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bk400 10-22-2025 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2545605)
If there appears to be a correlation between rich teams and championship teams, how is such a complaint "ridiculous"? What's wrong with more competitive balance? Does that not make a sport more rather than less interesting?

:confused:

All teams (owners) are rich. It's a question of how much the owners want to spend on fielding a championship level team. As long as you have 4-5 teams with owners who are spendthrift dreamers and fans of both baseball and their cities, that's good enough for competitive balance. Let the junior varsity teams play each other during the regular season, but when it comes to the playoffs, I'm perfectly fine watching the juggernauts thrash it out.

Beercan collector 10-24-2025 09:03 AM

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LOL Geddy Lee Behind home plate during Springers home run

Balticfox 10-24-2025 04:48 PM

So it all starts tonight - the Not-Brooklyn Bums versus the Toronto Red, White and Blue Jays!

:cool:

jb217676 10-25-2025 06:57 AM

Great start to the Series last night!!! Now it's the Dodgers turn to feel the pain! Go Jays!

ClementeFanOh 10-25-2025 07:03 AM

WS
 
Now THAT was a power explosion! Maybe my rooting for the Jays won't doom
them after all:) Trent King

PS- cool screen capture of Geddy, I looked for him but failed.

bk400 10-25-2025 07:13 AM

It was almost as if they knew what pitches the Dodgers were going to throw before they threw them.

Peter_Spaeth 10-25-2025 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2545577)
Is this a wish or a prediction?

So far, so good.

Beercan collector 10-25-2025 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2546123)
Now THAT was a power explosion! Maybe my rooting for the Jays won't doom
them after all:) Trent King

PS- cool screen capture of Geddy, I looked for him but failed.

Thanks, this will sound crazy but after watching the accompanying interview I’d rather listen to Geddy Lee talk about baseball than anybody - Hope they don’t miss an opportunity to invite him into the booth

samosa4u 10-25-2025 10:40 AM

How come the Dodgers didn't do their stupid dance last night ?? :D

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C49k0CM15G8/h...go3qdjc37bc89g

Balticfox 10-25-2025 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2546125)
It was almost as if they knew what pitches the Dodgers were going to throw before they threw them.

"Hitting is timing; pitching consists of upsetting timing." - Warren Spahn

Did the Dodgers merely trot a series of fireballers out to the mound? Do the Dodgers actually have any pitchers who can throw a knuckleball or even a screwball to upset the timing of opposing batters?

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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2546174)
How come the Dodgers didn't do their stupid dance last night ??

That kind of dancing draws snickers anywhere outside of La La Land. It's not something that would go over big in Hoboken or Hamtramck let alone across international borders.

;)

jb217676 10-25-2025 12:42 PM

Like every other team in the playoffs, the Dodgers are underestimating the Jays. The Jays are good 1-9 in the lineup with a bunch of moving parts. Dodgers relievers are awful too. Jays in 4.

4815162342 10-25-2025 02:06 PM

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bk400 10-25-2025 11:32 PM

How demoralizing must it have been for the Jays to know that Yama got better the more times he faced their lineup. It's almost like he's picking up more intel on the batters than the other way around. Take that, Billy Beane!

Also, I think that for the Cy Young and perhaps also for the MVP, they should take the post season into account. Yamamoto is a big game hunter, while Skenes has never pitched a meaningful game. It should matter.

Snapolit1 10-27-2025 11:50 AM

Watched the new Netflix documentary last night about the collapse of the Expos. Great franchise and amazing fan base. Collapsed in large part because there wasn't sufficient money available from the owners to be competitive. The idea that people are complaining about Dodgers management is absurd. Don't have the money to field a competitive team? Sell the team to someone who does. Professional sports franchises in the US right now are among the most valuable assets in the world. If you can't play in that end of the pool . . . go home. No one has to buy a baseball team. The anger should be directed at 9-8 owners who don't even hide the fact that they aren't trying.

Balticfox 10-27-2025 12:09 PM

Huh?! It's not up to the owners to try to do anything but make money. It's up to the coaching staff and players to try to win.

