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steve B 05-15-2025 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2515476)
Ironically, you can probably place bets on whether they will be elected or not.

This is why.

Also not that it matters to the ones currently running MLB, but it reduces the hypocrisy of having people banned for gambling while the league itself has a team in Vegas and ties to online gambling through Fanatics.

So having standards and morality are out as long as there's buckets of money to be had.

I hate the world more nearly every day.

SyrNy1960 05-15-2025 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by steve b (Post 2515978)
this is why.

Also not that it matters to the ones currently running mlb, but it reduces the hypocrisy of having people banned for gambling while the league itself has a team in vegas and ties to online gambling through fanatics.

So having standards and morality are out as long as there's buckets of money to be had.

I hate the world more nearly every day.

+100 💯💯💯

steve B 05-15-2025 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 2515766)
Maybe I'm tripping up on semantics here, but weren't both Mickey and Willie (as mentioned by another poster) also banned from baseball while members of the Hall. AFAIK, their standing in the Hall did not change with Kuhn's ruling.

Their bans were mostly temporary. And only lasted as long as they were doing PR for casinos. If I remember it right Willie was contracted for a year and after that was back in. Didn't know about Mantle, but probably a similar situation

jayshum 05-15-2025 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 2515983)
Their bans were mostly temporary. And only lasted as long as they were doing PR for casinos. If I remember it right Willie was contracted for a year and after that was back in. Didn't know about Mantle, but probably a similar situation

I thought Peter Ueberroth lifted their bans from baseball when he became commissioner.

steve B 05-15-2025 08:06 AM

A few thoughts.

The difference between Jackson and Rose.
Jackson may have thrown the series, as a talented player he could have failed in the right spots while playing well in others.
While they probably knew what they did was wrong, it wasn't yet against the rules (as far as I know. )

Rose - every day of his career walked past a sign saying gambling was against the rules and would result in a ban. Every day for 20+ years....
And at some point despite being told every day not to do it he went ahead and did it anyway.


And since this is a sports card and memorabilia group..
We're on page 4 and apparently have forgotten that along the way to the record for hits sold bats supposedly from a particular hit multiple times. So there are say two or more bats from hit 4101 out there. All hard to prove as game used since he was using at least one for every at bat. (I'm ok with one or more bats per AB, but not selling more than one as "the bat that got this hit"

BobbyStrawberry 05-15-2025 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme (Post 2515972)
burn it all down

The hall of fame? But there's some priceless stuff in there!

Mark17 05-15-2025 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2515939)
No you weren't. I said a man is innocent until convicted. I said nothing about anyone found guilty. It's a logical error to leap from my statement to the assumption that any and all those convicted are actually guilty.





Yes, those words of yours do indeed sound ridiculous.

:rolleyes:

Cicotte was found not guilty of throwing games. Are you saying he was, in fact, not guilty of doing so? Because he said he was guilty, and described in detail how he did it, right from his very first pitch.


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