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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>THERRRE'S Jay! Hi Jay. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> So I was right - it was you that called him out for using the main thread as an advertisement. I forgot about the "Poll to Ban Jay" suggestion. Yeesh. Maybe a "Poll to Ban Thinly Disguised Commercial Promotion" would be better.<br /><br />I also wouldn't mind seeing this one stay on topic a bit too. There have been some serious accusations, and it seems Barak has answered from his end.<br /><br />However, to be fair (even though I'm biased as noted above), Bobby hasn't posted to this thread in several hours. It's Sunday night and some people make family or rest use of their Sunday evenings. He does deserve the opportunity to address the questions about screen shots, different location of IP address, different IP address for Barak's posts here, etc. We should give him that chance.<br /><br />Just my opinion. <br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Hi Barak:<br /><br />So you want to get back on topic?<br /><br />Maybe we can clear up something. VCP has been charged with violating your privacy by publishing your name. But as I understand it (deleted at request of the poster) isn't really your full name and if one were to try to locate you under that name they could not. <br /><br />Would you like to comment?<br /><br />Steve M.

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Posted By: <b>arcade</b><p>Larry, would you like to email me your credit card information and see if you still feel that way!? <br /><br />Understanding your perspective, there's little reason to bump the thread then.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jay,<br /><br />Bingo!!!!!<br /><br />And to think when I joined here and in the early days I thought you were the bad guy.<br /><br />It is Bretta and his belittling others for not making the great contributions he makes--punk rock and changing subjects fron serious subjects to the one thing he knows something about...punk rock and how to find it on u tube.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Steve, I have a question - you are a lawyer correct? - I'm wondering why above you gave just as much credence to Bobby writing down a bunch of numbers which could easily be fabricated to edacra's screenshot of his request for cancellation?

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I still read, but rarely post. It just proves that the board hasn't gotten any better by me not posting. You still have everything occurring that I was accused of being the instigator of. So those of you that were so willing to take me task for going off topic all time, why aren't you acting the way towards Barry and the others that always very off topic? (No offense meant towards you Barry. You are OK in my book. Just pointing out the hypocracy of the board.)<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>OK, gave a different page when I clicked the link. I'll try again.<br /><br /><br />Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>arcade</b><p>SteveM ? Excuse me? <br /><br />What are you implying, and why are you researching my contact information?

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Arrggh. Dan contributes regularly to this board. He answers all kinds of questions, particularly in the area of photo ID's and early baseball in the Great Plains (Nebraska in particular). He knows a lot about non-MLB vintage baseball including local and minor league teams. He has jumped in countless times to help out and add to threads in a meaningful way that I can only aspire to.<br /><br />Punk rock and YouTube as his only posts? Wow. <br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Dan:<br /><br />Because I just can't believe any honest person would do such a thing. <br /><br />Bill:<br /><br />???????<br /><br />Barak:<br /><br />Just answer the question.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Joann,<br /><br />Its too bad that with some knowledge he chooses to insult me--he is the one who started this(scroll upward)--if he would like to apologize I will accept. If not thats fine too

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>He said he was from NY,NY earlier. I easily found his name in New York on one site. Tried to paste the link but it hooked up to a totally different search on that site. Just did a search for him on another site and got his name, address, and number which I will not post.<br /><br />I don't understand where you are going with this whole bit about him not being able to be looked up and questioning his name. Unless of course you are talking with Bobby offline and he's telling you more information that is probably incorrect.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>arcade</b><p>SteveM, Can I get an answer? <br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Bill:<br /><br />Why would I talk to Bobby? I have no vested interest in this thread other than to try to discredit the person who told me to "piss off".<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p><br />Barak:<br /><br />You just got my answer.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Yeah, this board is such better place without me <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Wow. I didn't think people spent that much time on another person simply because they said "piss off". Oh well, to each his own.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jim, I apologize to the board for even mentioning your nickname. I'm sure if not for me you would still be in lurking mode and we wouldn't have been graced with your presence tonight.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Yes Bill, to each his own.<br /><br />Curious too that someone else is looking this guy up. Why hasn't Barak questioned you on that?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>arcade</b><p><br /><br />Let me make this very clear. None of this discussion entitles anyone to invade my privacy. Period. <br /><br />Bobby already has my address.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>yeah Steve what gives.....are you representing vintagecardpricing or something ? I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think I need to see anymore "evidence" whether it be real or made up, to form an opinion as to what happened here. <br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bretta,<br /><br />Good--and I don't apologize for mentioning your--s-head. Now leave me alone and go back to doing your rock things--hopefully on a separate thread or a separate message board.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>"But as I understand it Barak XXXXX isn't really your full name and if one were to try to locate you under that name they could not."<br />================================================= ================================================== <br /><br />When I read the above statement by you, I read it as you questioning if he even used his real name. That's how I read it. If I'm wrong on that, I apologize.<br /><br />ARCADE-I was simply looking into the validity of the statement. Nothing I've seen online is going to be posted here, other than the location of the false IP address Bobby posted. <br /><br /><br />Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.<br /><br />edited last name out

