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That's an interesting one.
The extra ink isn't from overinking, but it is from a dry plate. The areas on the plate that aren't supposed to print retain water which rejects the oil based ink. If it's a really dry day, or if the water to moisten the plate isn't adjusted correctly some of the small areas can dry out making them retain ink. (If it's really bad the larger areas can dry out too. ) Steve B |
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George Gibson. Picked this up a few days ago. Thought about this thread and the scratch tracking.
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Re: Plate scratches
I didn't see any Kleinows when I scrolled through the thread. Curious that the mark appears to end at the diagonal lines under the word "subjects". Might this mean that the card was in the far right column (as you're viewing the backs) of the sheet?
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I already had this Wilhelm scratch documented but there is another one listed
on ebay and I noticed they both have a yellow circle on his hip above the W after checking scans of 200+ Wilhelm's I only found one more with this yellow circle but there was no back scan (the second one in the cardtarget link). http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-1909-11...item35f00ed1d7 http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...submit=Display |
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With the evidence we have gathered so far we know there are 4-5 different
PD 150 sheets that have "plate scratches" on them, two of the back sheets had two different sets of fronts printed on them the remaining 2-3 only had one set of fronts printed with their back plates. Mordecai Brown (Cubs On Shirt) was on one of the sheets that had two different fronts, there are three different M. Brown scratches and there was one Johnny Kling scratch that matched one of the Brown scratches. I put together a list of what I call "unconfirmed" scratches which included the two missing Kling scratches that should match M. Brown. After three years of searching I found one of the Kling's that matches one of the Brown scratches, it even has the same squiggle mark. |
Excellent work Pat, you've made some great progress on this project.
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Pat has gone far far beyond what I'd ever imagined was possible. Truly amazing.
To make it more interesting......I finally saw a card that really looks like one of the scratched plates was either reworked or wasn't resurfaced all that well before having the P350 backs laid down. And that at least two groups of fronts were printed with this reworked plate. Charles http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=19015 Delehanty portrait http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=19013 It appears to be the same scratch as one on Powell in the P150 series. Steve B |
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I didn't want to hijack Mike (bocabirdmans) thread on the BST. He has a
Wilhelm for sale with a plate scratch that shows how consistent not only the scratches on the backs are but also how consistent the fronts can be. Here's the example I have with the same plate scratch as Mikes, when you look at the front of mine you would think the dots coming from his nose and mouth area are stains but if you look at the one Mike has for sale it has the same exact marks along with identical defects in the top right border. |
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From the BST. Pretty cool.
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I know Kleinow batting is already on here but here's mine courtesy of Mike !
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Does this qualify as a scratch, or is it some other kind of mark?
I hope it shows up in the scan--two fine, parallel lines running from top to bottom, about a third of the way in-- I'm pretty sure it's the same blue ink that's composes the Piedmont back. |
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Really cool thread that I wish I had seen much sooner and posted on.
I guess I've tried to avoid T206 threads since selling my near set of 518 a few years back so as to not get seduced by the monster yet again. I went back to the images of my set and found that I have two examples that I can share. Frank "Wildfire" Schulte (Batting) - The plate line runs through the "i" in series down through the "n" in Piedmont http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4yuenoax.jpg http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/...psxb1gqt1l.jpg Jimmy Williams - The plate line runs through the "P" in Piedmont down through to the left of the factory designation http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/...psp7m9efxu.jpg http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7loeq0gp.jpg |
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Thanks for posting those Scott. Schulte is one of the subjects that has a three
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For anyone who's interested Here's an album of all the plate scratches I have
documented so far. There are some changes and quite a few additions I need to make with the sheets, they haven't been updated in quite awhile. If you choose the "original" option they are the largest scans for most of the images. A handful of the scratches aren't true plate scratches but I put them in because they could be informative. http://imageevent.com/patrickr/t206platescratches And Here's an album with the scratches highlighted. http://imageevent.com/patrickr/highl...platescratches |
Great work Pat! I just looked at a couple that I have been meaning to post, but they are already represented.
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Pat, thank you for posting the link so I can check whether or not I have found something new. I believe I have two new additions (posted here) and a few other repeats. I will email better scans of all of them to you and post the new guys here for the record.
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A new McGraw Scratch. (upper right corner).
This new McGraw fits under this previously documented McGraw with two scratches (middle and bottom left). The new McGraw fits in the blank space under McGraw 1 on this sheet. http://imageevent.com/patrickr/t206p...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9 |
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Hi Bryan
My green Cobb has a different "plate scratch" on it's PIEDMONT 150 back......
