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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Nowhere is Eden if you spend half the year indoors so you don't freeze off your cojones. Try La Jolla, Laguna Beach or Santa Barbara. Malibu doesn't suck either.

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>Boxing!<br /><br />I spent some time in So-Cal. What the hell is this soy milk? This tofu? Are these women made of plastic? I think the mayor was Dolph Lundgren!<br /><br />I do miss Coronado Beach though! <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />The east is for me! I simply didn't understand my surroundings.<br /><br />DJ

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Posted By: <b>Douglas D</b><p>I'd like to point out, as a resident of Santa Barbara, California, that it an incredible place to be. And, it's a hotbed of sports collecting. : ) <br /><br />Douglas

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p><font color="red">La Jolla, Laguna Beach or Santa Barbara. Malibu doesn't suck either.</font> <br /><br /><font color="blue">What about Rancho Santa Fe? I figure there will be a house for sale there soon if Randy "Duke" Cunningham gets his due.</font> <br /><br /><font color="red">What the hell is this soy milk?</font> <br /><br /><font color="blue">It's a white hued tofu based beverage</font><br /><br /><font color="red">This tofu?</font> <br /><br /><font color="blue">It's seemingly taseteless soy based protein sold in blocks that are soft, firm, very firm and textured This stuff is purchased by the women of dow chemical (aka plastic women).</font><br /><br /><font color="red">Are these women made of plastic?</font> <br /><br /><font color="blue">Oh, but the plastic is so strategically placed.</font><br /><br /><font color="red">I think the mayor was Dolph Lundgren!</font><br /><br /><font color="blue">Not in Southern California - maybe the middle or northern end. As a state we wouldn't settle for less than the greatest movie actors as governor (Reagan and Arnold - BOTH!!!!)</font><br /><br /><font color="red">I do miss Coronado Beach though!</font> <br /><br /><font color="blue">You can't touch a house in Coronado for under $750K or so. You could settle for a condo and be a wanna-be Coronadan. The Coronado beach is a good place to park your rear for an afternoon but the real fun is in PB, OB and even IB (not to mention many other sandy strips of land). You could sell an awful nice collection of cards and put a down payment on a home if you really wanted to get out of collecting cardboard.</font><br /><br /> <br />Sorry to get off topic. Now back on topic (sort of) - If I had a PSA1 T206 Wagner I'd trade it for a down payment on nice home in LaJolla (must be near the beach).

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I didn't want to join in, but I would appreciate it if folks like Dred and Warshaw would keep their loose traps shut. SoCal is a hole. Pit. Armpit of America. Move to Greenwich. Hell move to New Haven. Just get out of here so I can move from IB up north to La Jolla. <br /><br />On cards, there will be a lot of PSA 1 extremely rare hot dog cards going up for sale in a couple of years when my wife finds that house for only a million in La Jolla or Coronado.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>One again, thanks Ted Z. I do not consider myself a gnome or a troll. Kind of harsh, borderline brutal. Have I surpassed Mr. Mint, as "most bshed thread"yet?<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>You did not initiate this thread, but you certainly "sparked"<br />it. These posts have exceeded the Mr. Mint thread by at least<br />30 at this point. In fact this thread sets the record for the<br />number of responses this year.

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Ted, I'm not sure how the table turned where I'm the one with the forked tongue and the negaitve slant.<br /><br />I started this post to look at the large margin of difference between PSA 1 graded cards. Although there are pieces of Adam's posts that I can appreciate, he is the one that decided to take the confontational approach. I didn't insult him or resort to name calling. However, as we beat the dead horse again, I explained some of the misconceptions about what many of us like to collect. I appreciate the fact that you're sticking up for the odd man out on this thread, but don't paint me to be the jackhole on the board. <br /><br />I'm still chuckling about the 87' topps PSA 1,2, and 3 comment. I personally like to see them majorly trimmed and altered where they're ungradable.<br /><br />I may be poor now but I hope to be good to very good soon.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>and cheaper too...

