Ppie
 

Hi Mike,

I'm no pennant expert but I think the S.F. one is almost certainly for the Pan Pacific International Exposition. Here's a button from my collection...

Pittsburgh pennants
 

Here’s some nice color combo Forbes Field pennants

Good call Andy.

Haven't added much lately but was glad to find this one...

First time I've seen one for sale.

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Wow, that's in such great condition. Is that older version of that graphic; or the newer?

Any evidence of tassels?

I'd say this one is definitely from the 60's with stadium flags similar to the Raiders and Cowboys versions. You can see the mesh imprint in the screen printing as well...which I believe would put it in the 60s.

One interesting variation on this one...the people in the stadium look like people complete with waving arms. The Cowboys and Raiders versions just have ink blobs representing the crowd. Another difference, the Rams punter has cuffs on the sleeves of his jersey. The Raiders and Cowboys...and the 1940s version of the punter, don't.

Fantastic pickup, Rob...

J E A L O U S of that one... what a beauty!

Liked the orange and black on this one

Good call, Andy, on the 1915 Pan Pacific Pennant. Almost certainly, that's what it is...

As for the Chicago version, I have seen countless pennants over the decades, in which a sports team pennant shared the same image/graphics as a non-sports pennant. I have seen very specific Cleveland Indians and Detroit Tigers Pennants in which the same exact mascot was used for a zoo, national/state park, or city souvenir pennant. The companies that made these had a "library" of sorts, and utilized these images as appropriate. They did not always create a new image for every pennant and did not limit many of the images to sports.

That said... I still strongly believe the Chicago version is a Cubs Pennant. They always used burgundy for their pre-1920 pennants. The Chicago Bears came to exist in 1922, and oversized pennants were all but gone by then. As for it being a non-sports pennant, of course that remains a slight possibility. But whereas the Bear made complete sense for California (it is the California State Animal, and is prominent on the State Flag), it makes little/no sense for Chicago (other than for the Cubs). Furthermore, the Cubs used a full Bear Mascot back then, as opposed to the later cute Cubbie type mascot.

Just my 2 cents...

Also...

I know this is a pennant thread, but GORGEOUS PIN, Andy...

That is some beautiful artwork and the Bear charm is just awesome!

Ppie
 

Thanks Mark, I sold a lot of 6 PPIE buttons last night on Ebay and just couldn't get myself to add this one to the lot. It's a keeper.

Ditto on all that. Pennant makers definitely re-used their own artwork wherever they could. In many sales catalogues they offered their customers, they would brag about their vast collection of stock artwork you could select from. Typically, this concerned mascots. In some cases, say for something really popular, like a bear, they'd offer 2-3 different variants of the bear. One might be a realistic bear; another might be a cartoonish bear; and still another might feature a third bear posed differently or from an alternative angle.

And, you make a really good case about that Cubs pennant, Mark. I can think of no reason why you would associate a Grizzly Bear with the city of Chicago--unless you were trying to sell it outside the gates of Wrigley Field (or, was it Weeghman Park back in those days?).

Hard to say! I think the Chicago Ballpark was transitioning right about the time this pennant would've been produced. Great insights!

1910s Oakland Oaks PCL pennant??
 

I just picked this pennant up. I'm curious if any of you PCL experts can weigh-in as to whether this may be an Oakland Oaks (or, Acorns, as they were also known as) PCL pennant; or, just a generic city of Oakland, California souvenir pennant?

The tag reads "Newman Mfg. Co. / 883 Market St. / San Francisco ". I did some research on this manufacturer and found a listing for them in a 1922 San Francisco Chamber of Commerce directory; albeit, at a different address located just around the corner.

The pennant is a standard full size at 30" in length--so, it's not oversized like many from the early part of the century. But it is entirely sewn letter; and the style of the manufacturer's logo is very consistent with those from the turn of the century. I would therefore guess this pennant came from the 1910s.

I'm also aware that the San Francisco Seals and the Oaks/Acorns were owned by the same owner back in those days; and, as a result, played many of their home games in San Francisco at Recreation Park as early as 1907. They played there off and on through the early 1920s, in fact.