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Beauty Ted.
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scratch indicating they were likely in the same sheet position on different sheets. Here's the possible sheet with two subjects with the same scratch for each position. http://imageevent.com/patrickr/t206p...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9 |
No doubt that Cobb and Tinker were positioned on different sheets in the exact same spot. Nice post.
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Two Name Cards With Plate Scratches?
I've followed this thread and kept track of various clues that could help put these sheets together. Pat has speculated (and I agree) that there were different press runs during the Piedmont 150 phase. To the best of my knowledge, none of the two-namer cards have plate scratches, but there are known two-namer subjects that have plate scratches.
Following is the list of Piedmont 150 two-namers that are known, but to the best of my knowledge, none of them have plate scratches. I think I have a few of these images/cards at home, but can anyone else provide backs of any of these cards? Those that are red bold have images below (12/20 images; none have plate scratch): Beaumont - Seymour Bender (port.) - Delehanty (Wash.) [there are two of these] Bergen (bat) - Dooin Brown, M (port.) - Magee (port.) Bradley (port.) - Bender (port.) Devlin - Schulte (front view) Hinchman, B. - Stovall (port.) Jennings (port.) - Jordan (port.) Johnson (port.) - Schlei (catching) Konetchy - Jennings (port.) Killian (pitching) - Chance (red port.) Lindaman - Bresnahan (port.) Lundgren (Cubs) - Doolin Lundgren (Cubs) - Ball (New York) Manning (batting) - Flick Pastorius - Lake (NY, throw) Powell (horizontal) - O'Leary (port.) [there are two of these] Shipke - Griffith Spade - Cicotte Walsh - Seymour (batting) |
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I don't see scratches on these:
Bender-Delehanty (mine, one of two known) Bergen-Dooin (not mine) Killian-Chance (mine) |
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M. Brown (Portrait) - Magee http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1333758562http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1333758577 Powell - O'Leary http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image437.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image438.jpg Walsh - Seymour http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1414722508http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1414722513 Shipke - Griffith http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1419044753 Lundgren - Ball http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1426128664 |
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Erick, I haven't seen any two-name cards with plate scratches either.
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In short, they don't both exist. The correct subjects are Pastorius-Lake. Updating lists above. Here's the Pastorius-Lake from the Favorite 2015 Pick-Ups thread: https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/467/19...1c910f03_b.jpg |
Young (bh) 6
Hi Pat. I have a copy of what you term Young (bh) 6. Looks to me like it fits over your Young (bh) 1. Have you just not updated all of your mock-ups or do you have reason to believe that they do not line up?
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something here. The sheet that has the Young (bare hand) on it has been the hardest to try and figure out. The sheet that is in my imageevent with young on it was originally two different partial sheets and I did have Young 1 and 6 connected vertically but it was pointed out that the two sheets looked like they went together and I thought they might, but in putting them together Young 1 and 6 had to be separated. I haven't worked on this sheet much recently but I think it may actually be two different sheets as I originally had them. I think I found the final piece of the puzzle for one of the sheets but I have to wait to confirm it. If it fits it should give the final number of Horizontal subjects on this sheet (and I think at least all of the PD 150 layouts used when the damage occurred on all of the plate scratch sheets). Based on the press sizes available at the time they were printed I think it should give us the vertical number also. |
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I recently found this unconfirmed Waddell scratch that I was almost certain should exist based on the Waddell (port) same sheet position relationship with Schulte (front view). There were four different Schulte scratches and two Waddell (port) scratches. Both Waddell scratches were exact matches with two of the Schulte scratches indicating they were in the same sheet position on two different sheets, therefore I was pretty sure the two other Schulte scratches would eventually be found on a Waddell (port) PD 150.
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These might be repeats, there are now too many posts to go through to check.
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Repeats are fine, especially with nice pics like those. :)
Pat really is doing an amazing job with this. Especially extending it to matching up a flaw from the front, which really nails down those two being side by side. The other thing about multiple scans is that eventually it might be possible to narrow down one group as being done after another group depending on how much of the scratch shows. Less might indicate wear to the plate, or a light resurfacing after wear. (A deep scratch on a stone might survive a light resurfacing, and there's a couple scans I have that I think show the scratches surviving into the 350 series. ) Steve B |
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This Brown (Port) is a new scratch and is a match with Burch (Batting).
