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Duluth Eskimo 02-26-2018 09:41 PM

I have seen that pennant before. They are pretty rare, but not impossible. I think they did a similar red version as well. I only recall seeing Cincinnati Reds pennants like this though. I will let someone more familiar with Reds memorabilia chime in for pricing. It was never really something that overly interested me. Off the top of my head I want to say in the $150-200 range.

Duluth Eskimo 02-26-2018 09:43 PM

Also, it is oversized. I don't recall the exact length, but 35 inches sticks out in my memory. Larger on the piping end as well.

yankeesjetsfan 02-27-2018 07:21 AM

I could have sworn I seen a Yankees pennant in that size from this era at a card show I frequent. I could be wrong. I'm not as knowledgeable as you guys and I only glanced at it in passing.

Mike

Fballguy 02-27-2018 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yankeesjetsfan (Post 1752169)
I could have sworn I seen a Yankees pennant in that size from this era at a card show I frequent. I could be wrong. I'm not as knowledgeable as you guys and I only glanced at it in passing.

Mike

Just curious Mike...Do you ever go to the White Plains show? I used to hit that one when I was in CT. Miss that one.

Rob

yankeesjetsfan 02-27-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1752199)
Just curious Mike...Do you ever go to the White Plains show? I used to hit that one when I was in CT. Miss that one.

Rob

Hi Rob,

Yup, that is the one I was referring to. I will also hit the one at Hofstra if I am ever out on Long Island.

Hope all is well sir.

Mike

perezfan 02-27-2018 03:16 PM

Basically everything Jason said about the Reds Pennant is spot-on.

They do turn up with some frequency, but are tough to find in acceptable condition. The combination of the photo insert, large size and white felt create “the perfect storm” for damage and wear.

I have only seen the Reds in this particular style... but being a 1961 Champs pennant, it’s quite possible that a Yankees version was made as well. You’d think they’d turn up periodically, however, if that was the case.

Fballguy 02-27-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by yankeesjetsfan (Post 1752326)
Hi Rob,

Yup, that is the one I was referring to. I will also hit the one at Hofstra if I am ever out on Long Island.

Hope all is well sir.

Mike

Doing well Mike. How about you?

That show was always fun. Found some good pennants there. It was a nice ride down 84 to NY too. Scenic and no traffic. Took about two hours but went by fast.

Rob

Fballguy 02-28-2018 02:40 PM

New additions...
 
Some happy additions to the collection...To quote Sesame Street..."One of these things is not like the others.."

<a href="http://imgbox.com/lhbCbpPD" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/45/af/lhbCbpPD_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/9bLGe73D" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d6/05/9bLGe73D_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/tYTQQrjP" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/6c/83/tYTQQrjP_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/sQ0B6dUd" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/43/2c/sQ0B6dUd_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/8Lvp0E0z" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/70/20/8Lvp0E0z_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/cxiUthZ4" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/7e/c2/cxiUthZ4_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/b8a5URzJ" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d5/68/b8a5URzJ_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

And one on the way...

<a href="http://imgbox.com/skUBHWZr" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/92/be/skUBHWZr_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

erikc21 02-28-2018 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1752070)
This is a screen grab from last night's Antiques Roadshow. I've never seen this pennant. Is it just me, or does it look oversized? I didn't think they did oversized pennants in this era. Does anyone know anything about this pennant? Value?



I don’t know anything about it, but I’m curious as to what the show valued at?

Not related, but I know you’d would appreciate my most recent before and after bleach candidate.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3dadfc5cf0.jpg

ooo-ribay 02-28-2018 09:32 PM

I’d say the bleaching did not go well. I have always been a proponent of bleaching but I recently f**ked up a really good pennant. :mad:

erikc21 02-28-2018 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1752851)
I’d say the bleaching did not go well. I have always been a proponent of bleaching but I recently f**ked up a really good pennant. :mad:



I should have said an ‘after (on top) and before (on bottom)’... I think the top looks pretty good all things considered. :)

Oh no - what happened?!

