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ullmandds 01-29-2016 12:37 PM

I'm disappointed...I am...but in reality all aspects of life are filled with corruption. The best at a given skill/sport/vocation is almost always flawed in some way.

So we now all know for sure what we pretty much knew already. People will go to jail...some will leave the hobby...most wont. Many reputations will be trashed and ethics/morals questioned.

It seems to me the climate was/is that pretty much everyone is doing it...so if everyone is founds to be doing the same bad things...the repercussions wont be so bad as if it were just a few.

Hasn't something like this happened in just about every other type of collecting known to man.

I still love the cards...I always will. So now I know for sure what I pretty much already knew...I have been overpaying for my "stuff" for years.

glchen 01-29-2016 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1497342)
Is the only tactic available to bidders to counter act this stuff placing straight bids only?

Unfortunately, I think the only tactic to counter this shilling going on is to only bid in the Net54 Live Auctions where you know all of the bidder names for every auction.

Exhibitman 01-29-2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1497346)
Heritage has a Hall of Fame Library thief working for them...doubt they even care about this.

I didn't know library thieves had a hall of fame. Is it in Ohio and if so anywhere near the IX Center?

Sorry...resume witch hunt.

ullmandds 01-29-2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen (Post 1497357)
Unfortunately, I think the only tactic to counter this shilling going on is to only bid in the Net54 Live Auctions where you know all of the bidder names for every auction.

gonna be some slim pickins!

Mark 01-29-2016 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1497356)
I'm disappointed...I am...but in reality all aspects of life are filled with corruption. The best at a given skill/sport/vocation is almost always flawed in some way.

So we now all know for sure what we pretty much knew already. People will go to jail...some will leave the hobby...most wont. Many reputations will be trashed and ethics/morals questioned.

It seems to me the climate was/is that pretty much everyone is doing it...so if everyone is founds to be doing the same bad things...the repercussions wont be so bad as if it were just a few.

Hasn't something like this happened in just about every other type of collecting known to man.

This sort of thing happens a lot in many places, such as Russia.

rdwyer 01-29-2016 12:52 PM

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Heaven forbid.
I would think that an auction house that bars me from bidding, and from their website, for having my autograph opinions quoted in Nash's HOS (they said I worked for him, did not know giving opinions would be called working) would not also be a shill bidder.
fyi - I never bid with them on anything.
I was using Peter Calderon for an example. Others involved with AH's did the same thing. So does that mean those companies would also shill bid with their latest auction? The lesson I learned from all this, is not to trust any of the AH's.

ullmandds 01-29-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark (Post 1497363)
This sort of thing happens a lot in many places, such as Russia.

ha...much worse happens in russia!

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1497360)
I didn't know library thieves had a hall of fame. Is it in Ohio and if so anywhere near the IX Center?

Sorry...resume witch hunt.

???

Econteachert205 01-29-2016 01:00 PM

In soviet Russia bids shill you!

T206Collector 01-29-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Econteachert205 (Post 1497371)
In soviet Russia bids shill you!

Great post. :p


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