Great post Butch. Made some updates to my list. Some clarification for my sake as we know classifcation can mean differents things. When you indicate:

Pink and White with Scribble #1 & 2 Do you mean the scribble is the center color or (scribble) on the SB?

Johnny

With this comment, I am saying (more like thinking) that there are two different scribble patterns. It looked to me like the crosshatches were different between the two of them. I have not 'scoped' this close enough to say one way or the other if they are different or not. So, I tagged them this way to keep them in my face and compare them closer at some time future.

Update: Scribble pattern by the SB.

Butch

Someone needs to get a copy of these last several posts to Brent Strom

Who would have thought Strom has a Wiki page. Upon reading I see "Since 1992, Strom has served as the pitching coach for the Tucson Toros, Houston Astros, the Kansas City Royals" I grew up in Tucson and saw the Toros play many times, however this was way before Strom assignment.

Butch, I can not confirm the two different scribble patterns as I only have one copy.

Not a e/v but cool 3d version

Updating Whammy. I think there's a lot of different variations. Here are the 3 points of variance

1) The bottom left corner can be complete, be rounded and missing a small piece, or have two small squiggly lines extending for it

2) Black lines come with the light black dashing extending down at an angle like on the top card, be straight and dark, or not exist at all.

3) The yellow block can be present or not present.

There seem to be multiple combinations of these facts, not just the 3 I have.

1965 topps high 532 hector lopez can be found with or without a yellow line at the bottom

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1966...inal&side=back
1966 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #183 - Checklist [Poor to Fair]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Print bleed on top and bottom, obscuring the card number, since the ball should have white coloring inside.

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1966...inal&side=back
1966 O-Pee-Chee - [Base] #183 - Checklist [POOR]
Courtesy of COMC.com

1961 topps 270 bob friend
 

1961 topps 270 bob friend can be found with or without red line at top boarder

Can't remember if its appeared in this thread and search is picking up a ton of results for "Cloyd Boyer" that aren't right, but here's 1952 Topps #280 Cloyd Boyer, with the magenta striping at bottom border RPD.

Boyer happens to complete my 1-310 basic set except for... Willie Mays. Great :rolleyes:

I think Dale may have posted it either in this thread or the 52 Gallery thread. I picked one up after seing that post. Scarce but recurring

eBay happens to be unusually rich with them right now at the moment, but I've seen off-center cards of Boyer missing the magenta, so I assume that the mark was only on one of its placements on a full sheet and is thus only possible on Boyer's that came from that particular sheet slot. But what do I know!

At least more than me :)

Definitely not when it comes to post war variants, sir!

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1955...inal&side=back
1955 Topps - [Base] #193 - High # - Johnny Sain
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring print error: incomplete circle on back around card number.

1965 series 7 yellow line
 

I believe that line was a demarcation mark used by Topps to meld the 4x print rows with the 3x print rows. I have seen Sparma, Downing, and Mets team with the yellow line at top. These cards are in the row below the Lopez row. In addition, I have seen Gaines with the yellow line at bottom.

I collected most of the variants i have at a time I was blissfully unaware of the fact some were actually related. Guys like Cliff and you explained a lot of them

“You teach me well”…..imagine a yoda voice

1965 yellow line, series 7
 

a couple others from 1965

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And from series 6, on the reverse

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Truthfully, I didn't really notice these until I was studying my 1968 cards, where this pattern is prevalent. I then went back to other years to discern if it had occurred before. Cliff then educated me about the practice.

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1975 Topps Ron Reed #81 comes with or without a border break and messed up "what" in the quiz question.

1975 Topps #132 Randy Moffitt can be found with this partial broken black line in the bottom border

And 1975 Topps #573 Orlando Pena comes with or without this line in the lower right.

It is interesting that everyone of these I see, the back is offset to the left.

Butch

After reading this post, I checked my box. All 7 of my Reed’s (the other 6 are the normal back) are off center to the left like this too. So there’s more for your sample size!

Picked up this one the end of last month. Not very rare but a cool variation with the yellow and red stripes down the edge.

It is recurring :)

If I remember correctly it is a double print and one of the cards is on the left side of the sheet. Then when miscut enough the lines show up on those cards.

