Was going through some '80s RCs the other night and noticed a 1985 Fleer Roger Clemens RC with red 'smoke' around the bill of his hat. Had never noticed this before. Looking at the 'bay, probably 1 out of every 30-40 of these cards has the red smoke, but don't seem to have any particular premium.

Is this a well known print variation?

Not my card below:

Tom- was unaware of it. My 85 Fleer set is boxed rather than bindered so will
have to take a look

Darren- great post. You variation “action” posts are always fascinating

Darren--In checking my 69 set I only have the 2 versions you show for CL 5. But I had not noticed the differences you pointed out. In my version of the one with the bigger boxes on the front there is a defect on the back involving 459 Boswell. Not sure if the defect shows up on all versions of that card. Really enjoy your "action" variations images

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My two variations of the 1969 5th series checklist are the same as Al's. The one with the bigger boxes has the Boswell defect. Mine also has the same dot in the box for #456 Bud Harrelson.

Mike

I missed the dot Mike ����

Tom- there is a PSA 8 Clemens that has the defect and a PD notation on ebay now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38404055057...cAAOSwHxdgVBg-

I do not have any variants with my 85 Fleer set. Anyone collect that set and know of any ?

I bought the other version of this that I needed but see something that looks like a "Y" on the left version kind of coming up above the bottom box. Am I seeing things? Thanks.

The Dave Stewart has a few different variations (area left/above of second base).

That's what is better known as the Dave Stewart 'Fart' card. Obviously was caught him off-guard per his expression. Predecessor to the 'F-Face' Ripken card.

Good to know.... Gail's card then must be the predecessor to the Stewart card...

I had to hunt down a 1961 Cogdill Thick Flatulence variation after seeing yours and luckily found one on eBay, the Thin Flatulence variation seems to be common.

Was surprised by how many degrees of difference exist on the Stewart. My only football sets are 61 Fleer and 1960 St Louis Cardinals Mayrose Meats, so I am safe from the Cogdill 😜

Thanks to Cliff Bowman for pointing this card out to me. As far as I know all the 59 Walls cards have the yellow border defect on the right bottom of the card. This one Cliff pointed out has the straightest border with the least yellow I have seen.

Ironically, in hand you can not see the tinge of yellow even with a magnifying glass

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Going through a stack of 67’s Topps looking for any opc’s and I found something odd. Double printed 392 Harper……is this a known error?

Whole back…..

It's one of those things that can happen on any card; something run through twice. I tend to treat these like blank backs, something cool and a nice complement to a master set but probably exists somewhere on every card with a large production run like a Topps base set.

I am not seeing any copies with just one copy right line....while this mis-print may vary form other cards in the set, it appears all copies of this card have both lines and is not a variation.

I think they all have the double stamp. Just the one of the 4 I have has the bottom double stamped

I know this is post 1980, but I would really like you guys' opinion on this card. For my Cardinals team sets I only include reoccurring variations.

I can assure you that multiples exist of this because I own 2 of them. However, I can't find another example anywhere. I am wondering how common this is and whether or not to include it in my team sets.

This 1981 Topps Leon Durham has a black smear near the bill of the cap on the nameplate. Like I said, I own 2 of these that are identical but can't find another one anywhere else.

https://i.postimg.cc/L5N6GxtD/016-19...-variation.jpg

Scarce recurring print flaw ?

Looks like either overinking, or a slightly dry plate.

Both of those are somewhat transient, depending on how much the press operator cared. Dry plate could be an all day thing, overinking goes away fairly quickly.

The constant variety that may be on the plate would be the tiny gap in the left inner border. (There may be others, but I didn't look all that hard for them)

What number is it? I have a lot of 81Topps, and if it's a number under 528 I can look and see what I have. (Long story)

#321

I put these 2 1957 print "variations" defects on ebay. 1957 Topps Frank Robinson Rookie and 1957 Topps Nellie Fox Hall of Famer.

Missing color or just faded
 

Looks like this 1969 Robinson is missing some color, or is the card just faded? All of my other 1969 Topps have bright red circles like the Bahnsen card.

Looks like a recurring error.
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1969...&size=original
1969 Topps - [Base] #313 - Bill Robinson [None Good to VG‑EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

If the card was faded, I think the yellow would be gone as well.

1956 Joe Astroth
 

Here's a recurring error. It's not quite Pancho Hererr(a) but it's in the same league.

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1635471607

Always looking for 1956 salesman samples, miscuts, hand cuts, wrong backs, print errors and other variations.