Fballguy 03-01-2018 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by erikc21 (Post 1752860)
I should have said an ‘after (on top) and before (on bottom)’... I think the top looks pretty good all things considered. :)

Oh no - what happened?!

Looks much whiter Erik. Good job.

Beware the red paint. Bleach is it's kryptonite. I learned the hard way...but not as hard as Rob. :mad:

Rob

ooo-ribay 03-01-2018 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by erikc21 (Post 1752860)
I should have said an ‘after (on top) and before (on A bottom)’... I think the top looks pretty good all things considered. :)

Oh no - what happened?!

I thought the pics went the other eay. So the bleach turned orange to brown?

yankeesjetsfan 03-01-2018 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1752709)
Some happy additions to the collection...To quote Sesame Street..."One of these things is not like the others.."

<a href="http://imgbox.com/lhbCbpPD" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/45/af/lhbCbpPD_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/9bLGe73D" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d6/05/9bLGe73D_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/tYTQQrjP" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/6c/83/tYTQQrjP_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/sQ0B6dUd" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/43/2c/sQ0B6dUd_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/8Lvp0E0z" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/70/20/8Lvp0E0z_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/cxiUthZ4" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/7e/c2/cxiUthZ4_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/b8a5URzJ" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d5/68/b8a5URzJ_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

And one on the way...

<a href="http://imgbox.com/skUBHWZr" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/92/be/skUBHWZr_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

Great pennants Rob. Love, love that Jets Pennant. Is it mid 60's?

I take Metro North up to White Plains for the show. Love train rides. So peaceful and relaxing. Not NYC subways. Those are nightmares.

Mike

Fballguy 03-01-2018 09:51 AM

I used take Metro North into Grand Central all the time...until I mastered driving in NYC. :)

That Jets pennant is probably mid to late 60's. I think it's part of the same series as the Saints pennant below it and the Saints became a team in 1967.

Duluth Eskimo 03-01-2018 12:05 PM

Those are some really good football pennants.

Fballguy 03-01-2018 05:54 PM

Thanks Jason...I've been on a lucky streak lately...with one notable exception.

Can't win them all I guess.

Fballguy 03-01-2018 05:57 PM

Price on this?
 
I've had this on eBay at $199 or best offer for quite a while and rec'd no legit offers. It's in beautiful condition. Am I too high? I think Egner's book had it much higher. I'd rather keep it than give it away but maybe I'm over valuing?

<a href="http://imgbox.com/S7SEa31u" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/7d/94/S7SEa31u_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

Duluth Eskimo 03-01-2018 07:07 PM

I'll PM you

erikc21 03-02-2018 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay (Post 1752911)
I thought the pics went the other eay. So the bleach turned orange to brown?



I’m color blind so I’m not sure about the brown [emoji15]...but it is whiter! Haha


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erikc21 03-02-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1752709)
Some happy additions to the collection...To quote Sesame Street..."One of these things is not like the others.."

<a href="http://imgbox.com/lhbCbpPD" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/45/af/lhbCbpPD_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/9bLGe73D" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d6/05/9bLGe73D_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/tYTQQrjP" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/6c/83/tYTQQrjP_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/sQ0B6dUd" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/43/2c/sQ0B6dUd_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/8Lvp0E0z" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/70/20/8Lvp0E0z_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/cxiUthZ4" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/7e/c2/cxiUthZ4_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>
<a href="http://imgbox.com/b8a5URzJ" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/d5/68/b8a5URzJ_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>

And one on the way...

<a href="http://imgbox.com/skUBHWZr" target="_blank"><img src="https://images2.imgbox.com/92/be/skUBHWZr_o.jpg" alt="image host"/></a>



What a great set of fb pennants (+ 1 baseball). Great finds, Rob!


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thetahat 03-17-2018 07:56 AM

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Okay pennant guys, help me solve this mystery. Just added this Dodgers pennant to the collection. Is this a football pennant? As I am sure you know there was a NFL team with this name until 1943 and then in the AAFC 'til 1948.