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It's changed a huge amount...can't you tell? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, I want an acknowledgement that this thread has topped all others.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Wow...so far Crandell has called me a S-Head (whatever that is? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> ) and an idiot. All I called him was the Backbone of the hobby. He sure is a sensitive fella.

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>There's a lot of people on here with too much time on their hands...

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Dave:<br /><br />No, I do not represent VCP. I have never spoken to Bobby.<br /><br />Bill:<br /><br />What evidence has been presented that Bobby posted a "false" IP address?<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>arcade</b><p>Well now everyone is doing a background check on me after you implied I have a fictitious name. <br /><br />Yeah I told you to "piss off"....are you going out of your way to justify the tone I took with you? As for who you decide to do business with, and how they treat you - play at your own risk. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>If you read it. The IP address that Bobby posted on here, claiming that it was a log of arcade logging into his site, originates to the northeast of Wichita, KS. Arcade posted above what city, state he lives in and it is not KS, far from it. The IP address is not necessarily 'false', if you're looking to play with words, but it is not the one belonging to arcade.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Can I have a group hug? It's "cards" guys.....

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>We need to get the abortion issue in here, quickly, before Leon locks this.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Now everybody is doing a search for your information??? Are you kidding me??? <br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bingo again Jay--serious discussion???? Here??? Time for Bretta to jump in with a rock post and a u-tube song. And the moderator thinks thats great.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Bill:<br /><br />I did read it. Now let us think about it. Barak has acknowledged that Bobby has his address. Don't you think that Bobby would be smart emough to make up an IP address from where Barak lives?<br /><br />Leon:<br /><br />I'm willing if Barak will apologize for telling me to "piss off". <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>The fact of the matter is you didn't really have any reason to tell Steve to "piss off" to begin with...you were the one claiming how honorable and mannerly you've been....then you stooped to that level with someone that was just trying to make some sense out of all this<br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>No Jeff--not the pro-abortion posts again.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Apparently he wasn't.<br /><br /><br />Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>1. WHy does eveyone want to fight and then go and have dinner together ?<br />2.Soap operas usually start at 1:00 and last til 4 on most channels.<br />3.Iam selling famous Hungarian recipes, Goulash- Chicken Paprikas,etc ,etc. Hungarians make better food then any restaurant in NY.<br />4.give the guy his money back and move on.<br />5.There will be no refunds on my recipes. All nationalities stick<br />together, but in this world....it is every Hungarian for themselves

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>There is no need for that is there?<br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>The funniest thing is Leon asking for a group hug as he fires off his insults at me and refuses to answer my question.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Bill:<br /><br />Come on now. Did he just pull an IP address out of his butt? Give the man some credit at least for that.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Edacra- Hello...<br /><br />Please take no offense, my comment was not directed at anyone specific and yes, I would not want my credit card info compromized, HOWEVER, I would never put my dirty laundry out like this on the forum boards unless it was a last resort and a MAJOR issue and from what I am trying to acertain, I really do not see why this could not have been worked out amicably. This was not big money that you were implicating was taken from the credit card. For your info, I had an issue with someone that did access my credit card info and I dealt with it quickly and efficiently without having to make it public. <br /><br />Actually, I do see why you are concerned, I just would have chosen a different path and when I see a fire spiral out of control, I try not to pour gas on the flame.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Highly doubtful he "pulled it from his butt" as you say. But it's also very easy to pull a different IP address from a log and say it belongs to another person isn't it? Most people don't think that another will check on it. That's why I asked arcade what state he is from and he also gave me the city. This was before I posted where the IP address is located. It's not that hard to get a person's IP address, even less difficult to say it belongs to someone else.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If your question is about whether the number of page views to the site is up or down the answer is probably that it's about the same.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Bill:<br /><br />How to research an IP address is well known to most of us. Leon even had a tutorial on it once as I recall. <br /><br />I'm still waiting for my group hug <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Obviously Bobby was absent on the day Leon gave that tutorial. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> Just a joke....I will reserve further judgement of VCP's actions until such time a screenshot is posted that proves edacra was logging into the VCP in the last 5 months.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />You must be trying to be difficult--I have asked you repeatedly what is the current level which you provided versus the day the Mastronet story on taking creases out of cards broke and the days after?<br /><br />Is this top secret?

