just a coupla McGowans
 

I love early postcards of HOFers. I think these two early postcards of HOF umpire Bill McGowan would qualify as "rare". The first is likely one of a kind. I know of another example of the second, but still "rare" nonetheless.

Both were sent to presumed girlfriend Irene Seveier. The first is postmarked in 1915. The second is addressed to the same Irene, although McGowan got married to another woman in 1918, so I assume the second was sent before 1918, but who knows? The text on the back might suggest that he still had some feelings for Irene if issued after 1918.

I love that both of these were personally sent by Bill McGowan. He had very nice penmanship. Do these qualify as autographed items since both were signed "Bill" at the end???

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Thanks, Scott, I would have liked to read the article, but the print is minuscule as presented by the link. My question about the rarity of these is rhetorical, I've always been amazed at how many vintage cards and memorabilia seem to have survived as one of a kind or one of very few--one of the things making the hobby so interesting. And you didn't say whether you have any idea what the "privilege of opening and examining" on the flap is supposed to mean?

A few more

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Hi Hank,

As far as the "privilege of opening and examining" statement on the label, I have seen that terminology on other late 1800's early 1900's advertisements and products.

I've always taken it as a "legalese" term for once you've paid the cost of the item, its yours to open and examine/consume the contents.... but don't open
it unless you've paid for it. That may be oversimplifying it as I'm not a lawyer but I think that is what the term is generally for.

Thank you Phil!

Great stuff Kenny and all,
Speaking of cards cut from candy boxes here's a pretty scarce Wagner with a famous portrait

That's the fun of it, having something unique or nearly so. I've been collecting oddball cards and premiums for decades for just that reason: so much more of a back story than a mainstream card. With that in mind, onto one of my favorite items:

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I bought a collection of cards and ephemera at an antique fair. The dealer filled a showcase with stuff and wanted a set price for it, which I paid. But I had nothing to carry it in. He gave me the box that he got the collection in. It was really dirty and had all kinds of padding and crap in it, like old newspaper scraps, but beggars cannot be choosers.

One of my maxims when I buy a collection is to always take apart the packaging just in case something is hiding in there. So I started through the packing and junk at the box bottom and out tumbled three snap shots of Indians from 1948 or 1949, including this Satchel Paige. Finding something like that totally unexpected is just heaven for a collector-picker like me.

That's a great find. But if that's really a snapshot, it must have been someone with greater access than an average fan to have taken the photo on the field during warm-ups.

j=k=very scarce
 

Love the Wagner, these are 1 of 1s with Matty & Needham being much more common - 1 of 2s...

Very nice, Val! Any idea what the total pop of these cards and boxes is thought to be? Double digits, I would guess.

J=K
 

Great J=Ks guys!!...Jerry

It was the team photographer. the other two that came with it were used for team issued PCs.

J=K's
 

Craig and Aaron,

Great J=Ks!

I especially love the type II's where the players head was incorporated into part of the box tab.

Here are my two J=K examples... sadly "Rough" Bill Carrigan was decapitated somewhere along the way.

Hank, I have no idea as to what the total pop of the 1910 Dockman All Star Base-Ball candy boxes is.

As to the total pop of individual graded cards, PSA appears to have graded only 1 card from this set: https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball...hand-cut/33252.

SGC's pop report is more difficult to navigate than PSA's, IMHO. I am unable to find the two SGC-graded cards that Scott showed in Post #211 of this thread anywhere in SGC's pop report. And, I can only find this one graded example in SGC's pop report: https://www.gosgc.com/pop-report/res...20Gum/Baseball Edited to add that this link apparently doesn't work, even though I copied the link from the SGC pop report page I was looking at. This one card I found in the SGC pop report is George Gibson.

Many real-photo, black & white sets were issued by different companies in 1916 using the same two sets of card, commonly referred to as the M101-4 and M101-5 sets. The cards from several of these sets are very scarce/rare. The following are my type cards, and while each is a 1-of-1 per the PSA & SGC pop reports, it would not surprise me if there are raw examples of some of these in collections.