:rolleyes:

Snapolit1 10-27-2025 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jb217676 (Post 2546198)
Like every other team in the playoffs, the Dodgers are underestimating the Jays. The Jays are good 1-9 in the lineup with a bunch of moving parts. Dodgers relievers are awful too. Jays in 4.

I don’t see how the Dodgers are underestimating the Jays. The US media certainly is underestimating them. As are the sports gambling places. Dodger fans are likely underestimating the Jays too. But dont see how you can suggest the Dodgers themselves are underestimating them.

bk400 10-27-2025 09:58 PM

Shohei. The f**king Dodgers get Shohei, and we pay more to get Juan Soto. It's not fair.

Balticfox 10-27-2025 10:18 PM

Without Shohei Ohtani the Dodgers wouldn't be in the World Series right now. Without Juan Soto, the Mets might be?

:confused:

Balticfox 10-27-2025 10:34 PM

What really astounds me watching these games though is just how many times pitchers throw the ball into the dirt or even bounce it before the plate. What's even more astonishing is how often batters swing at those pitches. And these are the best players in the world theoretically....

:eek:

BobbyStrawberry 10-27-2025 10:54 PM

Wow, back-to-back inning-ending TOOTBLANs. Suzyn, you can't predict baseball!

Peter_Spaeth 10-28-2025 10:19 PM

For all the ceaseless Ohtani talk, the series is tied and the Blue Jays have home field advantage.

BobbyStrawberry 10-28-2025 10:25 PM

What a way to bounce back from last night.

Casey2296 10-28-2025 10:38 PM

Great Series, nothing better than playoff baseball.

ClementeFanOh 10-29-2025 03:55 AM

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Couldn't agree more, Phil! Well done by the Jays in Game 4. Trent King

bk400 10-29-2025 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2546848)
Couldn't agree more, Phil! Well done by the Jays in Game 4. Trent King

Game 3 was easily the best baseball game I've ever seen.

SyrNy1960 10-29-2025 04:02 AM

Nice to see a moment where Shohei Ohtani shows he’s human. But they don’t come very often.

Balticfox 10-29-2025 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2546849)
Game 3 was easily the best baseball game I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by SyrNy1960 (Post 2546850)
Nice to see a moment where Shohei Ohtani shows he’s human. But they don’t come very often.

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Originally Posted by MLB
No player had ever reached base more than six times in a postseason game -- let alone a World Series game -- before Ohtani reached NINE times in an 18-inning marathon against the Blue Jays.

:eek:

But the Blue Jays found a way to silence his bat yesterday. More off speed pitches perhaps?

:confused:

bk400 10-29-2025 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2546871)
:eek:

But the Blue Jays found a way to silence his bat yesterday. More off speed pitches perhaps?

:confused:

Or maybe Ohtani was just gassed. He had a big 24 hours -- historic Game 3 at the plate and then he went out and pitched a WS game the next day.

When was the last time someone was walked intentionally 4 times in a row in a World Series game? If I'm Mookie Betts, I'm super offended.

jayshum 10-29-2025 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2546881)
Or maybe Ohtani was just gassed. He had a big 24 hours -- historic Game 3 at the plate and then he went out and pitched a WS game the next day.

When was the last time someone was walked intentionally 4 times in a row in a World Series game? If I'm Mookie Betts, I'm super offended.

Mookie may have been offended, but he was also 1 for 8 in the game so the strategy made sense.

Peter_Spaeth 10-29-2025 12:23 PM

Very high risk strategy to put a man on base to pitch to a future HOF player in a tie game, but then again Ohtani was in such a zone that you can see the reasoning.

bk400 10-29-2025 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2546939)
Very high risk strategy to put a man on base to pitch to a future HOF player in a tie game, but then again Ohtani was in such a zone that you can see the reasoning.

Mookie's waiting for Game 6. Sorry, low blow.

Huysmans 10-29-2025 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2545571)
Toronto in 6.

So much for the naysayers....
Your prediction is bang on so far. 👍

Peter_Spaeth 10-29-2025 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Huysmans (Post 2547036)
So much for the naysayers....
Your prediction is bang on so far. 👍

Looking good although Yamamoto.

Balticfox 10-29-2025 10:35 PM

Talk about bouncing back from a heartbreaking 18 inning loss!