Eric— I don’t do miscuts, wrong backs or blank backs but would be interested in your list of variations or recurring print defects ( front or back) for the 56 set if you are inclined to share it

I looked for a 1956 Topps 2nd Series sheet to see where the Astroth was placed on it, but unlike the 1st Series sheet which is plentiful I couldn't find a single scan of the 2nd Series anywhere. I did find a miscut Astroth with Harry Dorish under it, but no idea who was above or beside Astroth.

1956 Variations
 

I've never seen a 2d series sheet either. Willard Nixon is above Astroth but I don't know who is to the right or left of Astroth or Nixon.

Here's my list of variations in the 56 set.

Always looking for 1956 salesman samples, miscuts, hand cuts, printer's errors and other variations.

Vrechek article on the 56 flat cap or cropping differences. There are a boatload of them. Can share list of those I have if interested. I think sliphorn ( Tom) may have the most extensive list of them

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0ge...T_vzmzidIKOIc-

To your list I would add 261 Shants with the defective A in Athletics on the front, 292 Aparicio with white background and 321 Konstanty with some green stat boxes missing on back

Have only 2 cards from a Salesman Sample and only an unopened penny pack for 56. 56 and 58 Topps unopened packs are tough. Anthony ( Griffins) may have a full panel and a 5 cent pack . I do have a full Topps Hocus Focus baseball subset for 56

1956 Variations
 

Thanks for the additions to the list. There are times where I feel like if you look hard enough at each card in the set that you will find something.

One I forgot to include on my list is the WB Clemente with red dot next to his arm.

I have seen the Clemente but so far have not been able to get myself to spend that much on that red dot :(

Agree that if you pick out any card and look long enough you will probably find a print defect

By the way, there are 2 different red dot versions of the 67 Mantle, one top and one bottom. I did do those but so far no Clemente

1956 Clemente
 

The red dot is on his uniform.

As Al mentioned, I have a boatload of 1956 flat hatters. I have scans of all of them but it would bog down this server to post them all. The Clemente was one. Anyone who would want the entire pile of jpegs should email me so that I can reply with them. My email address is (if this site allows addresses( billingtw@sbcglobal.net.

Tom---I think you supplied most if not all the pics of the 56 variants on this site. Do you have additional "flat heads" beyond those pictured ?

http://baseballcardvariationsguidebo...wordpress.com/

Found another 1967…..I’ll call it the swimming in ink version…..

You are correct, BUT, I just finished an article showing each pair of cards and descriptions under each pair. I am going to send it to Mike Cady to see if he wants to used it in place of the other one.

If anyone wants it, and can handle a 24 MB email, send your email address to me and I will attach it for you. Mine is billingtw@sbcglobal.net.

sigh....


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Thanks to Tom and Larry for pointing these out to me in posts above

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You're welcome Al, I like your quad-fecta of Stews...now I have one more to go find.

Given the length of this thread my guess is this one may be in here somewhere, but I just found this "bearded Bailey" while looking through a large group of '75's. Based on an Ebay search, it seems to reoccur fairly regularly.

1952 #28 Jerry Priddy
 

I have an article I did comparing black backs vs. red backs in this set with scans. This one appears to have been cropped. It is the only one that seems to have this issue. The sky in the top one (black back) looks thicker than on the lower red back version. You can see the item at the very top left mostly NOT there in the lower version. I also see that the small gap at the upper left is wider in the red back version. The dark color on the lower left is thicker in the red back version.
Why was this cropped and none of the others?

That is awesome, I would call it the Wooly Bailey variant.

Tom— see post # 250 on page 4 of the Topps 1952 Gallery Thread for some other oddities for this card

Cliff--Willy is likely worth more than Bob

Here is a print variation I had not seen before....
of course Lauraslazy has though !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31366368159...hNds8&LH_BIN=1

Do you know that seller Larry. He/she sure comes up with a lot of variants. Do they do it themselves or are they a clearinghouse ? They do negotiate and are dependable

I have sold them many variations over the years (sometimes unknowingly), so I have always assumed that a good portion of their offerings are found on ebay(?). However, like many of us who frequent shows/shops also, they likely pick some up that way too.

Between Barry Isak and this seller, via ebay they both seem to maintain a decent selection of the print variation type cards that we all seem to enjoy chasing.

I know Barry pretty well. Beyond variations he has a great deal of expertise in Fleer issues from the 60s and 70s. He has steered me to some stuff not even included on the Fleer Sticker Blog

I know him pretty well also. I have steered him to many things he now sells. I stopped at his house a couple of years ago to meet him and visit. He showed me some of his stuff and he has some incredible things. Good guy.

1971 printing error
 

Found this printing error in a box of 1971 Topps that I got in the other day.

Best regards,

Joe

Cool looking defect Joe