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pokerplyr80 01-29-2016 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMitchell (Post 1497417)
Beastmode offers some good advice (see boldface and enlarged type for added emphasis). Perhaps not "never" but certainly "rarely" will one be a victim of shilling, if followed.

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The main point I have seen others try to make is that even when following this advice, one can still be a victim of shilling if what they end up paying is higher than it would have been without the shilled bids. Just because you are willing to pay that amount, or would have paid more, doesn't mean you're not a victim. Plus the bar is set that much higher the next time the same card comes up for sale.

Fred 01-29-2016 03:41 PM
Great spread sheet. It only makes me sicker to be able to sort this and see the involvement of each individual.

I wonder how many shill bidders will show up to the next National.... probably all that can because they'll have no remorse or some story indicating their innocence.

Fred 01-29-2016 03:48 PM
I'm hoping someone compiles a list of all these butt heads that shilled and their current affiliation in the hobby with an auction house and business. I can see a few prominent auction house names in there. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised. :eek:

conor912 01-29-2016 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by xplainer (Post 1497418)
But, from what I've read, it's like being shown pictures of your wife in bed with another man, and being told:
I can explain.
It's not what it looks like.
It didn't mean anything.

Wrong is wrong and you have to pay the consequence. Whatever that turns out to be.
You can rest assured that if I ever sleep with any of your wives, I won't be able to explain and it'll be exactly what it looks like :D

yanks12025 01-29-2016 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jefferyepayne (Post 1497345)
It should! I would demand an explanation before bidding further. In fact, I don't plan to purchase / bid in any auction affiliated with those on the shill list until the person involved comes on net54 to explain their actions.

As I've said in other threads before, the only way to clean up this hobby is for people to STOP SUPPORTING those who are dirty. Otherwise you only have yourself to blame for future abuse.

Jeff Payne
I only saw Kens name as a consignor not a shill person.

nolemmings 01-29-2016 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1497424)
The main point I have seen others try to make is that even when following this advice, one can still be a victim of shilling if what they end up paying is higher than it would have been without the shilled bids. Just because you are willing to pay that amount, or would have paid more, doesn't mean you're not a victim. Plus the bar is set that much higher the next time the same card comes up for sale.
Exactly. It should not be that hard a concept to understand. That being said, I do not get very bothered if I win an auction at or below what I was willing to pay, even if shilling is shown. That does not mean I find it acceptable behavior to shill, however--far from it.

xplainer 01-29-2016 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube (Post 1497419)
You'll be over all this in a month.
No sir, I won't. Some, maybe most, might be. But the memory remains.

xplainer 01-29-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1497435)
You can rest assured that if I ever sleep with any of your wives, I won't be able to explain and it'll be exactly what it looks like :D
No humor allowed. Post reported. :D

Stonepony 01-29-2016 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1497435)
You can rest assured that if I ever sleep with any of your wives, I won't be able to explain and it'll be exactly what it looks like :D
"Wives"? You mean there's no limit??

earlywynnfan 01-29-2016 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rdwyer (Post 1497245)
If Peter Calderon for example shill bidded, does that mean Heritage Auctions shill bids in their auctions?
Remember, HA has clearly stated that they reserve the right to bid up auctions if they feel the price isn't high enough. They may even just win the item themselves if they feel they can sell it directly for more. This was per Chris Ivy.

Ken


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