So, if this is an Oaks/Acorns pennant, that might explain why it was made by a San Francisco manufacturer.

I think their team colors were also blue/white back in the 1910s, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

Anyway, penny for your thoughts?

Oilers pennant
 

Found this Oilers pennant today at an antique mall. I'd never seen it before. The older looking helmet makes me think that it is from the early days of the Oilers.

Oh man...Extremely jealous. Great score. Never saw that before. I've looked in several antique malls around Houston hoping for that kind of find. No such luck.

Very cool Marc!

Vintage football
 

I got the pennant and this other stuff at the Caroyln Thompson antique mall. A decent amount of sports stuff there for a mall (sorry for the non-pennant content... but there are cheerleaders).

Love the snake venom cola can. That's 35 minutes from my house. I was at the Whole Foods about 5 minutes from there earlier today. Never been to the mall.

That is so sweet! Gotta be one of their very first pennants (if not the first).

Well... there is less Oilers stuff there now.

Thanks! I was excited to see it and to be able to get it for a reasonable price. Older NFL pennants (at least 49ers and Oliers) have been selling for (what seem to me) very strong prices lately and I've been an underbidder on several lately.

Is it soft or stiff (that's what she said).

The Oilers pennant... ;)

I’m not a football guy, but that seems like a very unusual pennant. Nice find!

The Oilers pennant is very soft.

I’ve never seen that Oilers pennant. Must be pretty rare. Nice pick up

Here's my 2 cents for your penny... :p

I love that pennant and especially since it's labeled. 99% of my pennants are not labeled. Unfortunately, I don't think it's an Oaks pennants. My quickie research shows the early Oaks used a color scheme of green and yellow (like the Modern A's) with a bit of red in their "insignias". It wasn't until the 1950s (maybe 1940s) that they went to red and blue on white unis. I could definitely be wrong on this, though...

1910s Oakland Oaks PCL pennant??
 

I appreciate your two cents!

I can't dispute anything you said. I myself am skeptical of these crossover travel/baseball pennants from the early part of the century. It is highly unusual to find sewn letter pennants like mine from that era used for anything other than collegiate, travel, or advertising purposes. Professional baseball? Not so much....

I still don't know about the Oaks' uniform colors from that era. I think their colors--much like their team name and ballpark location--changed frequently during that era. Finding a color picture of their uniform from then isn't easy either. They could have been green/yellow in 1916; then blue/white in 1917. Nothing was consistent back in those days.

A few years ago a follower of this thread posted the below Oaks pennants from the same era we're talking about. It's a stunner! So good, I'm gonna re-post it in all its glory below.

Note that the uniform depicted is blue/white, much like my pennant believed to be from the same era....

So, who knows for certain, right? Certainty in this hobby isn't common either, is it?

Hardly conclusive but adding to the intrigue...This from a 2014 Ebay auction:

Rare c. 1913 felt pennant from the Oakland Oaks Baseball Team. Measures a 29 inches across and condition is VERY nice. From the collection of a 1908-1915 Minor League Baseball Player from the era and I have a couple other pennants including an Centralia pennant and a pictoral Aberdeen Washington pennant as well! There are no specific markings identifying it as baseball but most pennants of the era were like this. Considering the collection it came from I have NO doubt this was used by a baseball fan to root on the Oakland Oaks, especially since dark blue and white were the Oaks colors as well!
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One other note...It's interesting that the Oakland Oaks baseball team and the Oakland Oaks basketball team used the same mascot. This guys:

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1910s Oakland Oaks PCL pennant??
 

As best I can tell, the Oaks did sport a blue/white uniform by ca. 1912. There's a few different tobacco cards from that era that depict such a uniform. See below.

By the latter portion of the decade, the Oaks used a different uniform than the one below. I wondered if this one perhaps was the early green/yellow one they may have also worn? Then I found this 1918 movie footage of the Oaks and their opening day festivities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u-uQBv7H1Y

Obviously, this footage has been colorized. But, however they colorize these old movies ... they made these uniforms blue/white, too.