1955 Topps Duane Pillette #168. Duane comes with or without the peachy colored block in the left border. The block is less common, but not difficult.

Good one Greg, but ironically after checking my set I need to normal one :)

You and me both, I found it by noticing my copy had a weird mark. I love when this happens with a cheap common!


1955 has been my set of the week, trying to clean up my personal checklist for it. Such a great design. The two stocks (white vs. cream, and the cream is coarser to the touch. Difficult to tell apart in scans, but much easier in hand) for the first series/sheet cards really complicate the 'known' variations/RPD's/whatever-people-want-to-call-them. My copy of #2 Ted Williams that I've had for a long time is thankfully the no dots in signature variation, with a white back. Does anyone have this variation with the cream stock? I'm not certain all the variations affect both stocks, and pedantically cataloguing them might provide production clues as to whether they were done simultaneously or if they represent 2 distinct print runs of the first 'series'.

Carey, Sullivan, Terwilliger, Conley, Grim, Jackie, Moon et al. I'm also working on.

Here's another example of what I mean. #67 Wally Moon comes with a red dot above his first name in the signature, or no dot, which is long known. Are there 3 or 4 copies to collect though? Here I have the :

Red dot, cream stock
No dot, cream stock
No dot, white stock

Does a red dot, white stock exist?

I hope the stock difference comes through the Net54 photo limitations. 1955 is not one of the easiest stock differences to tell but there are two of the for the first series cards, usually not too hard to tell in hand and they feel different too. Difficult, oft impossible to tell from scans and eBay listings where the appearance of difference often comes from scanner settings, making it difficult for me to be positive a card is one stock or the other without getting it in hand. A number of the other defects/differences in the first series 1955's are genuine variations, cropping differences, changes to the signatures, etc.

And here is one that is partially new, on 1955 Topps #80 Bob Grim.

Grim had a wonderful season as a rookie in 1954, going 20-6. Like Jackie Robinson, Grim is known to come with 2 versions of the logo, with the team logo cut off at the top and left or appearing fine. In truth, it's not just the logo - the cards are different cropping everywhere. Looks at his cap, his chin, and it's evident there is a sizing difference and moving of the picture everywhere, like happened the next year with a number of cards as well.

I believe there are actually 3 versions though, before we get to the stock differences. At bottom is the version with the team logo's black border circle oviously cut off at left and top. In the middle though, one can see the top border is barely there, and flattened. At top, the top black border of the team outline is 90% complete. The top and middle cards also have very, very slight differences in the position of the top of Grim's hat relative to the white border. Exciting? No. 3 different cropping variations? I think so.

Now these 3 may be 6 if all were done with both stocks. There are likely at least 5 as the main cropping difference come from different slot placements on a sheet.


EDIT: None of the Grim's I've had have ever had a dot over the "I" in his autograph. Has anyone seen one? Several other cards have variations here so it may be a variation on Bob's card as well.

Here's another one my personal checklist is getting complicated on. 1955 Topps #20 Andy Carey. Carey is known as one of the other crop cards, with the team logo cut or complete at the top.

To start, I think there are actually 3 distinctly different crop versions of the team logo. Full gap at top (bottom), almost a gap with the thinnest part of the top black circle being almost missing (middle) and almost complete (top).

Second, I believe there are deeper complications with the coloring. The middle card here has the left half of the logo being pink instead of red. Now this is usually nothing, just representative of light ink or fading or light modification, but a ton of Carey's online are clearly this exact same pattern with a pink left half of the logo. It occurs frequently across the different croppings. I think there is something more than fading going on here, it is quite strange that a significant percentage of Carey's would have the exact same precise pattern of red fading on part of the logo in only this exact spot.

Third, there is a pinky purple sheet mark next to the logo on the bottom card that is off center. This is recurring. This bottom copy also has a yellow splotch at bottom right of the red name box, not sure if recurring. The middle card has a white obstruction streak running from top border to the portrait cap. Also do not know if recurring yet.

