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thetahat 05-02-2020 05:06 PM

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Speaking of weird screening textures ... came across this while continuing my inventory. There was apparently a brief period - perhaps 1960-61 - when the print had a velvet-like feel to it. I can date these by the picture pennants of the era, I know Phillies, Pirates, and Orioles all have it. Also this simple Phillies pennant below. Additionally, the 3D pennants have it. For whatever reason, it didn’t last long.

Oh ... and those are FANTASTIC Giants pennants ... truly works of art!

rlevy 05-03-2020 03:11 PM

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sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

ooo-ribay 05-03-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 1977252)
sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

I haven't seen that particular one, but I'm 99.9% sure it's modern.

ooo-ribay 05-03-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 1976970)
Speaking of weird screening textures ... came across this while continuing my inventory. There was apparently a brief period - perhaps 1960-61 - when the print had a velvet-like feel to it. I can date these by the picture pennants of the era, I know Phillies, Pirates, and Orioles all have it. Also this simple Phillies pennant below. Additionally, the 3D pennants have it. For whatever reason, it didn’t last long.

I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

bocca001 05-03-2020 05:00 PM

Nice pennant, Rob. I've never seen that one in my 5+ years of Giants pennant collecting. I know that design is more common for some teams and rare for others. The Oakland A's version sold on ebay earlier this year for decent money, and I think I recall seeing an Oakland A's version that was specifically for Vida Blue.

perezfan 05-03-2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rlevy (Post 1977252)
sold for $211, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. No picture of the back nor of the tip. I assumed it was something more modern, but then saw the price it sold for. I can''t tell if it is raised felt or screen printed from the picture. I'm always trying to learn about these things. The seller didn't use the word "vintage" to describe it, but did refer to themselves as specialists in vintage items 5 times in their description.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-BROOKL...orig_cvip=true

thanks,
Rick

Obvious reproduction/fake....

For some reason, this one gets pawned off as vintage more often than any other Mitchell & Ness Reproduction. It is new and does not even resemble a vintage pennant. I have had to call respected Auction Houses on 3 separate occasions, about this particular pennant alone. They've all eventually taken it down, but not without a struggle.

The consignor is either just a stubborn fool who can't tell the difference, or one of the most tenacious con men in the hobby.

bocca001 05-03-2020 05:15 PM

Oakland hat pennant
 
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Here is the Oakland hat pennant. If anyone has the Giants or A's and would part with it, let me know.

What other teams have this design?

perezfan 05-03-2020 05:25 PM

Click on link below, and pay special attention to the provided description....

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...orld-479760996

rlevy 05-03-2020 05:51 PM

Thanks Guys. I hadn't run across it before. I wonder if the bidders knew what they were bidding on?

Rick

Domer05 05-03-2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1977271)
I wonder if that "velvet-like" feel would be known as "flocking"? Flocking is applying very short fibers to adhesive. I have a similar pennant without the velvet feel. I always assumed mine was 1970s and should have been licensed but was not.

P.S. this is not a pennant you see very often. I can't remember the last one I saw...

If a pennant's graphics exhibit a raised velvet-like feel, then yes this is what they marketed as a flocked pennant. The process was used by a small handful of manufacturers beginning in the 1940s. Two companies in particular made it their signature design element: Collegiate Mfg. Co. and Chicago Pennant Co.

Collegiate of Ames branded pennants made using their flocking process as "Chromtone" pennants and marketed their pennants under this snazzy name. Chipenco followed suit; except they dubbed their flocking method "A Silvet Process." Despite the two names, they made their pennants the same way. Essentially, you screen on a base layer in white that's sticky. Then you dump a bunch of white "flock," i.e., ground felt dust, atop the pennant. The flock is then cured to the pennant via a heat treatment. The excess flock is removed. Finally, the secondary colors are applied via block-out stencils to the design.

The main advantage to flocking is that the graphics will never crack like they will on a screen printed pennant, using screen printer's paints.

Today, Collegiate Pacific still utilizes this premium production method on all of their felt products.


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