Bob Feller Popsicle PC
 

Recently picked up what I believe to be my rarest Bob Feller collectible, a c1947 PC of Bob Feller, "-now pitching for Popsicle"

Its been 10yrs since I saw the last one of these up for sale.

1907 Trade Card
 

A more recent pick up. When I saw it, I was like, ok I have to have it...

Boy, Feller and Rocky Marciano are the two biggest advertising whores I've ever seen. I don't think there was an endorsement deal too small for either of them.

Meanwhile, my contribution for the day:

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Hi Val,

Thanks for posting that info and for sharing your example from the set.

I haven't really paid much attention to SGC's new website since they got rid of their registry.

Sounds like they've lost data from their old pop reports as I had my whole set graded by SGC back at the 2005 national. In the old pop report, besides my set, I only ever remember them having graded maybe 2-3 other cards in total from the set.

I own some Star Player Candy cards and some Curtis Ireland Candy cards that have less than five on the pop reports. But for something different, I will post these cards.

1) A trimmed N175-2 (the rarer, larger size) Gypsy Queen card
2) Two cabinet cards of Yale Murphy. The first is from Pach Brothers when he was a senior at Yale. The second is from the Newboy series.

Looks like your Keefe and my Connor are Gypsy Queen brothers.

Brian

Very cool piece

Brian,

Cool to see another partial Gypsy Queen.

I got my Keefe in a trade with Ted Koch when he lived in Indianapolis. At that time, he had six of the nine cards in the set and all of them had the advertising cut off.

Your Conner might have been one that Mr. Koch owned.

David

Card size photo, autographed by Heinie Groh.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...89323f14fc.jpg

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Todeen,

What is the Underwood trademark for? I think they were photographers for some different card issues so could this Groh photo be one used for an actual card?

David

It certainly looks like they came from one source. I received mine in a group vintage lot about 12-15 years ago, and I believe that it was identified as an Old Judge card. Because of the trimming, it is approximately the same size as an Old Judge, so I thought about it as such until about 4-5 years ago a Net54 member identified it as a Gypsy Queen.

Brian

I have the same exact Heinie Groh card, minus the autograph. I believe someone speculated that these may have been made up for Groh in the 1960's to give away/autograph.

Brian

I don't know a lot, but I really like it. The back is stamped numbered 913. However, I know that these exist for other players. I saw the same deckle edge with a collage style pic for another player. And most likely I saw it from a member on this site. So I've always had the impression this was a small set, TCMA style.

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This may be the rarest card I own - although I consider it more a photo - Frank Selee HOF manager. His single image is not on any card other than the rare Allegheny Card Co. set - so I am very happy to have this for my HOF collection. And FYI it's a Horner photo taken when the Cubs came to Boston in May of 1902. Great thread!

Stunning Peter :eek:

Another Diamond Dust

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Always looking for others, BTW.

My card is also stamped '913' on the back.

Brian

Ty Cobb Factory Overprint
 

My 1st post! :)


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The 913 was stamped by whomever developed the film for the pictures, most old pics from the 1930's-40's have a stamped number on the back that corresponds with the negative used.

Nice card and nice first post

Brian,

If your Gypsy Queen is about the size of an Old Judge card then it is the regular version. My Gypsy Queen is a trimmed larger version.

If that is the case then our cards didn't come from the same person. :(

David

Great card and nice first post. I'm looking forward to your encore!

David, you are correct. It appears the sizing on mine makes it the regular, Type 1 version. Pretty impressive that you have a Hall of Famer in the larger version.

Brian

Brian,

Thanks.

Back in the early 1990's, I was in college and on the weekends, I would travel around to auctions, antique stores, flea markets, antique shows and something called The Collectors Caravan which would come to Indianapolis.

