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Fballguy 04-23-2020 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1974123)
That's a nice looking variation, Greg!

I have been going through many of my 1950s - 60s pennants, and cannot believe the number of subtle color variations that exist. Even the somewhat common "Stadium" pennants can have up to 6 or 7 variations when you look closely. So many of the color combinations are actually quite scarce, if you know what to look for.

Maybe some day, more collectors will know to look for (and appreciate) some of these subtle nuances. If collecting pennants was like collecting cards, many of these rarities would sell for really big bucks. Sometimes I wish the collector base for pennants wasn't so thin, and that these things were more appreciated. But I suppose it's nice that we can still collect them for relatively cheap prices, and without such fierce competition.

Below is one such example of an otherwise common White Sox pennant. The Blue example features a white infield, and white hands and face. The red example features a tan infield, tan hands, and beige face. Both are rare with the colored graphics, as the pennant is normally found with graphics that are just white. Not sure who really cares... but for those who do, there are hundreds of other hidden rarities just waiting to be discovered.

I'm definitely in the "caring" group. I've amused myself hunting variations like this for a while now. Don't think Joe Average Pennant collector recognizes or pays a premium for a rare variation..which is good for us in the short term. We just have to get the word out and educate collectors by the time we go to sell our collections. ;)

doug.goodman 04-25-2020 12:34 AM

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I finished my pennant project tonight. Here they are :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggoodman/



I found a couple from the Brooklyn years that again I'm curious as to the thoughts of the experts who frequent this thread. They are also pictured below.

There is a 1950s 14" batter / pitcher pennant in the guide with similar artwork, but the batter's pose is different, with no flag. Also, mine is full sized.

The pins were attached to the Ebbets pennant when I got it, and I figured why take them off.

I also found a bunch of LA pennants that aren't in Egner's book, but many of them are from the 70s, when I think there are just too many to list.

Below are a few of the earlier ones. The jumping fielder I think would be from early in the LA era, because I see that as the coliseum below him.

Doug

jsage 04-25-2020 09:42 AM

Dodger Pennants
 
Doug -
WOW - VERY IMPRESSIVE DODGER PENNANT COLLECTION.
Jerry Sage

rlevy 04-25-2020 10:37 AM

Doug, great collection of Dodger pennants!! I can't believe you just had these stashed away somewhere.

Rick

Domer05 04-25-2020 10:46 AM

Doug:

You have a few toughies there for sure. Never seen that '62 phantom photo + sash pennant before. Trench made another phantom for the '62 Dodgers that lacked the sash + photo; but did include facsimile signatures of the players from that roster. That one, however, is the far more common of the two. Yours is quite rare.

As to that Brooklyn Dodgers pennant with the pinbacks on it ... are you certain its vintage? I am certain this was offered as a 1980s-era reproduction of a design style that, as far as I know, was never offered in the 1950s. I've heard other Brooklyn collectors debate this pennant's authenticity, so I'll be curious what others on this thread think....

ooo-ribay 04-25-2020 11:47 AM

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It's odd that so few of my Giants pennants share similarities with the Dodgers pennants. Whether NY or California, they were in the same region. Here's some of the few where I saw similarities. The LH batter is only similar in the font that was used by tons of teams.

doug.goodman 04-25-2020 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05 (Post 1974668)
Doug:

As to that Brooklyn Dodgers pennant with the pinbacks on it ... are you certain its vintage? I am certain this was offered as a 1980s-era reproduction of a design style that, as far as I know, was never offered in the 1950s. I've heard other Brooklyn collectors debate this pennant's authenticity, so I'll be curious what others on this thread think....

Thank you guys for the kind words about my collection, as to Domer's question, I'm not certain of anything having to do with pennants (or most other things, ha!).

When I was a kid, I always bought pennants when I went to games (they were $1 as I remember), then stapled them to my bedroom walls, with a big circle of them on the ceiling. I believe all of those are in my parents attic, so I suppose at some point I need to track them down. I have been picking up "collectible" pennants for many years when I liked the visual, and I thought I was getting a good price, then they would go on the stack.

