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Bob and Leon, et al Back in 1982, the Rose rookie counterfeit was pretty darn good. And, if it wasn't for the stupidity of the counterfeiter trying to dump a large number of them at one BB card show in California, these cards would not have been detected as soon as they were. Hey guys, Which one of these Rose rookie cards is a fake ? http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...rookies50x.jpg TED Z . |
Im thinking the one on the right is the fake. I can't imagine a fake having a fisheye.
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One on the right is dead centered, and for this issue that would be rare. But the images of the player heads are clearer/better registered. Right is probably the fake, and as pointed out, a fisheye on a counterfeit would be a dead giveaway if you knew about them. Otherwise, the fisheye might become a "variation" of the card and recognized in price guides.... ;-)
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What was a Rose card worth back then? I can't see it being worth the effort but obviously I am wrong. Quote:
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What most can't understand is the ability to make very high end counterfeits has been around as long as the ability to make the original card. |
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usually easier to tell in hand as the stock is noticeably thinner,
but the go to indicator is the bolder black line that outlines pete's cap. |
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Glyn This is good news. I'm really glad to hear that you are getting better. This is an insidious disease, and it isn't easy to shake. Our prayers are with you. TED Z . |
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Bob Evans has the clue. The real Rose rookie does not have Rose's cap outlined. Both of these cards are counterfeits. Therefore, my next question to any of you is...... If I were to submit this un-stamped "COUNTERFEIT" card to PSA or SGC (or etc.), will this card get a numerical grade ? ? http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...rookies50x.jpg http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ookies50xb.jpg TED Z . |
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Curious, is that "bolder black line" the only thing that tells it apart from a real one, or are there other indicators as well? |
thanks ted...and others...this is valuable info I did not know. the black line around petes head is pretty obvious when compared head to head...no other hints seem necessary.
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i think the real blow by blow was occurring in a suite at the trump plaza.
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Ted...being sly...was trying to trick us...and he certainly tricked me!!! |
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Hi Dale The outlined cap is a very subtle indicator. However, if you have an authentic Rose rookie to make an A - B comparison, it becomes obvious. I sold my 1963 TOPPS set; therefore, I don't have a Rose rookie to display here. Perhaps some one on this forum will post their Rose rookie. TED Z . |
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I don't remember the value in 1982, but I know that in 1984, the Rose RC was a $400+ card. Steve |
In the Spring of 1982, the 1963 TOPPS Rose rookie was real "hot". It was selling for about $150.
At the 1982 National in St Louis, I acquired 8 of them (Ex to Ex/Mt). Then sold all 8 of them at the Willow Grove Show for $250 apiece. By the Summer of 1983, these cards were selling in the $300 - $400 range (for Ex/Mt to near Mint). TED Z . |
I went to the St. Louis National in 1982. But I can't remember if it was at that show, or later that they had figured out some of the Rose rookies being sold were fake. I remember it was widely reported later in SCD and you could buy one of the bogus cards with the word FAKE stamped on the back. The fake had become "famous" enough that collectors wanted it.
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I may be wrong, but...
at the 1991 (?) Anaheim, CA NSSC I believe promoter / co-promoter Jack Petruzzelli (R.I.P.) was one of the first to call B.S. er... pull the metaphorical trigger on the Rose rookie card scam...
from my personal recollection, Jack was a good dude, as well as an Anaheim or Fullerton PD / criminal investigator ??? thanks, JP!. DS |
Jack did the work on discovering and cleaning up the mess from the fake Rose RC's but it was in the 1980's. I think circa 1982 or 3
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Hey guys, I purchased these two Rose rookie counterfeits at the St Louis National in 1982. These fakes were detected at a California Show earlier that year. The local police were contacted, they stamped the backs of them (as the card on the right); and, confiscated a lot of them. However, a number of the fakes were already in circulation (as the un-stamped card on the left). First, I acquired these 2 counterfeit fakes at the 1982 National so I could distinguish them from the real ones. Then I acquired 8 real Rose rookies at the 1982 National. TED Z . |
OK, that goes along with what thought I remembered, of seeing them at the 1982 National already stamped. Sometimes it's hard to remember what you've forgotten!
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I really didn't think, based on the tech that was available back then, that people would be making counterfeit cards in order to make money. I was surprised, however, to hear what some of the Rose RC's were worth even way back then, so I can understand it, now, why it goes way back like it does. |
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In fact, that is why it was such big news when Upper Deck came out in 1989 with the hologram on the backs of their cards, as a deterrent to counterfeiting. Steve |
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Although I wasn't collecting anywhere near then like I am now, I always thought the Hologram was just to "pretty" up the card some. :o |
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