Originally Posted by tjisonline (Post 2439551)

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to help spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about the vast majority of vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why many of us have cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards (Post 2439565)

Snowman can you provide the cert # or the additional images of the 1953 Jackie Robinson when it was in a PSA 2.5 holder? Thanks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZgNocb...ng&name=medium

Originally Posted by steve b (Post 2439521)

i doubt a simple soaking in water would remove a water stain like that.

Originally Posted by tjisonline (Post 2439551)

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to help spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about the vast majority of vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why many of us have cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

Originally Posted by steve B (Post 2439604)

I agree on cleaned cards, and regular stains. It happens all the time, and sometimes isn't a bad thing.

That sort of water stain though usually has had the paper damp enough that the sizing has slightly broken down letting the fibers expand. It's possible soaking and pressing would fix that issue, but the discoloration is also usually very deep into the cardboard. I have doubts that just water would fix that sort of stain.

I may do some experimenting, and see if I can cause then fix that sort of stain.

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439627)

What could you possibly need that for? To try to "out" who I bought it from? LOL. GFY

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2439351)

I am not following. So Travis bought it already cleaned?

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 2439654)

Guessing it has some wrinkles that wouldn't come out/or be seen in the scan.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards (Post 2439653)

Travis could shed more light on it, but he doesn’t seem willing to. I think he is just too busy working on the mock up sticker to place on his slab. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like he can complete the sticker until after he finishes loading the altered card database on his computer… It going on 48 hours and it’s still loading…

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439678)

The reason I don't give you more information is because I think you're a s***bag of a human who runs around trying to get anyone canceled who doesn't see things the same way as you. I also think you're dishonest with your postings. You intentionally select images to create a false narrative and even doctor images to make cards appear as though something has been done to them which hasn't actually been done. I also think you're disingenuous in all of your conversations, pretending as though you didn't say things which you've clearly implied, etc. All the while, trying to hide behind your anonymous keyboard. I think you're about as close to scum of the earth as they come.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards (Post 2439653)

From what I can tell on this thread is that the card was bought by someone as a PSA 3. They cracked and cleaned it to a PSA 2.5. Travis cracked it, did nothing to it and it came back a PSA 3 again.

Travis could shed more light on it, but he doesn’t seem willing to. I think he is just too busy working on the mock up sticker to place on his slab. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like he can complete the sticker until after he finishes loading the altered card database on his computer… It going on 48 hours and it’s still loading…

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439682)

Travis will never admit to being wrong. He still owes me $10K. I wasn't willing to bet a testicle.

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439689)

I'd still place that wager today. That's almost certainly George Wright, IMO.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439692)

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439692)

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439697)

I'm sorry for taking this thread completely sideways, but there is no one on this forum that thinks that photo is George Wright.

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439700)

That's not the brag you think it is.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439704)

When can I expect payment?

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439678)

The reason I don't give you more information is because I think you're a s***bag of a human who runs around trying to get anyone canceled who doesn't see things the same way as you. I also think you're dishonest with your postings. You intentionally select images to create a false narrative and even doctor images to make cards appear as though something has been done to them which hasn't actually been done. I also think you're disingenuous in all of your conversations, pretending as though you didn't say things which you've clearly implied, etc. All the while, trying to hide behind your anonymous keyboard. I think you're about as close to scum of the earth as they come.

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439706)

It's in the mail. Tiffany signed it, so I'm sure it's good

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439710)

Snowman still owes me $10K.

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards (Post 2439707)

It seems obvious that this collaboration isn’t going to work out. It’s unfortunate that it has resorted to name calling and misinformation. I wish you nothing but the best for yourself and your collection. This will be my last response. Take care.


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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2439715)

Bummer, I was excited to see this sticker. I guess that was just yet another lie.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439719)

He thought he was a genius.

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2439709)

I'm basically staying out of this but I am curious as to why Tiffany Cards doesn't have to have their name on their posts.

Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2439729)

I think the rule only applies if the poster is commenting on another person or a business.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2439737)

105

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2439741)

You should consider retaking that test.

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2439733)

I hope you were saying that tongue in cheek since that is basically every post in this thread.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2439737)

105

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439710)

Snowman still owes me $10K.

Originally Posted by JeremyW (Post 2439756)

When you lose. You pay.

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2439715)

Bummer, I was excited to see this sticker. I guess that was just yet another lie.

Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2440520)

Apologies for diverting from the main discussion here about stickers and card doctoring.

Just a quick note to report that I have received and signed the agreement. It does include a non disparagement and non-disclosure clause. Hopefully my previous comments haven’t already violated those terms, although with any luck, the agreement addresses only prospective activities from the date of signing.

It also provides that payment is to be made within 45 days, which seems to line up with most AH timelines these days. So a little patience will be required. But it’s definitely nice to have come this far, and appreciate PSA’s willingness to resolve the situation.