I am following the thread Bobby, but don't have anything else to add. I said before in my second follow-up post that I don't mind any negativity directed at me. That's what makes America such a great place, we can all have an opinion, and aren't forced to agree with each other. I've enjoyed reading this thread and seeing what everyone has to say.

"yeah , when will we hear anything from Orlando regarding the Wagner card !"

I don't think Joe was with PSA when this occurred...was he? Although either way I'm sure he knows what happened.

Someone asked to see a scan of the PSA 7. The right and Left corners on top of the card is where the damage occurred.

Edit to add: Its tough to see the left corner damage in this scan, but that's the worse off of the two corners.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images...ps-aaron-psa-7

If the president of a company wants to give a good customer a break on a price why is that a problem? Sounds like good business to me. Now, if Joe O said I can help you get a better grade, that's a whole different story (and I am sure Joe wouldn't do that). But as far as a discount on pricing, or a free submission, that doesn't matter to me at all. Almost Anyone in business has given a discount to a good customer.

Matt, you've got some spectacular cards in your collection.

+1, beautiful cards man.

Leon - I would agree on the price break. That said, do you think the president of PSA should be having his buddies send submissions to his attention? Also, if PSA will crack and review shouldn't this service be open to all submitters?

I'm not even a PSA hater - I'm actively putting together a mid grade hockey HOF registry set and buying graded cards like a mad man - but IMO there is too much money involved for the process to be so loose. Seems mickey mouse to me. I sell a financial product and we are completely isolated from our credit group, I'd suggest PSA isolate Joe from the grading process.

I don't believe fraud is occurring but if I was a stakeholder at PSA it would be pretty clear in a process audit that fraud, at some point, is likely to occur.

The sentiment amongst those in the PSA inner circle seems to be..."I don't care if there's fraud going on...as long as I'm a beneficiary of it!"

If the President of a grading company wants a customer to send a card to his attention I don't have a problem with that. I am not sure it's the best use of his time but that is not for me to say. It's a favor and an exception. So what? As long as when I send my card in, it gets fair and impartial treatment, and I get the service I paid for, I don't care. Unless there is fraud going on, as a business person, I just don't have an issue with it. I am far from an apologist and think some things could be different, but overall, I think PSA does a good job. I think the hobby is much better with them than without them.

I should add that I don't think the President of a grading company should have a say in a grade, so I do agree there needs to be some separation in that respect.

I agree PSA is overall good for the hobby but the President being involved in the grading process of submitter's he knows is a huge conflict of interest when you consider the amount of money involved and the small differences between grades.

Personally I'm not impacted as I don't chase the super high end. As someone that builds process for sales organizations I can tell you it is a huge liability for PSA.

If Joe did not know early on, once Mastro went down he certainly knew it then.
"Hey PSA this card has been trimmed but if you want to build a company that nobody now knows about slab it and you will be famous." - - Who could have possibly said that??

One could surmise that is the sentiment of a significant portion of the hobby and not just as it relates to PSA.

One of the most amazing things about TPG is that the pricing structure that has been the outgrowth of it actually serves to encourage the behavior that it was originally developed to "protect" us against.

He's there now and that's all that matters to me and other collectors I know. I don't have a vested interest in PSA or the registry or anything, but am concerned that no one has said anything regarding the findings from the recent court case ( at least not that I have seen). It speaks to the rep of the company, and the reputation of thousands of "graded" high dollar cards and collectibles in collections around the world. The only way a numerical grade even matters is because people trust that company and the people that are grading cards there.

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

I believe David Hall already is on record as having said -- not too long ago -- that he personally examined the card and that the edges were fine. That may have been in the context of responding to a claim that had been made in "The Card" attributed to Bill Hughes, or it may have been after reports of Mastro's confession had surfaced, but I can't imagine what else they can say at this point.

Peter,

I recall that David Hall made that type of statement at the 2012 Registry Luncheon. Here's a news article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...not-in-private

Dan right that is what I was recalling.

Hall, according to our source, told his audience that they should question Mastro’s motives; Mastro might have agreed to say the card is trimmed as part of a deal with prosecutors. “He was suggesting you can’t believe Mastro, because now he will do anything to save himself,” our spy says.

Hall, according to our mole, also said Bill Hughes, the member of the grading team who told us he knew the card had been trimmed, has denied making those comments. Hall, our spy says, claims Hughes says it is an “out and out lie” that he knew the card had been trimmed.

The admission to trimming the Wagner was the least of Mastro's problems if you read the indictment against him. Hall is full of shit here.

Not saying he isn't, just saying that PSA has not kept silent entirely on the matter.

Well, that's true. The info about Mastro trimming the Wagner was addressed by PSA in that private luncheon. Was that the meeting in which the fancy stationary was passed out?

Not sure, but it may have been in the next room to the committee being organized to self-police the hobby?

Huge +1, then again his close pal Kevin has set his line open for calls. When your good buddy who understands your business model says expect calls from my board peeps you make the time. :)

I was there - it was in Baltimore last year. Hall started off the luncheon with a slide showing The Card and talking about the PSA guarantee.

I believe the Fogel Hobby Police was formed two years prior. :)

You know what John, why don't you get a life? Oh, I know, here come the past comments, here comes the past threads, here comes the past emails, and your pathetic cartoons, and all of your other bullshit. You are a master of that. By the way, Isn't that a little psycho?....Why dont you get some balls and take this off the forum and contact me? By the way, if you think Joe is sweating you, one word, PLEASE.....

All in this same thread...

Directed towards John...

Directed towards Peter...

Directed towards me...

Kevin, what is your fascination with male genitalia?

I guess you guys mean so much to me. What can I say?

I wonder what cartoon john is thinking of pertaining me and Joe Orlando? I know the wheels have got to be turning....

Kevin as I have said many times no need to contact or talk to you off the forum. I find all of your cursing, machismo and big talk of being a huge hobby player very amusing to read. However not interesting enough to spend too much time on beyond the occasional giggle or oh brother thought as I read your posts.

Besides I’m sure you have much to do this evening besides talking with me. Between Trick or Treating with your close buddy Joe Orlando to marking down/bumping those severely under graded amazing cards of yours on the BST. Perhaps you can even squeeze in some eBay listings and do some computer screen grading of other folks over graded cards….heck the night’s still young. I’ll leave you too your night have a great one.

It may involve one set or possibly two.....:D:D

I'll be sure and tell Joe you said that....I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it...

I'm sure he can't wait for your call. :D

Classic
 

John, classic stuff...I'm bored serving candy to the kiddies, this is just what I needed !!

Adam, be sure to keep an eye out for Joe and Kevin they will be in their best buddies costumes.:)

Got a link for a newb?

I find it puzzling how Mr. Orlando engages in a pattern of instantly banning loyal customers who make legitimate complaints about PSA's service yet would not ban, at least for 9 months, a major dealer of PSA cards who admitted under oath that he used Joe Orlando's identity on-line without Joe's consent to harass and scare another party into believing they were going to be sued by PSA. Perhaps even more disturbing is that even after supposedly banning this dealer, the dealer publicly continued to run a business of selling newly graded PSA cards after being banned from PSA for two more years.