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Excellent! Looking forward to this next sheet advancing.....very interesting.
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I love this thread. Thanks Pat (and everyone who has contributed)!
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OK Pat, got some more for ya. Let me know if one of these is a new piece!
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I'm famous! That's my Neal Ball up on Ebay right now, didn't think to post it.
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I do have all of those but thank you for posting them. There are five different Neal Ball scratches and two of them have similar but different scratches. The Ball in your post is one of them (This one on the right). Attachment 248840Attachment 248841 |
Scott, I hope that you aren't upset that I posted a picture of one of your Balls. :D
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Hi Bryan,
There a still a lot of scratches that I'm searching for but here are a few.... I'm looking for a Crawford for this sheet. Attachment 248845 Attachment 248846 I'm also looking for the matches to these scratches on the A-B sheet. The matches to these three (Conroy, Gibson, And Hinchman) should come from the SC factory 649 subjects. Attachment 248847 Attachment 248848 Attachment 248849 And the match to O'Leary should be a non-649 subject. Attachment 248850 |
From Willowgrove, who sent me an auction link.
Reulbach with the scratch up near the top. Not great scans as they're from a lot and the original scan isn't all that big, but the important bit shows. Steve B http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=21689 http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=21688 |
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Earlier in this thread a couple of board members posted up scans of two Hannifans (Piedmont 350) with lines on the backs.
I just noticed Frank B. posted this Demmitt on the BST with matching lines. Below are one of the Hannifans & Frank's Demmitt. |
The plate scratches seem to be taking on a life of their own!!
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I found this new Kling scratch.
Attachment 269846 Attachment 269847 This was a probable scratch based on a Mordecai Brown with the same scratch. Attachment 269848 Attachment 269849 There were two different existing matching scratches for Brown and Kling so it was likely that this Kling existed. Attachment 269850 Attachment 269852 Attachment 269853 Attachment 269854 Attachment 269855 For some reason there are very few scratches of certain subjects on this sheet and kling is one of them. This is the first Kling with this scratch I have seen and I've only seen one or two of the other two Kling scratches but I have several Brown's in my collection and I've seen quite a few others that have come up for sale. Attachment 269856 Attachment 269857 |
Nice find Pat and thank you for putting out this information!
I have a Kling PD 150 as well. When I get a minute, I'll take a look and see if mine has a scratch. I may have already looked for you earlier in this thread, but I'll check again. Jantz |
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This card has probably been posted given the bold scratch, but just in case.
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I picked up this Clarke (Portrait) off ebay from a board member. This is the
first Clarke (Portrait) with a scratch and it's an exact match with the scratch found on Flick. Attachment 280627Attachment 280628 Attachment 280629Attachment 280630 Attachment 280631 Attachment 280632 |
this tops the charts of t206 research. Great stuff
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I backed off looking when I traded scans with Pat. I'd been hunting through scans on ebay and sometimes auction sites, and had a decent batch saved. Pat had about three times as many and it took me a while to realize he also had the actual cards. It finally sunk in when I realized all his scans were the same size.
I'm happy to have gotten the ball rolling, but Pat has done nearly all the heavy lifting on this one. Steve B |
