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Leon 01-29-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley (Post 1497232)
Because it can be just a hobby if you want it to be. I never had any illusions that something some people are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on would be all sunshine and lollipops. I could care less Peter helped a friend out, SGC and PSA names are on the list, or Allen tried to pull a Wolf of Wall Street. I collect baseball cards. I like my signed cards in PSA slabs. I like my unsigned cards in SGC slabs. When place a bid in a AH or on eBay I place it knowing that the item is both worth that price to me and that I expect to pay that amount. If I win it for less, it's just extra syrup on my pancakes. I have nothing against those outraged by this, card doctors, coaches corner, or any of the hundreds of other hobby villains. I could just care less, I'd rather be looking for the next card on my list.

See R312 thread. I found my next card last night and am looking for the next one!! All of this thread is a good learning lesson.

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1497243)
41 Apr‐07 1512 Joe Orlando (consignor) Bill Mastro and Andrew Filipowski (shill bidders) Rob Rosen (Winner) $85,245.00 (winning price) $19,099.00 (loss amount)

Now what do you say?

This may be a mistake on the government's part. I thought that lot was consigned by JOHN Orlando a BoSox batboy?

TNP777 01-29-2016 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1497235)
Of course you won't. You have no balls. If you did, you would call out Reznikoff, Keating, Rullo, etc.

Why will you do it over here, but not over there?

I assume you're well aware that people on CU are not really allowed to speak their mind about anything beyond rainbows and unicorns. Anything that smells remotely of scandal or discord is ruthlessly squashed, and far too often people lose their posting privileges there. Many here might not think that's a big deal, but there are still many there that enjoy the interaction and community.

I think it's wrong to not allow members to discuss a topic like this, but it's their private playground - they've consistently shown that they won't tolerate mud-slinging, especially when it concerns their big submitters, staff and shareholders. Better to get out in front of a situation rather than cover up and deny, imo.

Joshchisox08 01-29-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AGuinness (Post 1497227)
Just to clarify, my name appears at the top of that post as I'm replying to Pete. I am not Pete...

I know I was using your quote.

Peter_Spaeth 01-29-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 1497247)
This may be a mistake on the government's part. I thought that lot was consigned by JOHN Orlando a BoSox batboy?

Or a member of his family. I have it on good word that is not the Joe Orlando affiliated with PSA.

ezez420 01-29-2016 09:32 AM

For curiosity sake was there any shills done

1880nonsports 01-29-2016 09:36 AM

not sure Heritage needs to
 
although that never stopped anybody. Unless I'm mistaken they have a rule that allows a consignor to bid on their own items as long as they pay the hammer.
The more I look into this mess and despite knowing this was likely going on, I'm quite sad about some of the people who will look you in the eye and tell you they have your best interests in mind - and are cheating the hell out of you behind your back. Complicity is equally distasteful.
Certainly a part of me hopes this whole debacle hopefully isn't over - as shining a bright light on the subject might lead to some oversight (although a witch hunt is unpalatable and not productive) - outfits like roaches corner are obvious bad guys - but when the "good guys" start to behave like bad guys something should be done - maybe now the fuse has been lit.
That Dave Forman has been exposed for allegedly shilling his own stuff - such a breach of trust is truly freaking vile. Along the way I think my TPG of choice has made some bad business decisions. This perhaps a game changer. It will certainly devalue the brand as trust is an important concept when farming out one's cards. Much sadness.

PM770 01-29-2016 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1497214)
You see an owner?

Isn't PSA a publicly traded company?

While their stock holdings are likely too small to be reportable to the SEC so we could never know, isn't it likely that members of this so-called "Board of Experts" own some stock?

slidekellyslide 01-29-2016 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 1880nonsports (Post 1497256)
although that never stopped anybody. Unless I'm mistaken they have a rule that allows a consignor to bid on their own items as long as they pay the hammer.
The more I look into this mess and despite knowing this was likely going on, I'm quite sad about some of the people who will look you in the eye and tell you they have your best interests in mind - and are cheating the hell out of you behind your back. Complicity is equally distasteful.
Certainly a part of me hopes this whole debacle hopefully isn't over - as shining a bright light on the subject might lead to some oversight (although a witch hunt is unpalatable and not productive) - outfits like roaches corner are obvious bad guys - but when the "good guys" start to behave like bad guys something should be done.
That Joe Orlando and Dave Forman have been exposed for shilling their own stuff - such a breach of trust is truly freaking vile.

Not the PSA Joe Orlando. This has been discussed already in this thread.

h2oya311 01-29-2016 09:40 AM

Any other Net54 members want to come clean?

JC Clarke - multiple items consigned / all shilled by Jay Dyer
Kevin Struss - on the shill list once / but the victim far more often - any explanation?
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