For the prosecution:

1. The bum is kicking what appears to be a stinkin' football.
2. The '48 Football Dodgers did have blue and white as its colors. Different colors in other seasons, though.
3. I have never seen this design before, which is why I had to have it.

For the defense (baseball?):

1. It is a cloth pennant, you know, the thin kind that fades easily gets loose threads on the edges when worn. I don't think that any cloth pennants were made in the 1940s. Have never seen one dated as such, nor any cloth pennants of the STL Browns, Phila A's, and Boston Braves. '55 Dodgers baseball pennants were cloth, and I doubt it goes back much earlier than that.

2. No evidence that the football team were referred to as "bums", and image searches of old BD football programs do not show a bum logo or reference.

Any thoughts? I should add that either way, I'm happy with the purchase, regardless of sport.

perezfan 03-17-2018 09:45 AM

Well that solves the mystery as to who got it! I was the under-bidder, and was immediately regretful I didn't go higher. I think you really scored at that price. Congrats, Greg, on an amazing pickup.

Yeah, pretty sure it's football. The Bum was probably so darned popular in Brooklyn, that they just carried him over to the Football Team. While perhaps not the "official mascot" these things weren't as closely sanctioned back then. It could have been made as a "tongue in cheek" ironic humor kind of thing.

But regardless of why/how the made it... It's insanely rare and very cool. :D

Duluth Eskimo 03-17-2018 02:02 PM

I think it's baseball. Obviously none of us have seen the pennant before so it's very rare. Here are some of my thoughts:

1. If football I have never seen a pennant that early made of woven fabric. Every woven pennant I have ever seen started in the early 50's.

2. I have never seen the football team referrrd to as the bums. The bum seems much more popular in the 50's. I've never seen anything related to football with the bum.

3. The only thing linking the pennant to football is the bum kicking what looks like a football. It could be something else, but I agree it looks like a football.

4. I guess it could be a one off prototype that never got issued, who knows.

thetahat 03-17-2018 07:17 PM

Thanks guys. Never know for certain, I guess, but it will look good on the wall.

ooo-ribay 03-17-2018 07:42 PM

I tend to agree with Jason. Could you post one more picture of just the bum and whatever it is he's kicking? Maybe if I saw the whole picture, in context, I could make some guess about the "football shaped object." :D

thetahat 03-19-2018 04:15 AM

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Sure ... here it is

Fballguy 03-19-2018 09:27 AM

My vote is football. Pretty hard to refute the evidence. The bum is kicking a football. Don't see a bat or glove in his luggage.

"Bums" was a pretty ubiquitous term back in the depression. Didn't the baseball Dodgers earn the nickname by being a bad team? The football Dodgers had only 4 winning seasons in 14 years during that era and easily could've earned the nickname as well...only not as popularly.

The material the pennant is made of gives me pause, but the graphic trumps it.

ooo-ribay 03-19-2018 10:32 AM

What's in the bum's left hand? And what are those "poofs"? Smoke?

Love these mysteries! :D

mrkrab 03-19-2018 12:03 PM

im just going to leave this here

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=24253

Fballguy 03-19-2018 12:18 PM

Fantastic! Guess that solves the mystery of the material.

Duluth Eskimo 03-19-2018 01:18 PM

Oh boy. Well that really makes sense then.

thetahat 03-19-2018 02:31 PM

Great stuff!!!! Thanks to everybody. Now I am a bit disappointed, primarily because it is from the 1960s. But still it is great to know.

Now let’s solve the mysteries of why the Phillies don’t have a stadium pennant and the Cubs never had a team picture pennant. :)

mrkrab 03-19-2018 05:46 PM

Not the traditional team photo pennant. But they have a few from 1969. here is one example


http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=24254

thetahat 03-19-2018 06:32 PM

Nice! Now, what is it about the Cubs (and even White Sox) with their team pictures being just players’ heads, like on this pennant. I’m thinking now primarily about baseball team cards (Topps) from the 70s. Some didn’t even show necks, just disembodied heads. No other team, but the Cubs did it often and also the Sox. There has to be an explanation!

