"Screen Star Subjects" set with "Rounded Corners" Update
 

A collector of film star cards has confirmed the "Screen Star Subjects" set with "rounded corners" comes in both the 1st printing boxes (with a clear "W.S. / N.Y." printed on back) and the 2nd printing boxes (with the "W.S. / N.Y. obliterated). It appears the "Sport Star Subjects" with "rounded corners" may be in similar 1st and 2nd printing boxes.

http://i.imgur.com/M3GchNu.jpg?1

This set is listed in Post 283 above as "4. Set of 48 issued in four boxes of 12 (Series 1-4) labeled “Screen Star Subjects,” single sided, printed on white cardstock with “rounded” corners."


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Mike - Maybe I'm missing something here - but it appears all your efforts are basically finalizing themselves in an attempt to tell Ted and anyone else that physically removed rounded corner bond bread Jackie Robinson cards from packages of bond bread - that they in fact did not. (bold claim) and that all the rounded corner cards that have been identified as Bond Bread cards are in fact Sports star subject cards.

Am I missing something? or is that ultimately what you're trying to say (VERY long-winded-ly)

White Back, Rounded Corner Lookalike Cards
 

Phikappapsi,

Do you deny the fact that two separate sets of 48 virtually identical cards with "white backs" and "rounded corners" have existed for more than 30 years? The sets I am referring to are: (1) the Bond Bread package insert set distributed one per bread package in 1947-48, and (2) the "Sport Star Subjects" set issued in four series of boxes of 12 different.

Why is it whenever I mention the two different sets, someone thinks I am criticizing Ted? I am not.

The thrust of Ted's initial issue in 2009 was to distinguish white back "rounded corner" cards of the Bond Bread package insert set from the "square corner," toned "brown back" cards of the Festberg find. At the time, many of the "brown back" cards were being identified by dealers and grading services alike as "1947 Bond Bread" package inserts when none of the "brown back" cards ever saw a Bond Bread package. Ted provided an easy way to distinguish the two sets by saying the Bond Bread package insert cards had white backs and rounded corners, and the Festberg cards had toned brown backs and square corners.

With the potential of more than 3,000 cards of each player in the Festberg find reentering the market after their initial release in the 1980s, Ted's 2009 distinction alone prevented many from paying outrageous prices for a higher grade Jackie Robinson "rookie" card than the price of an actual card that had come from a Bond Bread package.

Since Ted's initial post in 2009, most people who did not get caught in the trap being foisted in the marketplace about the cards of the Festberg find owe Ted a great deal of thanks for distinguishing between the two sets.

But, what started out as an excellent way to tell Bond Bread package insert apart from the Festberg find (white back & rounded corners vs. toned back & square corners) does not apply to distinguishing the Bond Bread package insert cards from the "Sport Star Subjects" cards.

A solution to the problem of distinguishing Bond Bread inserts from "Sport Star Subjects" cards is what I am trying to provide. The cards of both sets appear on their face to be virtually identical. That is not criticism of Ted. In fact I believe that Ted started this thread with the intent of separating all of the Bond Bread lookalikes from actual Bond Bread package inserts.

If one is only going to read my stuff thinking I am criticizing Ted, then one will miss the point and be caught in another misidentification trap in the marketplace.

Some people may not like what I write and others may have interests in protecting the value of misattributed cards they bought. But please, let us all get past personal issues and try to do what Ted intended -- show the differences between actual Bond Bread package inserts and its "impostors."

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Perforated dual sided cards
 

In addition to the Joe Louis card you posted (Hopalong Cassidy is the cowboy pictured on the other side), I think the only other boxer in this perforated dual sided set is Marcel Cerdan with Joan Crawford on the other side. Sorry about the scan below, it's the best image of the Cerdan/Crawford card I have been able to reconstruct.

http://i.imgur.com/d76nmgZ.jpg?1

If anyone has any information about the other perforated dual sided cards I sought yesterday (July 3, 2020) in Post 287 above, your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike


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Perforated dual sided cards
 

http://i.imgur.com/hNZVo8b.jpg?1

In response to your Post #54 above (12-09-2013), the actor is Dane Clark as pictured in "Deep Valley" (released in 1947).

I sure would appreciate any help anyone can provide with the fronts and the backs of this two-sided set that I cannot match together. See Post #287 (07-03-2020) above.


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Interesting thread - Quick search turns up this complete set of Robinson issues - will these seriously go for $40K+

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-Jackie...9ba761d58a1103

The first card pictured in the eBay lot (which PSA labeled as "Portrait, Facsimile Auto") is the first card Bond Bread issued in this set. It's a 1947 Jackie Robinson card issued during his first year of playing in the Major Leagues. That card was widely distributed and is now more available in higher grades than any other card in the set. The rest of the cards in the set were issued from 1947 to 1949, so many are not Jackie Robinson's "rookie" cards.