I did not do the gray and whites for 1956 but this is what I have for variants, all recuring

1 Williams..dot on i or not
2 Fowler Topps in the red on back
14 Finnegan missing top line on logo
26 Groat...same as Finnegan
29 Wehmeir..truncated logo, no dot on i and * on back by Life, and white spot
in logo
30 Powers...missing top circle of logo border
31 Spahn...same as Powers
34 Terwilliger...partial logo from Groat card...plus this guy was a tank man in
WW 2 and after his tank was hit on Saipan had to outrun a enemy tank on foot
50 Robinson....truncated logo
54 Limmer...gap on left side of logo
56 Jablonski...blob on N in his name
67 Moon..red dot on i
70..Rosen...truncated logo like Herm and Jackie
80 Grimm...missing top of circle in logo
81 Conley...distortion in headress in logo ( scarce recuring fish eye)
106 Sullivan...all kinds of different dots on i
118 Purkey...blue v green mark on shoulder
137 Elliot..4 different version of last line of bio and the copyright
144 Almalfitano...blue line in left front border
145 Valo..wavy red right border at bottom
161 Tanner...white y in Daffy on back
174 Minarcin...bite out of black right bottom border
177 Robertson...missing part of red stat box on back
193 Sain..missing part of circle on ball on back

My list also has:

34 Terwilliger also has cropping variations of the logo or changes to the very top of it (I think 3 in total). I did not know he outran a tank!

137 - I believe there are 5 (?) with the 'extra' being that the "in '53" version comes with the top of the 5 damaged, or actually fully complete.

145 Valo has a "280" or ".280" batting average, that I think somebody found in this thread. It's an obstruction blocking a small area of the print, rather than a correction made to the type.

After recount I do have 5 Elliotts including the damaged 5 version which I think may be the toughest.

May have to look for the Terwilliger logo. On of mine has a flattened area at top of logo rather that rounded. Are there some with gaps ?

On Valo my version with the wavy front righ bottom border is missing the . in 280

1955 Valo
 

I had this one as a result of the lower right bar being somewhat cut off, like Minarcin, only less so.

One of these has the .280 BA without the dot on the reverse.

1956 # 98 Buddy Young
 

I know this is baseball cards, but this is variation in the 1956 Topps set. Both varieties are on COMC and eBay, so they are easy to get. You can see the yellow block on the lower right of the card front.

Thomas--good to hear from you. My defective Valo is llike yours and is missing the dot before 280 on the back as well

For 145 Valo, I did not know (thank you guys) about the front name box defect.

My version of .280 and 280 are both fully printed in the red name box. A smidgeon of the corner of the "2" in the "280" version is missing, if you look closely.

Here what I believe are the 3 different versions

1) Fully rounded, normal and proper logo

2) Flat top logo, top flattened and squished, but thinly connected.

3) Full gap, similar to 2 but the line is fully broken and cut off even more. The top black line is 'bent down'.

Combined with the pirates logo and stocks, there are a lot of total versions of Terwilliger.

1952 Topps Bobby Shantz #219 comes with, beneath the bottom black border roughly below the first "B" in his first name:

1) Light pink blotch

2) Darker magenta/red spot

3) Cleanly printed

Those are good ones Greg. I think I posted mine in the Topps 1952 Gallery thread. There is a 59 Grammas card with a something similar blob, transition card and clean

It's getting difficult for my little brain to remember what's been posted here before now that we have so many on the post-war board somewhere :). Thankfully I have all of the 59 Grammas', but I only have 1 Shantz. I don't think I'm finishing a 52 Topps pedantic master any time soon...

1964 Topps Giants #10 Jim Bunning comes with or without this white line running from his arm to the border, in the upper right of the picture. Neither version seems very difficult and there's plenty of examples of each on eBay, scanning over them.

This one also has a white line running from his hand to his cap, but not all with the dash have this. I think 3 total versions.

Nope....I refuse to get involved with variants in that set :eek::).

But I really like the set

There aren’t many, I think. The temptation must be there!

And I do not have the fortitude of The Lord in the desert

Fun with 3rd 65 set…..

Would you guys consider this a printing error or one off?

Fun with 3rd 65 set…….

Would you guys consider this a printing error or one off?

They are print errors.

But neat ones :)

Echoing Ben, print error.

Another "near" print error. Definitely some blue pixels visible in the "a". Likely as close as I will ever get to the real variation.

