry Al. You're just reading it wrong than. Can't be any more clear than that.
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