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Yes, Southern California is a pit. I'd highly advise that people not move here, let alone visit this sun baked bastion of the epitome of hell. It has lousy weather, ugly women and there are no worth while baseball card shows.....<br /><br />Sorry for getting off topic... I enjoyed the portion of this thread that dealt with the disparaging differences in cards graded SGC10, PSA1 or GAI1. The reference to a PSA1 card with a qualifier was great. Why put a qualifier on the lowest of the low....?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I do not believe I have been critical of you in my posts. I did use the term<br />"ugly" in referring to some low grade cards and caught some flak from you and<br />other posters. Judge Dred first used the term "ugliest cards" in his very<br />first response to you, and he did not receive any critical comments. I would<br />bet that his comment was just in jest; as was mine.<br /><br /> Don't you think all of us are taking this all to personal? I am a new kid<br /> on the block here in this Forum. And, I really appreciate the free flow of<br /> Vintage card expertise and brainstorming that is a daily exercise among the<br /> members. And, especially the exchanges which result in resolving some old<br /> myths regarding certain cards, or sets, that have been a mystery in the<br /> hobby for as long as I can remember.<br /><br /> I came to Adam M's defense simply because as a single parent myself I had an<br />appreciation for his situation; and, his aspiration to retire at age 50, was<br />something I had achieved. Its no more complicated than that. <br /> <br /><br /><br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Hell, I have beaten "the HOBBY Gods'" Mr. Mint and Mastro both in the same thread? AND recorded the longest (bashed)thread this year to date. I have etched my legacy in forum stone. Will I be inducted in the forum H.O.F.? <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine<br /><br /><br />Judge dread has hit the nail on the head! That's what I was trying to ask and say. WHY put a qualifying grade on a card that has been wrote on, baked in the oven, squewed, pinholed, folded, scotched taped, miscut, flipped, traded, put in bike spokes,nailed, bent, folded, beat-to-death,chewed, and most cases digested, and crapped out, etc, etc, etc,?

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>But it's actually my thread. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Anson,<br /><br />We BOTH defeated Mint and Mastro, and we will BOTH become inducted in the Forum H.O.F. as our legecies have been etched in forum stone. Kind of like co-M.V.P.'s so to speak. (a shared thread) the Anson/Moraine thread. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine<br /><br />p.s. Cap Anson, was born in Marshalltown, Iowa (an Iowa boy, whataya know)were you named after him? I am just curious, in asking this serious question.With all kidding aside.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>I wrote the following:<br /><br /><b>Ok, lets see who has the ugliest SGC10, GAI1 or PSA1...<br /><br />I'll start</b><br /><br />I then posted a picture of a hideous looking SGC10 card. That was the end of my post. The response fit the subject matter of the post. Subsequent posts had comments regarding cards with a grade of "1" and some posts had pictures inserted. It was all pretty much in line with the initial posting subject matter until a few disparaging comments were made about low grade card collections (or general comments along that line). It all kind of mutated from there...

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Yes Anson, it is your thread. But it is a PSA1 thread (with qualifiers and unqualifiers). What do you want for it?