Some partial border-less 63s, with some near "black-lessing".

Larry/Cliff---are these 63 missing borders related at all to the group Cliff identified earlier for Sadowski/Bell/St Louis Team/Herbert/Mele/Klimclock/McCormick/Cook ?

Here is my Herrer but I like the one on left better

They have me perplexed. They are from the 3rd Series and are all over the sheet, I don't see any pattern as to why they are like that. When I saw them I figured they were all on the edge of the sheet like the ones from the 1963 1st Series and 7th Series but they aren't.

I had looked at the sheet you posted previously and the only adjoining cards in my group were the 3 yellow cards....however, they had missing ink all on the same left edge. It would have made more sense if the adjoining cards were borderless on their shared edges (IE one left edge, the other the right edge).

My guess is that there are cards from the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th series that have similar flaws. They just have not been shared yet.

Not the most exciting, but 1967 Topps #383 Ken Henderson comes with or without the small green splotch on his neck.

1970 Topps #19 Johnny Boccabella comes with or without this small blue extension from the biography box, above the card number.

These are both the white stock reverses.

If this one has been mentioned before I don't remember it. While searching 1957 5th Series cards for a different reason I ran across multiples of these so it is recurring and not a one time print freak.

Cliff---I actually got one of these Lynch variants after Mike Cady posted one that I think he got from Thomas ( sliphorn) on his variations site. I also saw there and picked up another one with an incomplete back circle, Arroya 394, but unlike Lynch the side stats seem unaffected. Scans of both on site below

https://baseballcardvariationsguideb...58-topps-1962/

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1975...&size=original
1975 Topps - [Base] #5 - '74 Highlights - Nolan Ryan
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring fisheye print defect under the 300.

Just started working on my 1969 topps set and found 600 Tony oliva with and without red “cut line” on bottom

Greg posted a 70 Boccabella 19 back above. Here is a front variant, one of many pinkish 70 variants

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1951...&size=original
1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1951...&size=original
1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com

Left border is missing near shoulder. Recurring print defect. Both copies also have the same print defect in the line next to his mouth.

Good one John, and not too scarce

1964 Topps #135 Johnny Callison can be found with or without a light purple blotch over Callison's nose. The defect is slightly rare; it looks to me like four of the 36 copies of the card currently for sale on COMC have it.

1969 topps 380 Stan bahnsen can be found with and without black line at bottom

1969 topps lines
 

Ok I was having fun looking through my new set and noticed some defects

121 grzenda can be found w/wo partial line top right
265 Cardenas can be found w/wo partial line top left
369 skinner can be found w/wo full line top
385 cepeda can be found w/wo scratch line shoulder

The Cepeda with the line seems to be the “common” version

Ok one more 1969 Francois 398 can be found w/w/o black line at bottom

1969 cards with lines
 

I think that the lines at the top of the cards mentioned indicate that those cards were at them top of a slit.

Grzenda is in C9 of the 2nd series slit headed by Lindy Mcdaniel.

Cardenas is in C9 of the 3rd series slit headed by Mike Kekich

Skinner is in C3 of the 4th series slit headed by Ray Culp

1962 #150 Kaline
 

I bought a green tine version because of the red paint on it. I noticed, upon scanning that the green tint versions have his first name and team farther to the left. compared to his last name. Very ticky tacky, but reality.

1969 series 4 cards with lines
 

Here is a slit from series 4. If you examine it closely, you will see a line separating the Francona row from the Culp row.

Cards in the Francona row can be found with the line at the bottom while cards from Culp row can be found with the line at the top.



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Ok one more 1969 topps Jim French 199 can be found w/wo black line on back of card

77 Ray Burris with his name in yellow instead of the normal red

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Not variations but a couple of errors from my friends collection that I'm going through

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1958 #313 Rush
 

I found this at a card show. I acknowledge that it is pretty ticky tacky, but a recurring event. In the top right version, there is a yellow slash to the top left by "Bob". There is also a smaller one below that. I have seen at least five on eBay and two on COMC. I bought one off COMC that had a longer slash. Just an FYI.

While searching 1960 Topps 3rd Series cards for miscuts on eBay I ran across this Rip Repulski with the clipped K for a few dollars and grabbed it.