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Peter_Spaeth 01-29-2016 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1497278)
It's pretty obvious if you are consignor and the shiller is the same guy on every one of your consigned lots that there is a conspiracy to shill by the consignor.

And I've now seen information that his shill bidder possibly works for another auction house.
He is listed on Huggins' website.

N. & Cent. Fla/S. Ga Rep:
Jay Dyer

PM770 01-29-2016 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1497279)
David Hall, If his name was listed their stock would be down today for sure. Founder and president. Closest thing to the owner of SGC.

SGC is a private company. Much different corporate structure.
Beyond the stock being down, would it have bothered you.

Stonepony 01-29-2016 10:16 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/more...ticle-1.121333

My brain is hanging upside down..

Exhibitman 01-29-2016 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffrompa (Post 1497039)
Makes me want to open a pizza shop . It's kind of disturbing to the soul .
There is no need to drag pizza into this. After all, we are not animals.

http://images.hngn.com/data/images/f...-rat.png?w=650

Dpeck100 01-29-2016 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PM770 (Post 1497282)
Beyond the stock being down, would it have bothered you.
Certainly. These revelations are not a positive for the hobby.

If you think I am happy that the owners of SGC are wrapped up in this scandal it couldn't be further from the truth.

The stock market takes no sympathy on anyone and shoots first and then asks questions later. The reality of it is that this type of news would be bad for any company and the market would price it in immediately.

PM770 01-29-2016 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1497288)
Certainly. These revelations are not a positive for the hobby.

If you think I am happy that the owners of SGC are wrapped up in this scandal it couldn't be further from the truth.

The stock market takes no sympathy on anyone and shoots first and then asks questions later. The reality of it is that this type of news would be bad for any company and the market would price it in immediately.
Shouldn't it be bothering that members of a "Board of Experts" are involved in this? We aren't talking about one rouge grader.

Let's also not forget about the Wagner. Wasn't David Hall was involved in that?

h2oya311 01-29-2016 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 1880nonsports (Post 1497269)
to think the consignor was unaware of the shilling. Think that could only happen if the house had access to a maximum bid - which they apparently did - so I guess it's possible :-) Besides, I think husband of tammy copped to it.......
I never said that JC didn't know...I simply stated that he wasn't the one doing the shilling. It's pretty clear that he was in the know based on the number of times his name is associated with Jay Dyer (now working for Huggins & Scott) and Shane Mooney (anyone know who that is?).

And I missed those old posts from husbandoftammy where he fessed up. I was off the Net54 site for a long stretch during that timeframe.

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by h2oya311 (Post 1497291)
I never said that JC didn't know...I simply stated that he wasn't the one doing the shilling. It's pretty clear that he was in the know based on the number of times his name is associated with Jay Dyer (now working for Huggins & Scott) and Shane Mooney (anyone know who that is?).

And I missed those old posts from husbandoftammy where he fessed up. I was off the Net54 site for a long stretch during that timeframe.
I believe they have testimony of Allen calling Clarke and asking if he wanted to "bump it" referring to upping the bid on one of his items. This came out a while back. I don't think Clarke has fessed up to it, but he never denied it when called on it a few times here in the recent past.

vintagetoppsguy 01-29-2016 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1497288)
If you think I am happy that the owners of SGC are wrapped up in this scandal it couldn't be further from the truth.
Yes, I do think that. You ONLY come over here from across the street to either (1) bash SGC or (2) when there is controversy about a CU (of former CU) member. That's the only time you show up.

midmo 01-29-2016 10:48 AM
Nobody gives a damn.
 
I ran across this article from 26 years ago while googling some of the names on the list...

http://articles.philly.com/1989-10-1...baseball-cards

One of the most revealing moments of the convention came at a seminar on ethics. In a convention that attracted 382 dealers and more than 37,000 collectors, eight people showed up to discuss moral issues.

"That pretty much tells you all you need to know about the ethics of this business," said dealer Stan Marks of Scottsdale, Ariz. "Nobody gives a damn."


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