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>I'm half tempted to make a reference to a Morgan Dollar cataloged by.......well, you get the picture.<br /><br />Adam, I wasn't named after Adrian Anson but it would have made for an interesting story. I was named after a great uncle who was alive at the same time, however.<br /><br />My goal (besides the E101 set) is to own a nice eye appeal Cap Anson N162 someday.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />The last 4 1/2 years I have been heavy into buying vintage cards, mainly Vg/Ex or below. I have done qiute nicely for myself and have seen the lowgrade cards go up 2 to 3 times what I was buying them for in 2000. I truly believe that is much safer to buy cards in these grades because there are more people out there that can afford cards in this price range. Your so called high ended material is very dependant on "investors" and in the caase of PSA cards set registry collectors (Which as was pointed out by an earlier poster, those populations only increase which then decreases the value of the card you own).<br /><br />If you read the board you would find that there are many that are collectors of lowgrade cards ( and some even flaunt them (Scottoptomus <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> ). Plus there are the heavy hitters that have wonderful collections 99% of us only dream of having. Flaunting your collection on this board the way you did is what opened you to the criticism you received.<br /><br />As far as your autograph collection, if you remember when the FBI busted the fake autograph sellers and producers then were some of the best respected and high volume sellers of autographs.<br /><br />The bottom line is we all have our own interests in the hobby, whether high grade, low grade or some where inbetween.<br /><br /><img src="http://attic2cash.net/T206LajoieThrowPSA2MK.jpg"><br /><br />I will take all the 2's that look like this any day of the week and you can darn well believe that if I ever want to sell it there will be a nice market for it.<br /><br />My one cent worth (not 2 cents because I collect lower grade),<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>A few observations...<br /><br />Adam M.-- What dismays me the most is your goals. Your self-stated number one goal is to be a Millionaire by 50. I think this is what is truly wrong with our country lately. Shouldn't your number one goal be your child's health, well-being, and happiness. Money does not buy that...ask around...it just doesn't. I work in an area of Los Angeles (and yes, So. Cal. is a tough place to live) where the median house price is now $515K and the upper levels are selling between $1M-$2M. I see many kids neglected, unloved, taken care of by strangers, etc. Parents are so concerned with "what is mine" that they miss the important things in life. The sense of entitlement is alarming. As a teacher, I implore you to really take a step back and look at what your goals are. I applaud you for fighting for custody. Now that you have it, the bigger question is what are you going to do with it?<br /><br />My collection is wonderful...almost no card is graded and nearly no card would grade above a 3. I love it. My choice.<br /><br />Joshua

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Adam, if you are still reading this thread, here is something else to ponder. I've been on both side of the collecting world and econonic world. I used to have a nice chunk of money and killer collection. Today, I am literally flat broke and make very little money. You know what, I am 100 times happier now with my life than I was when I had money. Take guess as to why this is.....it's because I no longer spend all my time in pursuit of money. I've learned their far more important things in life than making money and much better things to do with your time than work constantly to make that money that so much of America desires. Don't end up like so many people do when they are on their deathbed and wish they had spent more time with family and friends instead of working to make money all the time. Every second you let go by in pursuit of money is another second you can't spend with your kid. And don't still little for very long. Your chance to pursue money will always be there.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Lee, why is that Nap throwing a 2? Unless there are some massive creases there, it looks like a 6 or 7 MK easy.

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>since psa has a mk qualifier it seems that psa should grade the card according to condition only and then add the qualifier. the problem(?) is that this is not always the case, but rather some psa graders lower the grade because of the (mk) and then add the qualifier. a different grader could have graded this a 6 (mk).inconsistant

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>I would crack that Lajoie like a scalded cat, it's beautiful.<br /><br />Everyone keeps poopooing about SoCal. Try coming up north to the Bay Area, CA and see what a house will cost you. Median price is well over $100,000+ more than LA. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Median house price in LA is now nearing $400K...in fact the median price for a 1 bedroom condo is $100K...<br /><br />I was born and raised in the Southern Calif. I love it greatly. I actually like the Bay Area and my brother has lived there for nearly 10 years. <br /><br />California in general is getting to be a difficult place to live with our idiot of a govenor, cost of living, etc.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob Rousseau</b><p>I lived in the Bay area for 12 years and I saw the community change in that eventually, it was difficult to have a one bedroom apt unless you paid $1300+ (owning was already hard to conceptionalize when I first moved there and except for a period of stagnation, it kept climbing higher and higher!). During the period I lived there, it increasingly became more chi chi wannabe L.A./Rodeo Drive [no offense meant to those that like that- I just prefer a different kind of vibe] - and the community became less interesting. I moved up to Seattle 5 years ago and it's got a lot more of the kind of character (and characters!) San Francisco used to have. You're going to get more artists and creative people and just regular people living in your area when the rent for a one bedroom apt is about $750 vs that $1,200. Funny- I moved right when Pac Bell/SBC park opened and I was bummed cause I would've been able to walk to ballgames there. Well, now I walk to ballgames at Safeco Field, and though it doesn't have as great a view at PacBell, it's a close second.<br /><br />May the Gods in their wisdom rain paltry PSA 2 MKs like that Nap down on me! (but- no doubt, there'd be alot of people on this board competing to be similarly "cursed"!)

