I can't recall if this one has been previously posted or not, but I found 4 variations of this variation.

First one is a break in the line above the "H" in the stats header line. Second one is the partial obscuration of the "H". Third/fourth, as seen in the last two images, the nearly complete obscuration of the "H" with the last one causing a line break above.

This mark on the left edge is recurring; it seems to manifest a little differently on cards with it, appearing somewhere between his shoulder to his cap.

Gibson RC
 

Just picked this up.

Nice!

I hope our Cardinals guy isn't watching this thread today!

That's a cool one though. I need to come up with a reason to justify not looking for an extra Gibson rookie now

I'm thinking Al probably has several without any printing in the 'personal information' box on the Gibson rookie card. :)

New one for me but am currently looking like mad for it here in Torshavn in the Faroe Islands. Getting funny looks when I ssk and I do not speak Dane

Ink explosions are one of my favorite recurring print errors, the sheet this card was on also has recurring ink explosions for Jim Palmer, Cesar Cedeno, Rick Miller, and probably more.

73 Evans
 

Here's another...

This Gibson may come up for sale. :)

1967 Topps willie mccovey 480
 

Really thought I was done with 1967…….but decided to picked up 4 more cards

460 killebrew✅
480 mccovey ✅
485 McCarver ✅
531 7th series CL ✅

…..just for the fun of it….(and a complete 6th series set for maybe future 4th set)

I noticed the ink dots of black and green and had to have it……anybody see before?

For the love of crackers..... Someone PLEASE tell me that the 1959 Topps Bob Gibson print defect is NOT reoccurring.

Oh, it is not reoccurring? That's the only one in existence and it was just a fluke? What a relief! Thanks so much.

Here is a Cardinal that is less bad than Gibson! Ken Boyer in 1965 comes with or without a pink splotch (recurring) in the banner beneath the team logo and next to "C".

Also recurring, his World Series card #135 comes with a little red spot/squiggle/thing in the bottom border

And while I have the 65's out, McLain's rookie #236 comes with or without the red dot right below the team logo. Here's 2 copies of it.

1968 topps ferguson jenkins #410 - missing black ink in lower right corner. Reoccurring. Plenty available on ebay.

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1963 Topps Power Plus #242 - reoccurring- missing partial black border at top right.

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1968 Bob Gibson World Series Card
 

I came across this in a recent lot I purchased. There is a white streak to the left of his cap.

Nice find, this white streak is recurring. Some where in this thread I posted my copy.

Last name missing on this 1958 Moe Drabowsky. It doesn't appear to be erased.

Nice find! See posts #1552 and #1553 for the other cards affected along with Drabowsky. https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...187722&page=32

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Recurring red print blob right above jersey number 32. 1958 Topps #428 Cincinnati Reds checklist. From the ones I could see on COMC, it is only on the Alphabetical checklist back. Not sure about that, though.

1966 Topps tri color back
 

Sorting my 1966 Topps set……I notice two tri color, maybe faded backs…

Looks like the effects of sun fade on the card to the right

1960 Willie Mays
 

I have a 1960 Willie Mays with a Dick Ricketts back. Will post picture later.

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Card 103 in the 1967 set, the Mickey Mantle checklist has two standard variations. 170 is D. McAuliffe or D| McAuliffe (where the period is a streak), which PSA lists as the "D McAuliffe" variant.

Here's one PSA graded as an 8 (so should not have any surface damage) that has neither the period or the streak. Is this a valid third recurring print variation, or just a one-off?

If so, I guess PSA would label it "No period or streak" if they were to verify it again. I think the grader didn't even realize the period was supposed to be a streak on this card, because the variation type is inaccurate/vague in PSA's database.

They are in the same Series, I am guessing the Ricketts back is upside down and off center. That would mean the back of the sheet was printed upside down from the front.

Football Card Question
 

This is not inline with this thread, but I wonder about this and hope someone can answer it.

In the beginning days of the AFL, Fleer issued 132 cards of AFL players only in the inaugural year of 1960. They issued 88 cards in 1962 and 1963 before ending their contributions. In 1961 BOTH Topps and Fleer put out cards with the first 2/3 of the sets being NFL and the last 1/3 being AFL players. Why did this happen and why did they stop doing it the next year? I know Fleer had 220 cards and think Topps had about the same more-than-normal amount of cards as well. Were there legalities involved? I know in 1959 Fleer only issued th eTed Williams set and then in 1960 and 1961 issued stars from the past, to avoid issues with Topps, I assume. IN 1963 they did issue 66 current players but put cookies in the wrappers instead of gum.

Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.

Post it in the football section. No reason to waste space in this thread.

Various Miscuts
 

Here are some various miscuts from a recent purchase. The 1971 checklist is my favorite.

1972 Topps Young Willie Stargell #343
Copyright symbol missing along with partial T.C.G. missing.

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Did a quick check. Pop’s is gonna be a bit of a hard find.

