Thanks Al,

Good to know. Although I do want to put that set together. I never knew it even existed until I was going through a box of cards and saw these tiny cards mixed in with other ones. It was then I found out about them.

So, eventually I will put that set together. I just need to find someone with a good amount of a partial set for sale and then I'll finish the rest of them.

Cheers,

Butch

1960 Topps Yellow border
 

Hi Gang:

Just picked up this 1960 Topps Kubek with the yellow border on the left side. I have seen very few of these over the years, but they are out there.

That Kubek is a cool one

Tony looks like he is saying…..”DUDE, seriously, ON MY LEG? REALLY?”

Nice find.

Never knew that one, not surprisingly Kubek is on the left edge of the sheet.

That's a proof sheet rather than production. If it was a sheet edge card it would be the top edge on a production sheet.

That's the 1960 sheet with the INSANELY rare cards of Thronberry and Hadley with the different team logos on the front of the cards.

Take a look at the far right column the second and third cards from the top and compare them to the cards in your 1960 set.

I couldn't find a scan of a 1960 Topps first series production sheet but I would be willing to bet $20 that Kubek is still an edge card having an outer edge print streak like that, here is one with a miscut back that has evidence of what an edge card would have.

Would anybody consider a…..I guess you would call it double exposure (3D) a true E/V

1967 topps 503 dodgers team

I can’t figure out how to attach pictures here
But my 3 big finds are
1958 Mickey mantle with lots of text missing on back
1956 sandy Koufax with sand in the outfield
1955 ted Williams topps removed the dots in his signature

Welcome, I know one member here who would love to see the back of the Mantle.

You should be able to use the paper clip
to add images to a post

The Mantle has relatives. I would like to see the Koufax. What color back ?

And + 1 on the welcome

I leave it to Cliff who put me onto the Mantle and related 1958 defective backs to elaborate but so far I have Mantle, Jensen, Drabowsky, Slaughter, Jolly and Virdon.

I see there a a few of the Koufax cards on ebay. Curse you for pointing it out Ted 1918 :-)

Jackie Jensen was above Mantle on the print sheet and is missing much of his stats, Jolly, Slaughter, Drabowsky, and Susce all fit together on the other combination, Susce is missing a foot.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38517371724...p2047675.l2557

Somebody made a killing.

1960 #83 Kubek
 

Thesis a compilation of the left margin of 1960 #83 Kubek.

Apparently I need a LOT of Kubek’s!

Omg-!

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I always thought my 58 Snider had a pen mark extending from the black team and position box. My dealer saves his beat old junk and sends it my way for a token, so I got another one with the same mark here. Guess it isn't a pen mark after all. Checking COMC I see that most Snider's there appear not to have this extension mark but some do. So looks like another variant but pretty easy to find either way.

P.S. - Snider in an LA cap doesn't ever look right to me.

Just noticed something else looking at the two Snider's above.

Check out the small part of Duke's left shoulder under the right edge of the red Dodgers logo and above the R and S in the word Dodgers in the black band on the bottom of the card. Two different sizes of his shoulder are shown.

I just picked out two on ebay. If you run your cursor over the photos posted to enlarge the area you can really see the different size of his shoulder.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31425454342...Bk9SR6KxsbGbYQ


https://www.ebay.com/itm/26602240427...Bk9SR6CxsbGbYQ

Great spot, definitely two different crops. It looks to me like the distance between the right border and his cap is different too. Your linked examples are both the versions without the black line extension, and mine are both with, so we have 4 different Snider's here, 2 genuine variations and 2 recurring defects.

Interesting that this cropping variation has both coming with or without the black defect. I would expect a cropping variation to be from different slots on the sheet, and that thus only one would be susceptible to a particular small printing problem.

1970 Topps football. Different colored numbers.

The cards without a stat box shift the position and coloring of some of the numbers.

1957 Topps Dick Gernert comes with or without this black line next to the card number. It is recurring.

"Blue monster shadow"?

Makes sense, the 73 Harrah and the 73 Ryan are both notorious for blue ink explosions and Orta is between them.

Knew there was an explainable reason for this.... guessing I will now need to find a copy of the two I don't have....

The rare 1958 Mickey mantle with part of the paragraph missing on back
 

There must be an interesting story behind that accumulation

I’m Nick egnatz here’s a list I have made
 

The Mantle back defect is shared with 6 or 7 other cards in the 58 set which were on the same sheet. See post 2334 above. There is also a recurring print defect on the front of the 58 Mantle if you are interested.

Thanks for posting your list. I see some stuff I am not familiar with. Have you been all through this thread ?


By the way, welcome aboard

What’s the print defect/error on the front of 1958 mantle?

1966 Ron santo league spelled leagu

Nick, if you have not done this yet. Please take the time to read this entire thread. There is a wealth of goodness throughout the thread. Many, many examples are listed within it.

Cheers,

Butch

Ted ( is that your first name ?)-this is the scarce but recurring print defect on the front of the 58 Mantle.

Butch is right that if you have the time and inclination going through this thread is an adventure for any serious variant collector. You will find many of the cards on your list and others for those same years

This thread has really screwed up my want list by putting more cards on it.

We should have made an index when it started, it’s too big of a pain to do now

Agreed that you should read through the entire thread.

I've done that twice in the past 5 years or so and it was very helpful.

I also will search this thread for a particular year I am focusing on to see what I might need/want to add to my collection.

Mike

Greg,

I would not say that it screwed my list up...but boy howdy has it grown since I have been here.

It is now considered a living document. Never ending, always changing, always getting longer.

