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thetahat 07-02-2020 02:44 PM

Mark, whoa that’s crazy! Quite possibly .... are there any other team buttons like this?

So I would have to think these aren’t Trench, they are nowhere near alike.

Domer05 07-03-2020 12:55 AM

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Wow Greg, I'm astonished by your observations. Yet again, you have presented a convincing case of a pennant series and/or common manufacturer.

I had not realized that these select name-on-the-body pennants were made by the "sliding runner" mystery maker. The "sliding runner" maker is of great interest to me. While they only made a small quantity of these name-on-the-body pennants and only for certain teams, they sure made a lot of these sliding runner pennants.

I'm stumped as to who this maker was; but, I'm quite certain it wasn't Trench. Many of the "sliding runner" pennants have no tassels and are monochrome. Trench was offering polychromatic graphics by the 1940s; and, except for a handful made in the year 1959, they always used tassels through 1970.

In addition to the "sliding runner" baseball series, this same maker also made an equally popular football series, which we may call "the Heisman" series. I'll let Fballguy tell you how common this design was in the 1940s....

Whoever this mystery maker was, they made a ton of pennants in the 1940s.

thetahat 07-03-2020 05:51 AM

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Yes that’s no doubt the same company. They also used simple team specific logos ... the Phillies Blue Jay pennants all fall into this style. Here’s another oddity that is common among these .... some have a spine in two pieces, but with unbroken stitching. So they were clearly produced this way. I have a few like this ....

bocca001 07-03-2020 07:29 AM

As I'm sure you know, that Heisman series is common (many schools) for college teams in the 1940s, as well as pro teams. I know you look for these things, Kyle, but it is hard to imagine that the schools (assuming they were sold by schools) were not ordering from some sort of catalog.

Fballguy 07-03-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 1995871)
As I'm sure you know, that Heisman series is common (many schools) for college teams in the 1940s, as well as pro teams. I know you look for these things, Kyle, but it is hard to imagine that the schools (assuming they were sold by schools) were not ordering from some sort of catalog.

Not just universities but high schools too! And not just NFL but AAFC too. Whoever the maker was they had the entire market cornered. And as mentioned...They made a lot. The sliding runner and stiff arm RB are the two most common styles from that era.

Domer05 07-03-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001 (Post 1995871)
As I'm sure you know, that Heisman series is common (many schools) for college teams in the 1940s, as well as pro teams. I know you look for these things, Kyle, but it is hard to imagine that the schools (assuming they were sold by schools) were not ordering from some sort of catalog.

Marc: I totally agree. This company probably offered one or two stock drawings for each customer/retailer/school; and this stiff arming running back seemed to be the most popular for football pennants.

Whoever this company was, they had a national market share on the same level as Trench. So, whoever they are ... we've probably come across their name somewhere before, perhaps on a non-pennant souvenir, e.g., pinback.

Fballguy would know, but I'm pretty sure "the Heisman" was always monochrome; and, more often than not, without tassels?

ooo-ribay 07-03-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 1995858)
Yes that’s no doubt the same company. They also used simple team specific logos ... the Phillies Blue Jay pennants all fall into this style. Here’s another oddity that is common among these .... some have a spine in two pieces, but with unbroken stitching. So they were clearly produced this way. I have a few like this ....

They must have really been pinching pennies if they were using spine scraps! :p

bocca001 07-03-2020 12:12 PM

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For the Heisman runner, mine have no tassels.

For the also common kicker, which I always assumed was the same maker (but maybe not?) I have with and without tassels (the one with tassels clearly older).

MK 07-03-2020 01:39 PM

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I assume maybe they made these over a period of 2 or 3 years and each batch had some differences. The number on the runner varies and the font of the letters is not the same.

ooo-ribay 07-04-2020 11:13 AM

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As you guys know, there are different variations of the sliding runner, other than just different numbers...


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