So, who knows?

It's a cool movie clip either way and that first uniform is totally sweet.

Repro
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-VINTAG...d&LH_Auction=1

Who are the suckers paying high dollar for non period pennants? There is also a vintage "1946" Red Sox pennant currently for sale. I guess because these were produced many years ago, I think mid-late 70's, the vintage label isn't being deceptive. However claiming vintage and leaving out the date of manufacture its aim is to take advantage of the novice collector.

That’s not even in good condition. A seller with hearly 50,000 feedbacks ought to know better. :mad:

I see this garbage every time I search vintage pennants on eBay. In addition to it being obviously post-1970s, it's just ugly. There's nothing attractive or artistic to any of these poorly made generic repros.

Maybe a few years down the road, there will be a legitimate market for "vintage reproductions". Apparently one man's trash is becoming another man's treasure.

Good lord!!! 290 bucks!?!?!?

Found these three at my friends shop recently. I’m very intrigued by the Press Club of Chicago and Modern pennants (both made by National of Chicago). Anyone have have info on those, please let me know.

Do you have picture of the maker's mark, label, or tag you can share? That manufacturer doesn't sound familiar to me.

I didn’t remember the full name National Badge and Pennant Company

National Badge & Pennant Co.
 

Honestly, I've never heard of them. Which surprised me because I've become quite familiar with a half dozen different pennant makers from Chicago; and I cannot recall ever seeing one of their pennants.

Which tells me they probably never manufactured sports pennants.

The Illinois corporate registry from 1915 lists them as having incorporated as a for profit business by 1914. Here's two ads I found in the Directory and Register of Women's Clubs, City of Chicago and Vicinity (1915) and The Dry Goods Economist (1918) that list their address as 105 W. Madison St., a building in the loop that still stands today.

From the style of your two pennants I'd say either could be from the 1910s when these ads were placed.

Another label
 

This is a somewhat recent pickup. I just noticed that it has a label (Pacific Athletic Co).

Pacific Athletic co.
 

That's a cool Santa Clara pennant. I've always liked that tag because it's colorized. The slogan, "Be Specific - Say Pacific" is kind of a nice touch, too.

As far as I can tell this company dates back to at least 1913 when they were known as the Pacific Pennant & Novelty Co., located at 244-46 New High Street in downtown Los Angeles, CA. They were one of the biggest pennant makers on the west coast for the first half of the 20th century and they made a lot of Pac 12 collegiate pennants during that time.

I've always thought your tag was one they used throughout the 1940s. By then they had changed their name to Pacific Athletic Co. because they were making a lot more than just pennants; namely athletic uniforms and apparel.

By the 1950s they moved out of Los Angeles to the nearby suburb of Gardena, CA where they set up shop at 14501 S. Figueroa Blvd. This apparently prompted a label re-design, see below.

In 1956 Pacific Athletic Co. was acquired by Collegiate Mfg. Co. of Ames, IA. From then on, the resulting company re-branded itself as Collegiate-Pacific. Manufacturing of all felt novelty products would eventually shift to their Roanoke, VA site where pennants are still being made today.

Pacific Athletic Co. made some really cool pennants over the years. Look for their tagging on pennants for UCLA, Cal, Stanford and a ton of smaller colleges and high schools from California and the west coast.

It is a problem for the novice (me) trying to determine what is of the period and what is a reproduction. I am just trying to put together some decent looking pennants for a ceiling project in the hobby room.

Lotta good info in the 53 pages of this thread! :p

I have been collecting for a few decades and I never gave pennants a second thought until I became a member here. I am amazed at what has managed to survive the decades. The colors, variations is unreal. The information on this thread is invaluable but I need someone to look over my shoulder while I peruse pennants on ebay!