Being a poor college student, I didn't have much money to buy the good things I found so I would tell Ted Koch about them. Either he would have me buy them for him (and be reimbursed) or he would go and look at the stuff for himself.

After a really good find for him, I was wanting to trade some of my cards for one of his (trimmed) Large Gypsy Queen commons just to have something cool in my collection. As a thank you for me finding him some good things, he said instead of just a common, he would trade me the Keefe instead.

Later, after he moved to Florida, I didn't know it but he sold the other five large GQ's in a Lew Lipset auction. He also sold the "good find" which was a small stack of Curtis Ireland candy cards (including a Ty Cobb that I think Leon just sold this past Summer) and some American Caramel cards.

If I had known he was going to sell the Curtis Ireland cards, I would have tried to buy them before they went to auction...... UGH.

Oh well,

David

Heckuva card.

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And welcome to the board

Rare Old Puts!
 

WOW!!! What beautiful cards in this thread!!!!!!............Really impressed with those ALL STAR BASE-BALL PACKAGES from Dockman & Sons belonging to Scott and Val!

Here are a couple of rare Old Put E98s

E98 Old Put
 

Cool Old Puts Tim...Jerry

This thread is freakin amazing. Here are a couple one-of's I picked up this year.

Second that Tim! (beautiful cards, ...)
I couldn't resist, after seeing the Old Puts; Here is a signed Fredericks CDV of "Old Put's"
(Gen. Isreal Putman, Rev. War hero) great grandson; in the era of when the Connecticut Tobacco Company was making the Old Put 5c. cigar. I love a good back story; still in progress.

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Ben

What's the rarest card you own?
 

Not exclusively cards, but, here goes...

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Peckinpaugh properly spelled in this pose. Sorry, but it is not an E121:

More Old Puts.
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Long live Louis
 

rare if you are a tribe/guardians fan I guess... still one of my favorites

Old Puts
 

Thanks Jerry and Ben on the Old Puts!

Ben, The CDV of Israel Putnam's grandson is really cool!!!!! Israel was a French and Indian War and Revolutionary War Veteran....Story goes is that he earned the "OLD PUT" nickname around the age of 24 when everybody in his town was having their animals terrorized by a big, bad wolf. His friends lowered him down into the den of the wolf by his feet tied to a rope, and he didn't have any fear and killed the wolf all by himself with his hands and buckshot. He "Held Put" as they say, and they nicknamed him Israel "Old Put".

Not necessarily baseball history, but American History!

Phil, especially love the BLUE Kling "Old Put" that you own!!!! I will keep my eye out for those 2 needed E98s!
Happy New Year everybody!!!!! Almost at least!

This kind of goes along with the pictures in posts 262 and 263.

What's the rarest card you own?
 

won this recently at REA. Bid on it having no idea there were two separate versions and the Type II is much more rare than Type I. Turns out I was bidding on the Type II.
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Stretching it :):

wags
 

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2 of 3 known to exist

Ruth
 

PeckinPaugh PeckinBaugh
 

Brian,
Here is an E121 PeckinBaugh, incorrectly spelled.....

Brian, educate me/others on this. Is there a correctly spelled E121 Peckinpaugh in the set that is much rarer?? I am trying to figure out what your earlier post was getting at on his spelling:confused:

Thanks, Tim

Here is the scan!!!
 

E121 Peckinbaugh

Lajoie rarity, a T5 Pinkerton.

Wow, excellent Ruth Lections with no hole punches. That's a beauty!



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Badass!
 

Sweet friggen’ Lections Ruth, DK! Show us more! Show us Mr Blue e92!

Warren Spahn RC (1947), uncut sheet.

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So many great cards in this thread.

:eek:

1860s game in action CDV
 

Nice card. It is NOT hand cut and doesn't appear to be altered....though there could be an unseen alteration. Idiot TPGs.....effing idiots.