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1972 Topps Al Oliver #575

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Just want to say that Tom, like John, has over the years made a lot of great contributions to this baseball thread.... and to this important variations effort that includes baseball, football and basketball

http://baseballcardvariationsguidebo...wordpress.com/

Maybe I was too brusque, but I figured the right person to answer wouldn't really be reading the back end of this thread, or whoever may try to find the answer in the future would be looking in the proper section.

And a recurring variation (bottom right corners has missing border and green squares):
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1953 Bowman Color - [Base] #25 - Hoot Evers
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1953 Bowman Variations
 

Notice the issues with these. I am assuming thesis OK to post since it is baseball (?).

I’m looking for excuses to keep hunting for 50’s Bowman commons, so this is fantastic

Darn John. I have the green box version in my set but never noticed it. Now I need a 'regular" one :)

Thanks for sharing these Thomas.

1963 Topps Don Leppert #243. Vertical magenta line at right border. Somr have it, some don’t.

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Every 1963 Tony Stallard #419 has a red square in the upper left corner. At least every one that I’ve seen. If one without exists and you own it I would go out on a limb and say it’s scarce.

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1964 Topps #16 John Boozer “snot rocket” variant

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Hahaha, looks like he is blowing a booger bubble.

Couple of follow ups to prior posts

Ok, sorting my 1965 Topps and found an over inked 431 cardinals RC.

The few I have seen over the years on eBay were much more severe where the black ink completely covered Briles’ name, I think yours would be a transitional error. Unfortunately I was never able to pick one up, Al probably has one. ETA: found this scan from WorthPoint.

CRUD MUFFINS! Another Cardinals variation!

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1953 Bowman (Color) #9 Phil Rizzuto. Rizzuto comes with or without a blue dash in the upper left border. It appears that it is not on all cards, even those with a large top border can come without it. Both versions appear to me to be easy to find.

Discovered this one when I bought a copy at a local show to replace my current copy that has tape stains and doesn't fit into my raw stack well. Instead I discovered a variant and that I need to upgrade and replace my copy again.

This example to show it is less ugly than my copy.

1965 Topps American League RBI leaders # 5 with mantle……yellow smear?

Was able to land a really nice PSA 9 1972 Topps #607 Frank Duffy 'yellow letter' variation (card on the right), and realized there seems to generally be three, not two, versions of the card.

The one on left is the full green version, but between it and the 'fully' yellow version, there is a bit of a hybrid example, where the letter bottom green is lighter, but intact, and the upper green portions on the inside of the letters are almost completely gone...

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I assume this is due to a 'weakening' of the cyan ink, because you can see how (most notably) the sky moves from dark blue to much lighter blue across the three versions.

Green/red upper lip...not sure what he ate before the photo shoot.

1959 #514 Gibson
 

This one is eerily similar to the 1957's.

1957 Back Errors
 

Here are four really wild overprinted backs from one of my favorite sets.

1957 Backs
 

Here are four missing ink card backs to rival the Bakep one. I never understand why Bakep commands such interest and high prices. There were all commons less than $10, except maybe Ford.

1965 Topps Wilbur woods 478
 

Back leak? I just found another on eBay so I guess reoccurring?

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1969 Topps - [Base] #582.1 - High # - 7th Series (Tony Oliva) (White Circle on Back)
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Line break in the circle containing the card number. Recurring print defect.

'61 Post Red.

Extreme difference in quality and color with this card. No premium for either.

You can get a perfect registration Blue bgrnd.

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The Bakep like the Herrer just got early hobby recognition before eBay and seller/dealer scans showed how many cards have similar scarce recurring defects. Ongoing recognition by grading companies make them must have’s for master collectors.

For a time Lemke included some border break cards in the SCD Catalog as variations until it became obvious that such defects were commonplace

A bigger mystery to me was PSA’s much more recent recognition of the 61 Fairly with the green smudge in the baseball on the back, a defect that shows up on several other 61 cards

Someone needs to be appointed The Hobby Commissioner of Variations to get control of these things. I nominate you Thomas :)

I've given up on them all, but most 1961 Posts can be found with this like with widely varying color differences in the images that seem to relate to different productions and not just differing levels of ink at the moment a particular sheet was ran.

I'm assuming it's already known, but besides the color difference, I noticed there is also a big cropping difference between those two 1961 Post cards. Most notably the amount of hand appearing below his chin...

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Post Cereal Variations.
 

The two Red Schoendienst cards look different because they came from two different cereal panels. The top card came from a 12 oz Post Toasties panel and the bottom one came from a 14 oz Raisin Bran panel. It is common (in fact a certainty) that a player's cards coming from different box panels will have differences. Could be color. Could be picture cropping (look at the difference in the Schoendienst hand at the bottom of these two cards and you certainly see more of his hand in the lower card). Adhesive marking (or lack of) on the back of the card is another clue for some of the players.

Wow, thanks for the comments, I had no idea. I figured the contrast was so stark this had to be noticed by people before. Are other players cards this obviously discernible? I guess because both are meant to be just as they are neither can be a variation. Hence why I've never heard of post cereal variations.