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I'm still collecting plate scratch cards and scans but I haven't worked on or updated the sheets in a while but I will post the updated sheets when I do. So far there are 104 different subjects and 252 different plate scratches. Here is a list of the subjects with the number of different plate scratches found on each one. Abbaticchio - 3 Ames - 3 Ball - 5 Bender - 1 Bergen - 1 Birmingham - 1 Bransfield - 3 Bresnahan - 1 Brown, G. - 1 Brown, M. (Cubs) - 3 Brown, M. (Port) - 1 Camnitz - 4 Chance - 1 Chase (Pink Port) - 1 Chase (White Cap) - 2 Cicotte - 5 Clarke, F. (Bat) - 1 Clarke, F. (Port) - 1 Clarke, J.J. - 2 Cobb (Bat On) - 4 Cobb (Port) - 2 Conroy - 5 Covaleski - 5 Crandall - 6 Crawford - 4 Criger - 2 Criss - 4 Dahlen - 1 Davis, G. - 2 Davis, H. - 2 Donlin (Fielding) - 4 Donlin (Seated) - 2 Donohue - 5 Dooin - 2 Doyle - 2 Durham - 6 Elberfeld - 2 Evers (Cubs Blue Sky) - 4 Ferris - 2 Flick - 1 Ganley - 2 Goode - 1 Hahn - 2 Herzog - 3 Hinchman - 2 Isbell - 2 Jacklitsch - 4 Johnson - 3 Jordan - 1 Joss - 3 Karger - 2 Keeler (Bat) - 2 Keeler (Port) - 1 Killian - 1 Kleinow - 5 Kling - 3 Konetchy - 5 Lake - 1 Leibhardt - 2 Lindaman - 3 Manning - 1 Mathewson (Port) - 1 Mathewson (White Cap) - 3 McGraw (Finger In Air) - 3 McGraw (Port) - 3 McIntyre - 1 Mullin - 3 Murphy - 3 Nicholls - 4 Niles - 5 Oldring - 3 O'Leary - 2 Overall - 1 Pastorius - 1 Pattee - 1 Pelty - 1 Plank - 1 Powell - 3 Powers - 2 Reulbach - 1 Schaefer - 1 Schulte - 4 Seymour - 5 Shaw - 2 Shipke - 5 Smith - 2 Stahl - 2 Stone - 2 Stovall - 2 Sullivan - 1 Tannehill - 1 Tenney - 1 Tinker (Hands On Knees) - 1 Turner - 1 Waddell (Port) - 2 Waddell (Throwing) - 3 Wallace - 3 Walsh - 1 Weimer - 2 Wilhelm - 2 Williams - 4 Willis - 3 Young (Bare Hand) - 6 Young (Port) - 1 Crandall, Durham and Young (Bare Hand) have the most different scratches with six. Attachment 280705 Attachment 280706 Attachment 280707Attachment 280708 Attachment 280709 The majority of the plate scratches have several examples of the same scratch. Here are the ones I have of Sullivan and I have seen approximately 10 others. Attachment 280710 |
Murphy Plate Scratch?
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I have been following along on the plate scratch thread as I find that project intriguing. I primarily collect Danny Murphy, doing back runs for any of his issues that have multiple combinations. I just picked up a MC throwing pose that has his name top and bottom. I noticed on the back it appears to have a plate scratch and this drew me to the card even more. It is piedmont 150. I was hoping long you could confirm this as an actual plate scratch. Pic are attached. Thanks, Ron |
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Thanks for posting your Murphy double name. It's definitely a plate scratch. Here's another Murphy with the same scratch. Yours shows more of the scratch because of the higher cut on the top but they're the same scratch. Attachment 281630Attachment 281631 And here's the Murphy scratch that was above the one you have. Attachment 281632Attachment 281633 Attachment 281634 |
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Almost three years ago Steve pointed out in this thread that the upside down back of White matched up with a Doyle back. At the time I searched and couldn't find a Doyle or Stone (Doyle and Stone share the same position on a plate scratch sheet) that had a print flaw that is on the smaller portion of the second back on the upside down White. This Doyle that sold on ebay recently has that mark. Attachment 319281Attachment 319282 Attachment 319283 Attachment 319284 So far Doc White hasn't been found with a plate scratch but if one is eventually found it should allow us to figure out the exact size of this plate scratch sheet based off the upside down White. If the link works it should be a scan of that sheet that can be enlarged. https://photos.imageevent.com/patric...ts/C-D%201.jpg |
That's great work again Pat. Exciting to see pieces continue to fall into place.
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Was at a card show yesterday and picked up a P150 that has a back scratch. I’ll get it scanned and posted in the next few days. In the meantime, the blog post below has my video where I show it. Hopefully it’s a new discovery!
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Well dang! Ah well, it's going to be tough to find new ones. Thanks for the note!
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This is currently on ebay (not mine). I am sure you are aware of it, but I figured it cant hurt to pass this on as part of the plate scratch project.
The picture is poor (again, its on ebay) but the scratch runs from above the A in "Ball" down to the right (through the "m" in Piedmont) and leaves the card between the bottom right corner and the "VA" |
The reason they appear only on the 150 cards is because Knapp and Pancoast were finally granted a patent in Feb. 1910 that finally fixed a major defect in the lithographic printing presses at ALC.