I'll take a closer look at the one with the pins and maybe post some better pix, if I think there is anything to look at closer.

Just because I have no real knowledge of pennants, I have always figured that there must be something in the stack that wasn't what I thought it was, and have particularly been "concerned" that one of the 1963 WS pennants was bad. The one with the more narrow placement of the tassels, has always piqued my spidey senses. It's a very soft felt, the only "stiff" feel to any of it is where it's printed, it almost feels like patches (but it is printed). Neither has anything on the back.

Doug


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Rob - I like that one with the Golden Gate bridge and the batter. I feel like I remember that one from growing up going to (contrary to my collection) Candlestick as a kid. So what if I'm a NorCal Dodger fan, what's wrong with that?

perezfan 04-25-2020 12:24 PM

Doug, that is a fantastic Dodgers Pennant Collection! :eek:

Some incredibly rare ones there... some of which may not surface again in the next decade. It would take forever to amass a collection like that today.

Domer was right however, about the one with the Pinbacks in it. The Pins are legit, but that particular pennant is indeed a 1980s reproduction. If you look closely, you'll see the felt is different, and there are probably a few of them on eBay as we speak. Seems like half of the eBay Sellers properly describe them as Repros, and half just let it slide.

But all the others are 100% original and magnificent. Thanks for sharing those incredible treasures with us!

perezfan 04-25-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doug.goodman (Post 1974686)
Thank you guys for the kind words about my collection, as to Domer's question, I'm not certain of anything having to do with pennants (or most other things, ha!).

When I was a kid, I always bought pennants when I went to games (they were $1 as I remember), then stapled them to my bedroom walls, with a big circle of them on the ceiling. I believe all of those are in my parents attic, so I suppose at some point I need to track them down. I have been picking up "collectible" pennants for many years when I liked the visual, and I thought I was getting a good price, then they would go on the stack.

I'll take a closer look at the one with the pins and maybe post some better pix, if I think there is anything to look at closer.

Just because I have no real knowledge of pennants, I have always figured that there must be something in the stack that wasn't what I thought it was, and have particularly been "concerned" that one of the 1963 WS pennants was bad. The one with the more narrow placement of the tassels, has always piqued my spidey senses. It's a very soft felt, the only "stiff" feel to any of it is where it's printed, it almost feels like patches (but it is printed). Neither has anything on the back.

Doug


PS :
Rob - I like that one with the Golden Gate bridge and the batter. I feel like I remember that one from growing up going to (contrary to my collection) Candlestick as a kid. So what if I'm a NorCal Dodger fan, what's wrong with that?

Good senses... The narrow tassels version is the reproduction. Mitchell & Ness did this with the majority of their offerings, and it is the first tip-off that the pennant isn't vintage.

Some original pennants had the two sets of tassels placed close together like that, but they were from the 1940s and 50s (and typically featured the thinner "Spaghetti Tassels"). That phenomenon disappeared later in the '50s, and was beyond extinct by 1963 (the supposed year of that pennant).

doug.goodman 04-25-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1974700)
Domer was right however, about the one with the Pinbacks in it. The Pins are legit, but that particular pennant is indeed a 1980s reproduction. If you look closely, you'll see the felt is different, and there are probably a few of them on eBay as we speak. Seems like half of the eBay Sellers properly describe them as Repros, and half just let it slide.

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 1974701)
Good senses... The narrow tassels version is the reproduction. Mitchell & Ness did this with the majority of their offerings, and it is the first tip-off that the pennant isn't vintage.

Some original pennants had the two sets of tassels placed close together like that, but they were from the 1940s and 50s (and typically featured the thinner "Spaghetti Tassels"). That phenomenon disappeared later in the '50s, and was beyond extinct by 1963 (the supposed year of that pennant).

Thank you very much for the info.

The knowledge on the board never fails to astound me.

I appreciate all the help from you guys.

Doug


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