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>That's sort of like comparing newspaper circulation now versus the days after 9/11<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Bingo Jay. I was going to say it's like looking at pedestrian traffic on a given street on a normal day, and comparing it to the day someone torched a 3-alarm fire or started a 25 car pileup. Doesn't mean it's good - just means that people can't help but plug into some things.<br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Do you just decide every couple weeks it is once again time to start more problems on this board? What is wrong with the thread on the CU board tonight involving 1967 Topps in PSA 8's? Not lively enough there?<br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Are there any more free trials for board members on VCB or the other like services? I would be curious to track some items of late... This probally should be on a new thread but more will read this one.. Keep the smiley faces going.. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>I like Bretta and his posts, knows an awful lot about stuff only a few have spent time collecting and researching.<br />And Steve, you're like a pit bull with his favourite rope toy in the hands of a stranger. I think perhaps you have allowed a personal slight to influence your thinking on this thread, and not sure why Barak now has to answer to you.....past his answers to this point which have seemed awfully reasonable to me.<br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>True Jay but I think we are way down from the most interesting days of Net 54 when there were all the posts of card alteration and dealer practices and what did and did not constitute alteration. <br /><br />I(and others)just think most of the posts have been pretty dreary lately. Yet another one where people post pictures of their family or tell about their jobs-get the biggest response.<br /><br />I don't know if its because most of the interesting people started the alternative board or not.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist or prolong the agony here but I'm going to play devils advocate here... lets say someone did log on to his site with the log on that belongs to Barak. It's possible that the password and log on could have been used by someone else... Bobby could be correct here. Does this mean I'm perpetuating the TRAIN WRECK thread of the week? <br /><br />I'm sorry Barak, I don't mean to deal you a blow and Bobby, please don't use this as a way to get out of this... It's just my mind working overtime... OK, everyone else feel free to tell me what a horses ass I am for baiting both sides and keeping this BRITNEY SPEARS/TRAIN WRECK thread going... it just seemed to lose some steam...<br /><br />My apologies.... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>E, Daniel:<br /><br />You know, you're right. I'm putting the pit bull to bed.<br /><br />Barak:<br /><br />We're done. <br /><br />Leon:<br /><br />I'll save my group hug for another time.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>You just can't help it can you Jim?

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>No Fred - you did the right thing. The thread had gone two whole minutes without a post. Someone had to jump in.<br /><br />hee<br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>"I don't know if its because most of the interesting people started the alternative board or not."<br /><br />I see the beginnings of the Crandell/Behrens alliance here? Wow. I've seen it all. The backbone and the armpit are about to be directly connected! Say it ain't so!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Your actions here are totally irresponsible and even moreso hideous. <br /><br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Judge,<br /><br />Don't say Britney Spears--now you know who will put up a few u-tube videos of Britneys great songs.

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p> I stopped reading this thread about 10 posts in and have no idea what its about now but its up to over 200 so i want to be part of it!<br /><br /><br /> Anyone ever been to a Pawtucket game? Ive never even been to Rhode Island but im planning to go to a night game in between 2 red sox weekend day games. Any advice,driving tips from fenway etc etc

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Well, to be honest with you I liked that Zombies video! No, I don't want to see a Britney video... perhaps another Zombies video would be cool...!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>John, you selfish bastard, you just hijacked this thread!<br /><br />Barry, I'm sure you're asleep now so I'll do the work for you:<br /><br />This thread is hereby annointed 'THREAD OF THE CENTURY'

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I know its irresponsible and hideous to say good things about Jay but I couldn't help it.