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Leon's post prompted me to post this one (formerly of the Luckey collection). It was sold twice by Heritage so there is a better scan there (it is best enjoyed with a magnifying glass or as a scalable image).

In a similar vein
 

One half of a stereoview scene

Love it. Here's one where you can kind of make out a boy pitching to a woman.

Love that W503 Ruth!! Nice 1947 Spahn! Haven’t seen that!

1/1?
 

This one is rare.

My collection is all over the place, so I probably have a lot of pieces that are pretty rare - although in my defense, I don't really think in those terms. Maybe the fact that I don't own any graded cards keeps me from thinking in terms of pop numbers or registries.

Anyway, one item I have that may be one of a kind comes from the criminally under-collected M113/M114 set, the Baseball Magazine premiums. Fellow board member Doug Goodman and I seem to be the only collectors of this set who are making a run for a complete set - and I do have one piece he acknowledges he's never owned or even seen.

I attended the third National, the one held in Parsippany NJ and organized by Lew Lipset. That was back in 1983. While there, I ran across a dealer who had a number of M113's (the oversized ones that are usually found trimmed), all of which had been glued to poster board and trimmed close to the picture borders. I think I paid about $20 for a group of six, which included several very nice Hall of Famers (McGraw, Jennings, and the magnificent "Walter Johnson's Pitching Arm). Also included were a few commons, including Vic Saier.

For those of you who don't closely follow Dead Ball Era baseball, Vic Saier was a slightly above-average first baseman with the Cubs in the years leading up to the First World War. His career was essentially over by the time he was twenty-five, but he had a couple of good years that would have explained his inclusion in the M113 set in 1913.

Except that no checklist, no review of the set, no compilation of the issue, has EVER referenced or uncovered the issuance of a Vic Saier photo in the M113 set.

Except for the one that I have.:D

It's probably not all THAT valuable, given how few people collect this set seriously. But I do take a certain pride in having an item that nobody else has (apparently).

Alan Kleinberger

Such a great early action shot!

s74 cobbs
 

s74 white series

A few 1922 cards that appear to be 1-of-1s per the pop reports:

Thanks everyone for the compliments!

To be fair to PSA, the card actually is accurately graded. The Authentic/Altered grade is because the card is recolored. For some reason, someone tried to color in the crease with a pen. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, as Leon said, the W503s are not hand cut, but factory cut, so definitely an error by PSA on that point.

Fantastic silks Ron. What are the backs on the other four Cobbs?

If it is recolored then the grade is accurate not the hand cut designation on the flip. PSA and SGC both put "hand cut" on every W575-1 and W503. That is not accurate. How many strips of W575-1, or W503, has anyone seen? There might be a few but that isn't how they were distributed, unlike many of the W5xx series of strips.

As shown before, twenty W575-1 cards came in this pack I acquired. All were almost perfectly cut and the same size. They are not hand cut.

Hi Bob,
tried loading the back picture but file to big so i cropped the Helmar since it is my rarest back. The other 4 are 2 Oldmill and 2 Turkey Red non boarder.

Br
Ron

Hey Ron,

So both your Turkey Red - Cobbs were without the border. Have you ever seen a Turkey Red - Cobb with the border then? I don't think I ever have, and just wondered if one even exists. I know the SGC pop reports show they've graded 12 Turkey Red backed white Cobb silks in total, but it doesn't specify if they are with or without the borders. And don't you have a Red Sun backed Cobb as well? Always figured you to be the person to complete the entire back run for white silks of Cobb one day.

I know there aren't a whole lot of Helmar and Red Sun backed white silks of Cobb out there. I always figured it may be possible to have two complete Cobb back runs, as I'm only aware of two Helmar backed Cobbs in existence. Your raw one one, and then the single graded one on SGC's pop reports. And then I'm only aware of two Red Sun backed Cobbs, both of which show up on SGC's pop reports. Let me know what you think. Thanks.