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tazdmb 01-29-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PM770 (Post 1497257)
Isn't PSA a publicly traded company?

While their stock holdings are likely too small to be reportable to the SEC so we could never know, isn't it likely that members of this so-called "Board of Experts" own some stock?

Yes, PSA is a subsidiary of Collector's Universe-a NASDAQ publicly traded stock that is up for the day

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by h2oya311 (Post 1497259)
Any other Net54 members want to come clean?

JC Clarke - multiple items consigned / all shilled by Jay Dyer
Kevin Struss - on the shill list once / but the victim far more often - any explanation?
...

JC was already known as one of the Mastro shillers. The extent was not known though. I wonder who Jay Dyer is?

1880nonsports 01-29-2016 09:45 AM

Dan
 
I corrected my post. I was writing as it was posted.

h2oya311 01-29-2016 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1497262)
JC was already known as one of the Mastro shillers. The extent was not known though. I wonder who Jay Dyer is?

But he isn't listed as a Shiller at all on the list...only a consignor.

Dpeck100 01-29-2016 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1497243)
41 Apr‐07 1512 Joe Orlando (consignor) Bill Mastro and Andrew Filipowski (shill bidders) Rob Rosen (Winner) $85,245.00 (winning price) $19,099.00 (loss amount)

Now what do you say?


Nothing. Joe isn't the owner. If David Hall's name were on the list it would be a much different story.

While you are at it please post the item that he consigned.

Edit: And nice to see it wasn't him.

1880nonsports 01-29-2016 09:52 AM

big stretch
 
to think the consignor was unaware of the shilling. Think that could only happen if the house had access to a maximum bid - which they apparently did - so I guess it's possible :-) Besides, I think husband of tammy copped to it.......

Dpeck100 01-29-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tazdmb (Post 1497260)
Yes, PSA is a subsidiary of Collector's Universe-a NASDAQ publicly traded stock that is up for the day

The stock is currently up as you said. Let's face it if SGC were a publicly traded company the shares would have gapped down 40% on this news.

To the person who suggested employees may own shares. That is probably true. But just like I work for a bank and could own shares in it, I am not the principle owner and have no ability to control what goes on at the company.

A far cry from the actual owner of a private company who directly calls the shots.

PM770 01-29-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1497272)
To the person who suggested employees may own shares. That is probably true. But just like I work for a bank and could own shares in it, I am not the principle owner and have no ability to control what goes on at the company.

A far cry from the actual owner of a private company who directly calls the shots.

That makes your "See an owner?" comment inane. Of course not, they don't really have an "owner" in the sense you were talking. Just stockholders.

Is there a name related to PSA that would have bothered you?

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by h2oya311 (Post 1497267)
But he isn't listed as a Shiller at all on the list...only a consignor.

It's pretty obvious if you are consignor and the shiller is the same guy on every one of your consigned lots that there is a conspiracy to shill by the consignor.

And I've now seen information that his shill bidder possibly works for another auction house.

Dpeck100 01-29-2016 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PM770 (Post 1497277)
That makes your "See an owner?" comment inane. Of course not, they don't really have an "owner" in the sense you were talking. Just stockholders.

Is there a name related to PSA that would have bothered you?


David Hall, If his name was listed their stock would be down today for sure. Founder and president. Closest thing to the owner of SGC.

SGC is a private company. Much different corporate structure.


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