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Cally has an awesome Gov.(the Guvenator,YEAH) Try living in Iowa. Our Gov.(Tom Vilsack, a.k.a.Tom Viltax) ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine <br /><br /><br /><br />I wouldn't want to live in Cally. I would be afraid that an earthquake would hit,with a high magnitude and break Cally off into the Pacific Ocean?(swam there before, though) <br />

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>There is a lot of stuff that really needs to be repaired and no money to do it. ERs are closing left and right, our roads in the worst condition I've ever seen, courthouses and public buildings are opening later because of lack of money to pay security screeners, and all the idiot in Sacramento can do is mindlessly repeat "no new taxes". I hope the bastard has a heart attack near one of the closed emergency rooms...wouldn't that be ironic?

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Warshaw,<br /><br />Easy big fella, You want to discuss taxes. A couple years ago, Iowa passed a 1-cent sales tax option where ALL of the money was going to be used to repair schools' (since education is SUPPOSED to be Iowa's top priority, YEAH RIGHT) Well, guess what? Now, Iowa doesn't have enough money to repair ALL of the schools' Thus, forcing five schools in my hometown alone, to close its doors for good. <br /><br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine <br /><br />YET, Iowa has enough money is increase lobbyists and public officals salaries. God Bless Gov. Tom Vilsack, (D) Iowa <br />

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Looks like all the steam is gone. Now we can move on to bigger and better issues. I didn't even get to mention I have the best vintage card collection in the State of Arkansas <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (Since things like that matter to some, LOL).

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Tbob, You have the best collection of vintage cards in Arkansas due to the fact,there are not too many vintage cards in Arkansas. BUT WAIT,I understand, there is an endless supply of interns,hogs and brother/sister marriages per capita than any other state though. (LOL)<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>The worst part of this thread is that we didn't really get to discuss the initial topic much.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I have the best vintage card collection in NYC. Oh wait, I mean on the upper east side of Manhattan. No, I mean in on East 73rd Street. Wait, I mean in my building. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Matthew Jackson</b><p>I am working on the 2nd best vintage collection in the state <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I am sure no one cares though. Has anyone fessed up to the 2nd best Iowa collection yet? Vintage collectors = Arkansas 2, Iowa 1. Adam, keep looking for the 4's and above & leave the 1's and 2's for the Arkies. Good luck. Go Arkansas! <br /><br />Someone mentioned PSA 1 prewar hockey cards in an earlier post. Here's mine. Looks better than a 1, don't you think?<br /><br /><img src= "http://www.network54.com/Realm/hotdogmj71/c551.JPG" height=400 width=300>

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Matt,<br /><br />I never claimed to have "THE BEST" collection here in Iowa. I did say ONE of the best. I am only considering the material I have, and my age, when making that statement. I am sure there are "COLLECTORS" here, in Iowa who remain private about there collections, who COULD blow my collection out of the water. But they are the guys who are 45+ years old, who have been collecting longer than I have been alive!<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Matthew Jackson</b><p>No problem Adam. Just messing with you. My best friend from college married a sweet girl from the Quad Cities area & we always traded jabs on who was more rural. <br /><br />Now if I can only get tbob to move across the border & I can have the best vintage collection in Arkansas (by default since I think there are only 2 of us)<br /><br />Good luck with your collection Adam<br />MJ

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>This thread can't lose steam yet, we are almost to the uncharted territory of 200 posts. <br /><br />Keep the dream alive<br /><br />Jay<br><br>My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Damn nice reading! Affluent Westchester County NY here. It is a balmy 96 (I am inside my A/C mansion. The gardener is outside sweating his cajones off. away Thanks to all of ya's that have entertained me this afternoon. ADAM your last reply will surely fan the flames and keep this thread goin.<br /><br />BTW I'd show some lowgrade vintage stuff (yes I have some too) but have no idea how to post a pic on this site.<br /><br />Steve D