1968 Topps Vern Fuller #71. Yellow streak on hat.

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1953 Topps #46 Klippstein
 

I just saw that my card had the yellow line at the top so I bought the other one as a contrast. These are very common in both versions. A look on eBay shows that about 90% do not have the line and 10% DO have the line. The "ear ring" appears to show up on the lined versions.

1968 Topps Glenn Beckert #101 partial right black border missing.

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post variations.
 

All players who made appearances on multiple panels have multiple card variations ... one unique variation for each of the appearances. Now some are easier to spot than others. But the differences are there. Color is not the best way to determine variations because during production, colors can change a bit. Amount of ink. Different print runs. Stuff like that. But it is an indicator. Picture cropping is the best and most certain determinate. As I said, whether a not a card has packaging adhesive marking on the back is a clue. Also differences in the narrative occur occasionally with one box having a word or two different from another for a player.

There are a handful of advanced Post Cereal collectors who go after a Master Set for each of the Post Cereal card promotions. A Master Set is a card for every cereal box panel a player made an appearance on. It is challenging but there are reference book out there written by Dan Mabey that help and let one know the universe of a master set in terms of how many variations each Baseball player has out there in each of the sets (I wrote a similiar book on the 1962 Post Cereal Football Promotion).

Collecting Post master sets is so much more challenging and fulfilling than going after other sets. Rather than a basic Post set of 200 cards, one is looking for many more cards. For example in the 1962 Post master set there is something like 550 cards. And all variations are not printed equally in terms of quantity. The popular cereal aimed at kids (Sugar Crisp, Alpha-Bits) have cards that are very common. Large boxes because families were cost conscious are also very common compared to smaller boxes of the same cereal. At the other end of the scale, adult focus cereal are less available. And if a player came on a small Grape-Nuts box ... good luck. So very tough.

Price guides have never recognized many variation. Mostly on narrative differences due to a player being on two different boxes.

Did I put you to sleep?

Ken is one of the most knowledgeable experts on all things Post cereal as well as 1962 and 1963 Jello cards. Anything he says you can take to the bank!

Um...you do realize you referred to the exact same thing I did (with pictures) in the very post before yours (and 48 minutes earlier), right?????

Sorry, I don't see where you referenced the cards came from two different cereals as Ken did, nor did you ID the cereal "flavors", or the adhesive markings that he noted.

Thus I don't think you can say quote "you do realize you referred to the EXACT same thing I did" Rather he EXPANDED on the differences. And noted one thing of many in his post that mentioned the same cropping difference as you did

I thought NET 54 was there for information/learning etc. not who is first with information.

Are you being serious right now??? I quoted someone else, NOT you, so how the eff do you fit into this?????

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1951 Bowman - [Base] #72 - Lloyd Merriman
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Recurring yellow blemish at the bottom right corner.

Good one John

Recurring red line at bottom.

Wow, Fred. This guy is something. Totally agree with you and thank you. Way more information provided than this gentleman. And in the second post later, went even further.

And for those of you who don’t know Fred, he is absolutely on the top tier of (Post Cereal) collectors. And very knowledgeable. He’s also probably the top Hartland collector, exhibit card collector, and Salada coin collector …. among other things. He collects an awful lot of different things and is has to be one of the top collectors in the country. A go to Guy for sure.

Look, everybody, this random, self-involved internet twat wants to pretend that I'm the bad guy here. Gee, how am I ever going to get past this pathetic dipshit of a clown not liking me?????

Mr. Elm, sir, you need to put down the coffee cup, get off the ledge, and find a cool spot to sit in. Yes, he appeared to elaborate on without acknowledging your earlier post. Might be a misdemeanor, but definitely not a felony. You also get credit for the images. But you need to drop the matter now. It's not the hill to die on.

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I type pretty slowly. And while I'm typing I cant see if another response comes in that's similar.
When stuff like this happens, and it does occasionally, I just figure the other guy either started earlier or types faster.

Can I just say I love all of you. Mainly because we all share the same joys of cardboard but also because all of you have a vast amount of knowledge to share with everyone else regarding the cardboard. That knowledge over the years/decades inevitably has spilled over into each one of our lives in one way or another and we will inevitably from time to time share the same information or in my case, sometimes share photos of previously mentioned variations already mentioned in this fun, lengthy thread. I appreciate the grace others have shown me and try my best to extend the same to others. Ken, Fred, and Elm have all been wonderful to deal with in the past and are all tremendous assets to this community. All much more so than myself.

Having said that, would anyone like me to mail this to them for free?

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Many pages earlier in this tread, in a moment of mass hysteria, some off us discussed doing an index to all the variants in here. After a brief aborted attempt we gave up and let it roll on. At times, when I wonder before posting something if I should first go back and check the 33 pages of prior scans to see it it was already posted, I always decide, screw that.

But I once did go back through all the pages when we were around 30 and there is some really cool stuff in here