I am just interested in creating one or two circular patterns like this collector:

I did the "wheel" in our old house:

JF Kennedy Cup
 

Can’t be too many of these floating around. I had a jersey from a team from a Vancouver that played in this tourney, in’67, representing Canada.

https://www.protagonistsoccer.com/kickingback/jfk

“The cup competition made it’s debut in 1961, guaranteeing the participation of players from the entire west coast of the United States and President Kennedy lent his name to the trophy as a component of his physical fitness campaign. He had established a Council on Youth Fitness as early as 1956, but, once he was president, Kennedy retitled the program as The President’s Council on Physical Fitness. The Cup is unique, in that it is the only sporting award President Kennedy ever put his name to. The cup competition, known as the Pacific Coast International Championship, ran from1961 to 1967 and was largely dominated by the Mexican Select sides.

Hey, Dean - would you like to be sent "good deals" (via PM) on eBay? Every once in a while, I see Giants pennants I already own but think, "Damn, that's a good deal!" There's one such $30 pennant on there, right now. I'll bet other guys see such "deals" as well.

YES PLEASE!

Thank you.

That is cool.

The $30 “deal” got snagged. I’ll keep you in mind. I’m sure I’ll see more.

Here's a throwback photo for all the Boston fans. I'm sure these were all about $1 each in 1968.

I love those kind of pics! What is the “New York Sportsmen(?)” pennant?

Might have been the Sportsman Show. I’ve seen many like that over the years.

Twins Enterprises, Inc. (TEI) / '47
 

Isn't that an awesome photo? I took the Fenway Park tour earlier this year and learned a bit more about it. The photo depicts the D'Angelo brothers; two twins that started a souvenir business in the streets outside Fenway Park in 1947. There they sold mostly pennants and other merch from a street cart. Eventually they opened a brick and mortar store along Jersey Street that stands today and functions as the Red Sox's team store.

Today the company has re-branded under the name "'47" and they offer all kinds of sportswear for MLB.

As best I can tell neither TEI nor '47 made their own pennants; they used an outside supplier that, based on this 1968 photo, appears to have been Trench.

Here's a contemporary photo of the store's interior showing the very same wall--with one or two less pennants for sale :rolleyes:

Don’t see any Keezer pennants ... would have expected to see some, given the location ... I guess by then Keezer May have stopped making sports pennants.

Jackie Robinson All Stars Pennant
 

Happy Thanksgiving. I appreciate all the positive comments and feedback.

Has anybody ever seen another? Value Price?

Mike Mays

Jackie Robinson All Stars Pennant
 

Jackie Robinson All Stars Pennant.
Value? Price? Rarity? Scarcity?

Very rare... one surfaces maybe every 5 years.

Pricing as follows...

Condition/Value:
Good $500
VG $900
EX $1,200
EXMT $1,500
NRMT $1,800

Which version do you have, or are you inquiring about? (see pics below).

The beaten up green one is the rarer of the two styles, and would likely sell for a bit more at auction (assuming the condition was similar for both). Both versions are 3/4 size.

did anyone pick up that old Syracuse University Baseball Pennant a while back? If so I am interested if you ever want to move it.

OK.... I see you've edited your post to include a version I have personally never seen before. I like it better than the other more generic ones. Usually if I like something better, so does the general public... as evidenced by inevitably escalating auction prices.

So the one you pictured is probably worth a bit more than the prices I stated for the two others. I'd guess 15 - 20% higher... but you never know until it goes to auction. Hope this helps!

pennant lot
 

Recently purchased a group of pennants that included ones I will be looking to resell (haven't received them yet), and was hoping some of you could help me out with some info on dates and pricing ranges. I believe the Pittsburgh one is from the 40's, the rest from the 50's and 60's. The Redlegs one has a Frank Robinson auto, which I believe is real but has no authentication. I was told the Yankees photo pennant was from 1961. I believe they all have pinholes and are probably in vg-ex condition. For most of them, I couldn't find the exact ones in these colors on ebay.

Thanks for your assistance,
Rick

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Pirates $75
Redlegs $125 (contingent upon auto being authentic)
Yankees with photo $125
Indians $40
Orioles $65
Yankees $40

Hope this helps!