The eBay listing of this "Portrait, Facsimile Auto" card shows it has been graded a PR 1 (as are most of the cards offered in this set), the lowest grade PSA gives. Only a very few single high grade cards from this set have sold in the low 5 figure range, as have sets.

Over the past year or so, depending on demand, individual cards from this set that were graded poor have brought between $550 and $2,500 each. With all 13 different cards of the set being offered in the eBay lot, even at $1,000 a card, that's Thirteen Grand.

The eBay lot is a "Buy It Now" listing at $42,000, with a "Make Offer" option. Unless money is of no concern to a potential buyer, anyone who is serious about buying the lot would be foolish not to make an offer.

The demand for Jackie Robinson "rookie" cards by investors in "rookie" cards has not only driven up their prices, but permitted dealers and grading card services to misdescribe and wrongly date many of his post-war cards from the 1940s.

Such misdescription is an ongoing issue that Ted Zanidakis widely opened up in starting this thread in 2009. The Festberg find cards (which included over 3,000 Jackie Robinson cards) were coming on the market graded as "1947 Bond Bread" cards when they never saw a Bond Bread package. Now, more than 10 years later, would those Festberg "rookie" cards, all in higher grades, be worth $1,000 per card? Perhaps some investor is willing to spend real money on the Robinson cards of the Festberg find as 3,000 cards at $1,000 each is $3,000,000?

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1947 BOND BREAD cards
 

I stated (some time ago) that I was not going to continue participating in this thread, anymore. But, after reviewing this particular post, I cannot let this stand.
This is mis-leading information....."FAKE NEWS" if you will.

Shown below are examples from my 1947 BOND BREAD set. As most of you know I collected these cards in the Summer/Fall of 1947. I have 44 cards (just the
Baseball subjects). I chose as examples to display the major Rookie cards. The backs of 42 cards in my set are clear WHITE (as shown). Two of the cards in my
set (Yogi Berra and Larry Jansen) exhibit traces of black/gray spotting. I recall that I up-graded my original Berra card. And, I recall purchasing the Jansen card
in the early 1980's, since it was not in my original collection.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ookiestars.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ohnnySainX.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...esWSainBks.jpg




This Berra and Jansen (with back stains) were not originally in my collection
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rraJansenX.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...erraJansen.jpg



The point of this response is to contradict the above QUOTED myth that the bread in the BOND BREAD packages stained the backs of these cards.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, You misread what I wrote and only got half of the story. You cannot go around telling people that only genuine Bond Bread cards have rounded corners and white backs and ignore the rounded corner "Sport Star Subjects" set that also has white backs and rounded corners. I did not say the Bread stained the backs of the Bond Bread insert cards.

Read what I wrote again: "While there are few bread stains on any of the Bond Bread package inserts, all were affected by being next to the bread." To me that specifically says that most Bond Bread cards had no stains from the bread . . . but like any piece of paper next to bread, the bread can take away some of the brightness of the white cardstock. That's not a stain. It's still white, but not as glossy.

I know you have original cards and the few original cards I have are not in as good a grade as your many cards, so my photos were not good. Look at your photos of the backs of genuine Bond Bread cards you posted in 2009 in Posts nos. 8 and 11 of this thread.

Please help us all out by posting a scan of the back of a genuine Bond Bread insert next to the back of a genuine "Sport Star Subjects" card. We all would like to see it.

Hey Michael. I appreciate the shout out. Will send you a private message response later tonight. I'm going to post this in my original thread, but as Michael mentioned, I've been doing more research on the set of 13 Bond Bread series. I'm not sure if this will post properly, but here's a newspaper article from July 1947. This article shows that the original Facsimile card was distributed for free to the majority of Black families in Harlem, NY prior to July 1947. In July 1947, it was distributed in promo packages with 2 slices of bread. ANYBODY that wrote to General Baking / Bond Bread was given for free a copy of the card. While I am still researching, this article also indicates that other "picture cards", which I now believe to be the other six attributed to 1947 were distributed at newsstands, candy stores, ice cream stands, etc. At the end of the article, it states clearly that this issue was not limited to NY, but rather distributed in other cities with large Black communities, including but not limited to Philadelphia, Washington DC, Baltimore and Detroit. This covers essentially all the MLB cities in 1947, indicating that this issue was not regional as it was once believed to be.

https://net54baseball.com/picture.ph...ictureid=28575