Now my allowance account? Yep, sure has screwed that up. :D

It is my understanding that Joe who started the thread and still
posts did so with the malicious intent to mess up everyone’s variant want lists. Darren who posted 2nd was obviously in on it. From the 3d poster on we were all just victims.

Another benefit of running through the thread is there are links to other lists and resources for variant collectors

I keep trying to show more pictures but it won’t let me
 

If any of you guys are on Facebook I have a group to join vintage errors variations and master set builders

Some more fun ones
 

I still find that the 1958 mantle will become a huge card in the hobby based on how rare it is 1 day

More variations
 

…

Last picture for the night
 

I used to hoard these 2 cards like crazy, but have since sold off almost all of them pictured except 7 I think

That is quite a stash of the Williams and Robinson variations. There is a 55 variation of the Wehmeier card like the Williams.

There is a transition card for the 59 Grammas where the black blob is partially gone.

Hope you are right about the 58 Mantle but am skeptical

Yep, I have 2 wehmeiers with no dot clipped logo asterisk….

Also for 1955 topps removed one of duke sniders dots

And for 1954 topps removed one of duke sniders dots

People have already offered me 3x 4x what I have paid for some of my mantles they are very hard to obtain compared to partial diamond or no dots teds….why I sold most of those off and kept the ones I couldn’t bare to part with

Duke sniders
 

Of all the topps removed dots cards my absolute favorite is ted Williams…that Topps actually looked at it and said those dots are in the wrong spot….but Ted had always said when I was younger I put my dots in the wrong spot to throw off clubhouse signatures……unfortunately there’s enough out there that no premium is added unless Psa ever recognizes it

If that is Fox in the lower right I have also seen that with heavy yellow vertical per the sheet.

I'll look for it tomorrow.

Best,
Ed

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Here are examples of the 1973 Toby Harrah and Nolan Ryan blue ink explosions that are above and under the 1973 Jorge Orta.

73

Cliff those are really cool they are a prime example of too much water in the ink….. same as my 1966 mantle and 1958 Aaron both posted above…..when ever I see drastic versions of these I buy them!

Also my 1958 obrien pictured too!

59 Grammas transition

You have all 3!….so you have 1959 Casey wise white mohawk too?

Yes, and there is a back defect as well. Do you have scans of your 52 Kell, yellow line outside stars, and the 53 Mizell with runs obscured on back

Wise back

Here’s another
 

You can dismiss kell as print plate alignment issue
And ashburn as another print bleed

Thanks. When hit the Mizell link I first thought I was just getting a tutorial on the IRA :)

I did not know about the Mizell. Good stuff

1968 Topps #437 Cardwell, Back Color
 

I am familiar with the Milton Bradley back color variation on game cards between 7-195, but did Topps also use different color stock on higher numbers?

I appreciate any comments.

Thanks,

Joe

Yes, lots of back color differences in 68 and as a result you need to know the MB checklist because some sellers mistakenly offer non MB cards for sale as MBs based on back colors alone.

Greg is our resident back stock/ color difference guy :)

Yes, they did. The same stark difference in color when looking at a bunch of backs that you see when MBs appear in groups of low number cards.

Another resident expert :)

68's have at least four different stocks, not all of which exist in each series. In addition to the differences in the yellowy tone of the back, the white areas show signs of multiple stocks as well, some of which are much brighter than the creamier ones.

I don't know what was happening in 68. The 2 series football issue that year has a white back and, I think 4 different versions of a cream back, all of which occur in both it's series.

By 1969, Topps back is just a couple stocks again, like normal.

I have a hard time telling the backs apart in scans that are less than perfect with my crappy eyes, so I haven't tried to do the set in each stock.

In hand, genuine MB's are very different from the lighter/yellower stocks of the Topps issue, the lightest of which was not used during the first 2 series anyways.

As of this moment....

It is now illegal to post any more St Louis Cardinals variations.

Thank you for your adherence to this new statute and regulation.

You know what to do guys, check all your Cardinals cards very carefully ;)

If you post a new variant Cardinal have the decency to let Shane know not to look in the thread until we move to the next page

Somehow I knew you guys would be compliant to the new ordinance. :D

Fox with yellow name smear and a few others...also an extra blue hunt.

Best,
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Nice group, here are a few I have found over the years. Wonder if any ambitions person has ever tried to complete a "color over-run" set?

I wonder if some recurring variant can be found for every pre 1990
Topps card if one looks long enough

Yes. And we will find them all ;)

Probably but there’s a difference in finding a re occurring print blob the size of a pen dot…..some I find more important than others I did a write up on the story of 1955 Ted Williams and why I believe topps removed the dots
https://vintagebaseballcardvariation...ibextid=Zxz2cZ

A fellow collector, Doug Goodman, used to refer to smaller print defects as glorified print dots and he felt them unworthy ( he was not referring to missing or present dotted i type differences in facsimile autos)

..... With the exception of St Louis Cardinals! ;)

1972 bob Gibson
 

Here’s another discovery of mine but something tells me you guys are already ahead of me and know of this card

New one on me, but COMC acknowledges it.

Good one Ted, but you just violated Shane's recently promulgated law

I would like to take this moment to apologize to Shane for my past behavior and conduct in discussing variations on cards of players who played for the Cardinals. It is with a heavy heart and great regret for my past conduct that I stand here today, taking responsibility for my cruel and thoughtless actions. Not only did I participate in discussions about variants on Cardinals cards, I went even further into transgression and occasionally shared a new one. I hope that I may some day be forgiven, if not in my time on Earth, then in the next life, but forgiveness is not needed for me to take ownership and admit to the shameful sin I have committed. It will never, ever happen again, maybe. Shane, definitely don’t look at post #2,397.