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>And I just want to say "She is classy, non?" again.<br /><br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>This really has nothing to do with anything but it seemed appropriate:<br /><br />The Ballad of Jed Clampett<br /><br /><b><br />Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed <br />A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed, <br />Then one day he was shootin at some food, <br />And up through the ground came a bubblin crude. <br /><br />Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. <br /><br />Well the first thing you know ol Jed's a millionaire, <br />Kinfolk said "Jed move away from there" <br />Said "Californy is the place you ought to be" <br />So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. <br /><br />Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars. <br /><br /><br />Well now its time to say good by to Jed and all his kin. <br />And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in. <br />You're all invited back a gain to this locality <br />To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality <br /><br />Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off. <br /><br />Y'all come back now, y'hear?.<br /></b><br />

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p> Sorry Jeff,i just didnt want to go into Pawtucket wearing the wrong colors and maybe someone knew a shortcut. A 1pm Boston game i figure ends around 4:15 and the Pawtucket game starts at 6:35. Dont want to miss the first pitch of the first AAA game ill ever attend.Been to plenty of AA and A games,but never that next step below majors

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Sing to the tune of the ballad of Jed Clampett:<br /><br /><br />Come and listen to a story about a man named Barak<br />A poor card collector, just went into shock, <br />Found a few CC charges that weren’t supposed to be, <br />so he posted on this board for a little sympathy. <br /><br />cardboard that is, Ruths and Cobbs, ya know. <br /><br />Well the first thing you know Ole Bobbys firing back, <br />and the board comes to his rescue <br />and Barak’s now being attacked. <br />So everyone posts with nothing to really say<br />And the thread keeps getting longer as we waste the day away… <br /><br /><br /><br />Y'all come back now, y'hear?.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>My cat's name is Mittens.

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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>One of my favorite cards. Which grading serice should I use? <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1172470220.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Only because that was soooooooooo on topic, I would recommend PSA for these types of cards.

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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>I only ask this because I'm new to all this grading stuff. Which pricing service is best to use if I was to start collecting grading Clemens cards from Pawtucket? Just want to know what the current market price is on them?

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>If that is an '84 TCMA Pawtucket, they range from about $100 (PSA 7) to $500 (PSA 9).<br /><br />VCP has many modern issues and PSA only prices the Clemens from this issue.

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Posted By: <b>RC McKenzie</b><p>The best tv lawyer was the lady for Jim Rockford, I think her name was Beth, and I would send the Clemens to PSA if I were going to sell. Regards

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>I read enough to get the idea of the thread. I will only say that I chose cardpricer.com over Bobbys service after he insulted me. Oh and I too feel he takes every oppurtunity afforded to self promote his website. <br />My vote for favorite tv attorney- Alan Shore

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Okay, it's early Monday morning and this thread is too priceless to let it die.<br /><br />Jeff, you are absolutely correct, while I was asleep I missed the thread to end all threads. This is the winner and new champ; the NYC dinner one is just a distant memory.<br /><br />And I want to go on record to say that I went out of my way to hijack when I asked Dan for the Zombies. This was turning into more than a simple train wreck- this was four trains colliding with each other head on at high speed, and I was just trying to defuse it.<br /><br />We got the point- Bobby and Barak have to resolve the money issue and move on, all the rest was window dressing.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>No way this one beats the NYC dinner thread. It's a mere shadow of that breathtaking train wreck. <br /><br />This one got a lot of it's momentum by lots of random O/T comments - people just spraying verbal buckshot about the place. Any thread can be "classic" if people just want to type random musings. <br /><br />See, the NYC dinner thread managed to run itself off a cliff all while staying mostly on topic. People largely confined their posts to suggestions for where and when to have dinner, every eatery in NYC was named at least once, people were being accused of jamming personal preferences down others' throats - it was magnificent! <br /><br />Just my opinion, but I don't think music, TV and food random posts really cut it for building a classic train-wreck thread (unless, of course, the topic is food as in the NYC).<br /><br />My vote - no. NYC is still the winner and champion. For staying on topic, having incredible arguments, and still managing to not get anywhere (very important characteristic, that last one).<br /><br />Joann<br /><br />Edited to add: Oh, and I am interested to see how this one comes to resolution. We'll see how Bobby responds.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>I'd go with PRO Grading service.<br /><br />Althought they may be a bit harsh.<br /><br /><br /><br />(kidding of course. PSA for stuff like that, SGC for vintage)

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I wish you were correct, Joann; alas, this thread takes the cake. All of this anger: accusations of fraud, personal insults, threats of attorney involvement. There were multiple fires raging at once. Alliances were shifting by the second. And then we had the return of Jay (way overdue in my estimation - Jay - how could you possibly have controlled yourself from entering previous frays but come back on this one???) and the unlikely alliance between the armpit and the backbone, all the while Jim managed to insult and offend a whole new round of people after his all-too-brief lurking period (wherein here clearly did not review "How To Win Friends and Influence People"). And all of this occurred over $60.