The blue lines on the cards are called gear streaks. They occur due to uneven pressure on the rubber rollers of the printing press. The T206 cards were printed using a "web" (meaning paper roll) offset lithography press. This was new technology at the time, replacing the old sheet fed presses. Allowing for greater production numbers. Because they were printed on an offset press, the cards never came in contact with the metal printing plate at all. The image was transferred to the card via rubber roller. https://image.ibb.co/eTV4VJ/litho1aa_1.gif (In this simplified diagram, the ink gets transferred from the printing plate, to a rubber "blanket" roller, and then to the card.) https://image.ibb.co/kvEj9o/CMYK.jpg (CMYK printing for T-206. First the black border and name. Then yellow, cyan and magenta. Then the back in blue.) The problem at the time was that the rubber rollers were made of pure rubber (instead of a harder, more durable synthetic material), which didn’t hold up well to high production numbers and tended malform, snagging the paper and changing thickness easily, causing uneven tension in the press, which would then lead to the paper moving out of position in a diagonal direction, shown below: https://image.ibb.co/hnDi28/beforeafter.jpg Basically a paper jam. One that would move in a circular path as it went around and around (based on what the printing machine probably looked like – a big circle). As the rubber would swell up slightly due to the pressue, it would make contact with the inked plate, causing the streak on the paper (and also scratching and damaging the plate). In order to combat this, Knapp and Pancoast devised a fix by inserting a middle section of the web feed (highlighted in yellow above) that would control the tension and keep the paper pressure even most of the time. At least, that’s what it looks like based on the illustration and the explanation in the patent application. Not sure exactly how the mechanism worked, but it had something to due with keeping the tension balanced with the fabric (I believe this was the term for the “blanket”, and I’m not sure if they’re referring to the rubber roller or a blanket wedged between the paper and the roller.) |
That's interesting.
Here's the patent, which was assigned to ALC. https://patents.google.com/patent/US...p+and+Pancoast The "fabric" mentioned in the patent is not the Blanket, which was the covering on one of the main press rollers or anything wedged in between, but that does refer to the web itself. Even if there was some sort of creasing damage to the blanket, that wouldn't produce solid lines of color. In fact it would generally produce the exact opposite, white unprinted lines. (Generally, as there's a possibility of some marks I've seen coming from a wrinkle but I can't say for sure that's what caused them. ) A sideways slip of the web would only produce wrinkles in one direction, along the web, and these scratches do exist in both directions, with a few cards showing an intersection. There is some solid evidence that Some T206s were printed using a flatbed lithography press that printed from stones. Have you found anything solid that indicates a multi color web press? It's possible, and I've seen a few things that make me think that a two color press may have been used for some of the production, but not much indication that it would have been a web press. I can elaborate, but I'll probably have to draw some sketches, and it might be more appropriate in it's own thread. What do you think Guys? Get into it here or in it's own thread? |
I'd love to see this have its own thread.
Doesn't really seem possible logically (imo) that the Print Scratches could be "gear streaks". The scratches sometimes stretch the length of the sheet diagonally, and they make abrupt changes of direction. Definitely interested to hear more about the gear streaks, but unless I'm not fully understanding the term, I don't think that's what we are looking at here. |
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I guess it's possible to also do offset lithography with a stone plate cylinder. Doing research on this a while back, I came to the conclusion that the half-tone patterns on the T206 faces were simply "Ben-Day Dots" and that it was likely easier to produce plates from metal using acid etching instead of stone. Given the large number of player subjects and cards produced, I think this is likely the case. I think the early 19th century color litho cards were done on flat stone. They have a distinct look and feel. Knapp was known for his designs of multi-color rotary presses. It would've been a very odd business decision if ALC printed T206 cards using flat stones and old hand-presses. |
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A helix of ink around a cylinder is created - like a spinning barber shop pole. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...er-pole-01.gif If the stripes were ink, they would produce diagonal lines on a piece of paper. https://render.fineartamerica.com/im...a-jasiczak.jpg |
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just interested in the idea and would like to understand it better. Here are the two main reasons why I don't think we are looking at "gear streaks"
1. The lines are definitely not "straight". They follow a general direction but are not a straight line. 2. The Plate Scratches follow the exact same pattern every time. For two of the Plate Scratch patterns, there are two different sheets with the exact same pattern on the back, but a completely different set of fronts. The backs allow us to re-create what the sheet looks like, which Pat has done. If it was just a random malfunction of the press, I can't imagine that the pattern would be exactly the same every time. |
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1. They're straight, but sometimes shaky. I've seen most of the photos posted on this thread and the shaky lines could possibly be due to vibration. They're definitely straight lines more often than not. 2. Do you mean that the lines appear on the backs only and not on the front? I think this is because the last stop (or first) on the press was the printing plate for the back design. |
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