Thanks for sharing the pic ...

mrkrab 03-19-2018 06:46 PM

Couple more


http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=24256
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=24257
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=24255

yankeesjetsfan 03-20-2018 08:26 AM

Those are some great Cubbie pennants!

Mike

thetahat 03-22-2018 07:22 AM

So did anyone see the batch of old Phillies pennants that ended last night on eBay? Each was described in the listing as having come from a collector "who looked not only for quality, but for unusual features and variations in graphics and colors" (exact quote).

Well, turns out the entire batch was auctioned as a lot by Huggins and Scott one month ago. Same exact pennants with some imperfections that clearly identify them.

http://feb18.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=24001

Just found it interesting, that's all ....

Fballguy 03-22-2018 07:55 AM

Nice quick flip. 100+% profit. Not bad.

thetahat 03-22-2018 09:47 AM

Absolutely a nice flip. It's the bit about the "collector" that was, um, unnecessary ...

Fballguy 03-22-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat (Post 1759879)
Absolutely a nice flip. It's the bit about the "collector" that was, um, unnecessary ...

Yeah....Not sure what the point of adding that was. In addition to not being true (unless he knew the guy who submitted to H&S), I don't see how it will add to the sale price.

Is that the pennant version of "this car was owned by a little old lady from Pasadena"? :)

Maybe he should've added that his pennants were gently driven.

perezfan 03-22-2018 11:52 AM

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He does that a lot. Same seller flipped this one immediately from H&S, and I was happy to get it. In Huggins, it was grouped with a bunch of travel/souvenir pennants.

Anyway, I'd never seen this image of Chief Wahoo before, and have been collecting these forever. Surprised it didn't go for more...

Fballguy 03-22-2018 12:28 PM

I was watching that lot too Mark. That Cleveland pennant was the only one I was interested in. I ended up not bidding though. Any idea what year that's from?

ooo-ribay 03-22-2018 01:30 PM

That’s a crazy Cleveland Indians pennant. Everything about it....the font, the colors, Chief Wahoo....is unique!

yankeesjetsfan 03-23-2018 10:39 AM

Is that pennant orange or brown?

Mike

perezfan 03-23-2018 02:13 PM

It’s predominantly orange. And I’d say early to mid 50s is a safe bet for this one, based on the material and design. Kind of goofy looking, and polically, it’s no better than the other Chief Wahoos... maybe worse. But must confess I do love it, despite its repulsiveness. :o

bocca001 04-01-2018 06:46 PM

Seals E-bay
 
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So... at the risk of outing an auction... I just saw this pennant on e-bay, along with a few other similar ones from the same seller (Hollywood Stars, Baltimore Orioles, Boston Braves). It is a BIN as opposed to a regular auction, so I figured that it would be ok if I raised a question about it (and the others listed by the seller, I guess).

I have what I believe to be an original of this pennant and it differs from this one in several different, but pretty subtle ways. At first glance, it looks right (in many ways). Has anyone ever seen these before? More modern versions of these pennants? By Mitchell and Ness or someone similar?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/132564640789

Fballguy 04-01-2018 07:32 PM

Saw that one...He says "vintage but not original". What does that mean?

ooo-ribay 04-01-2018 07:36 PM

^^^^ that thing has GOT to be repro.....unless it’s been hermetically sealed in an underground vault for the last 60+ years. I would love to see your version.

perezfan 04-01-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 1763448)
Saw that one...He says "vintage but not original". What does that mean?

It means that these are not original pennants, but are vintage.... meaning they are reproductions that were produced a while back (not recent reproductions).

Ideally, the seller could've explained this in more detail, but at least he notes it, and has them priced accordingly (close to the amount M&N Repro Pennants typically sell for). It's hard to believe many people would be fooled by these.


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