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Can someone please answer my SECOND question under the "old judge question" thread?<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>steve,<br /><br />glad things are going well in Scarsdale, Younkers, or long Island sound or wherever you are from. How are things at westchester county club?<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine <br /><br />By the way, Steve why do you not have you maid or gardener post the pics for you? What the hell are you paying them for? OR are you just a cheap a!@#%

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Lets see, I could lower myself and answer you in a manner in which you deserve or just let your comments go by the wayside. I prefer to let you think about that.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Steve<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>A few Fair examples I just picked up, thanks to Dan K!<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119736006.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119736060.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Robert Nowell</b><p>I have been following this thread as I am sure many have and I have a few observations.<br /><br /> What started out as a good thread has since turned into a vicious assault by Adam on the other posters and for the life of me I cant understand why he has been allowed to continue posting the way he has in this thread. I for one would like to see this thread get locked down when Leon is able to do so because the continuance of such does nothing more than turn away those lurking who might be inclined to post on true vintage questions and needs but dont because of this ill-mannered Adam.<br /> Adam, you have really shown your immaturity by posting the way you have and inflaming and maligning the fine group of people here who go out of there way to help and befriend so many here. You may have worthy goals in life but there is one goal you seem to have all but forgotten and that is treat people the way you would like to be treated. Just because you are on the internet and using it as a mode of communication doesnt give you the license to act any way you like without any regard to the standards of human decentcy and dignity. The other rule that seems lost on you is, if you dont have anything nice to say then just dont say anything at all. I think you owe Leon and the rest of this board an apology for your absurd behavior.<br><br>basicgreatguy@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Daniel Bretta</b><p>Adam, you either have a very poor sense of humor or you are completely lacking self-awareness. I can't figure which, but you certainly know how to make things worse for yourself.

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Maybe Adam should just push back from the computer and spend some time with his daughter, seems like the maturity level would be more compatible. <br /><br />Maybe nobody answered your second question because you continue to offend board members.<br /><br />Joshua

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>I chalk it up to a very poor sense of humor.NOTHING PERSONAL,GUYS.GEEZ. And Levine, my ex-girlfriend has weekend visitation 5 p.m.- Friday- 6 p.m. Sunday. Therefore, I will not see my daughter, until 6 p.m. TOMORROW.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine<br /><br />p.s. Levine, Why do you not spend some time with you kid/kids or significant other?

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Adam- suprisingly the number of incestual marriages, as you so pleasantly referred to in your post, increased once people from your state started moving down to Arkansas. The interns didn't come from here either, only the President. I'd sure rather have Arkansas' Brother Bill running the show, interns and all, than the village idiot from Texas. <br />But that's another post for another day....<br />Have a nice day,<br />TBob<br />P.S. I bet Matthew's collection will rival yours in 10 years because he collects tough cards, regardless of condition, which are always going to be scarce and desired by collectors.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>This is a non-title event. This entire thread is not officially sanctioned by Net54. Therefore, Jay Behrens' Dunderhead Crown is not threatened by these proceedings.<br /><br />It is noted however, that Mr. Maroon has clearly established himself as a primary contender for the title.<br /><br />Also please note: No chickens, horses, dogs, nor bulls were harmed during the production of this thread. Although their excrement has been dispersed widely throughout many posts.

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>I tried to steer us away from continuing on with this but it didn't work. <br /><br />Leon, please put the fork in this one as nothing tangible is coming out of this thread.<br /><br />BTW, we have had a whole string of idiots for presidents. Let's not kid ourselves.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Post 198 - It was a fun thread to begin with.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>This post is #198. When it gets to 200 I will lock it......I don't think I've ever seen a 200 post thread. As for the original topic I have had this discussion with friends numerous times. There is absolutely the most variations in PR grade than any other, by far. It's almost not fair....regards