Beautiful Jackie Robinson pennants. Would love to have one for my Dodgers collection.

Very helpful, thanks Mark. I guess it makes sense for me to take it JSA when they make a local appearance. Do you think a sticker on the back for the auto would be a problem. I think LOA's (instead of the sticker) cost extra.

thanks again!

Rick

A sticker on the back would not bother me personally. On the front of the pennant is a different story.

Probably worth a bit more than the $125 if you can provide the authentication.

Best of luck!

Who is the autograph?

Personally, I’m not a fan of autographs on pennants.

The Redlegs pennant has Frank Robinson's signature on it. If you are going to have someone vintage from that team, he is probably right up there. I understand what you are saying about signatures on pennants, but I'm sure there are some collectors who may like them with signatures. I know I wouldn't mind having a 1963 Dodgers pennant signed by Koufax.

Rick

Frank Robinson (recently deceased) is perhaps the best signature you could have on that early '60s Reds pennant. Signed pennants are not exactly my cup of tea either, but there are collectors out there for almost everything. He signed in the best spot possible... ink on felt is not a good look, and it looks much cleaner against the painted background.

This piece is lots cooler than a signed ball or photo, IMHO.

Rick and Mark - agree that it's a great sig and put in the best place.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Thanks Rob and Mark, I always appreciate your input. Hope you have a great weekend.

Rick

Kyle...Per my message.

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G.B. Feld Co.
 

I've never actually seen this mark before; but, I figured there had to be a few out there in circulation. Great find, thanks for sharing.

Earlier this year I wrote a piece over on Pennant Fever covering WGN Flag Co. You can read it here: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/blog...ry/wgn-flag-co There, I attributed this particular graphic design to WGN's pennants. In that piece, and toward the end under "KEY PRODUCTS, " I discussed something that the current owner of WGN shared with me: sometime in the 1960s or 70s WGN used another pennant maker to supply their pennants. He identified that company as the G.B. Feld Co. of Chicago, IL. I suspect this SMU pennant was in fact manufactured by G.B. Feld; and subsequently distributed by WGN during this era.

That would explain why the artwork is the same as others bearing no such mark; and which I attribute to WGN. They probably just shared artwork.

WGN's owner also shared with me that many of the products his company offered were in fact manufactured by outside vendors. Their nodders, pinbacks, etc. were likely supplied to them by others. I asked him if that were true of their pennants, and he couldn't really answer, as the company had pretty much moved away from pennants by the time he was born. Nor could he identify the artist behind many of these great designs. That suggests to me that WGN may have always used an outside supplier for their pennants--not just in the 1970s.

If true, that maker likely would have been G.B. Feld. Mr. Newbould and Mr. Feld seemed like natural business partners. The two companies were located near each other on Chicago's south side.

This SMU pennant's kind of different from the WGN ones. It is monochrome; whereas WGN seems to have offered this design in the polychrome/Day-Glo look. It also has tassels; and WGN seems to have stopped using tassels by the 1950s. So who knows, WGN may have had nothing to do with this particular pennant. (Hence the Feld maker's mark.)

The G.B. Feld Co. dates back to at least 1948. It started out of the owner's home, located at 2137 E. 90th St. By the late 1950s they were operating out of 2256 E. 75th St. Here's a 1960 advertisement of theirs from The Billboard that clearly identifies them as a pennant maker....

More great work, Columbo! :p

Rob,
Listened to your interview with Bob Swick on Gridrion Great’s. Good job representing pennants. We talk a lot about pennants in this thread, but there’s not a ton of information out there.

Is there a link to that? :confused:

Houston Oilers
 

This one just arrived tonight. Other than a few wrinkles from shipping (sigh), it is a stunner. It's pretty rare, and very, very red.

That's a beauty. Great condition.

PS...Guess who came in second. ;)

Thanks Jason...It was fun to talk to guys who love football as much as I do.

Ha! Glad you weren't "that" into it because I would have paid a bit more :)

I'm having more luck with Oilers than 49ers.