:eek:

BobbyStrawberry 10-29-2025 11:19 PM

I really wanted to see Yamamoto in the 19rh inning of that game...

ClementeFanOh 10-30-2025 03:50 AM

WS
 
Good for the Jays! It's all in front of them now, up to them to grab the title.

Trent King

Snapolit1 10-30-2025 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh (Post 2547048)
Good for the Jays! It's all in front of them now, up to them to grab the title.

Trent King

Yesavage amazing. A month ago I had never seen the kid or heard of him. To step into a game last night and be that dominant. Wow. Amazing achievement.

jb217676 10-30-2025 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2547055)
Yesavage amazing. A month ago I had never seen the kid or heard of him. To step into a game last night and be that dominant. Wow. Amazing achievement.

At the trade deadline this year, the price for the Jays to get an elite closer was Yesavage. From what I heard, that was the pitching prospect every team wanted.

Balticfox 10-30-2025 10:08 AM

I kind of wonder why Shohei Ohtani ended up swinging himself out of his batting helmet in the fifth. He must have been trying to kill the ball by swinging through his power alley. Perhaps a reminder from an old school coach (John McGraw?) might be in order "Hey, superstar, don't just swing for the fences. Hit the ball where it's pitched!"

:confused:

D. Bergin 10-30-2025 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2547089)
I kind of wonder why Shohei Ohtani ended up swinging himself out of his batting helmet in the fifth. He must have been trying to kill the ball by swinging through his power alley. Perhaps a reminder from an old school coach (John mcGraw?) might be in order "Hey, superstar, don't just swing for the fences. Hit the ball where it's pitched!"

:confused:

Probably too busy thinking about that children's book he published earlier this year.

Peter_Spaeth 10-30-2025 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2547089)
I kind of wonder why Shohei Ohtani ended up swinging himself out of his batting helmet in the fifth. He must have been trying to kill the ball by swinging through his power alley. Perhaps a reminder from an old school coach (John McGraw?) might be in order "Hey, superstar, don't just swing for the fences. Hit the ball where it's pitched!"

:confused:

The analytics may not support the old school approach.

Snapolit1 10-30-2025 12:17 PM

I feel sorry for a large % of board members who seemingly can't enjoy how great modern baseball is.

Balticfox 10-30-2025 02:01 PM

Some of us though prefer more of the kind of on-base action that enabled the game to explode in popularity in the first two decades of the 20th century.

;)

irv 10-30-2025 02:41 PM

https://x.com/TalkinBaseball_/status...31350629933171

https://x.com/ECUJungle/status/19837...30680308572409

frankbmd 10-31-2025 09:28 AM

Series MVP prediction
 
The battle of the 8 letter "Y" pitchers

I'll concede game 6 to Yamamoto.

In game 7 Yesavage pitches the last 11 innings of the game no matter how long it is and the Jays win

MVP Yesavage

Unlikely perhaps, but so was Game 3

BRoberts 10-31-2025 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Balticfox (Post 2547151)
Some of us though prefer more of the kind of on-base action that enabled the game to explode in popularity in the first two decades of the 20th century.

;)

Lol.OK.

Peter_Spaeth 11-01-2025 11:13 AM

Man not sure I would start Scherzer for this game.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-01-2025 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2546324)
Also, I think that for the Cy Young and perhaps also for the MVP, they should take the post season into account. Yamamoto is a big game hunter, while Skenes has never pitched a meaningful game. It should matter.

Especially for Cy young I couldn't disagree more. You're punishing a guy because his team sucks. It makes no sense.

BioCRN 11-01-2025 12:41 PM

ohtani over glassnow...not shocking, but interesting.

glassnow only threw 3 pitches (for 3 outs) last night, so TOR has to deal with ohtani and glassnow. ooof.

spending a brazillion dollars on your team has perks.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-01-2025 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BioCRN (Post 2547475)
ohtani over glassnow...not shocking, but interesting.

glassnow only threw 3 pitches (for 3 outs) last night, so TOR has to deal with ohtani and glassnow. ooof.

spending a brazillion dollars on your team has perks.

Because if they use Ohtani to relieve his DH spot isn't protected, once they pull him as a reliever he has to leave the game as a hitter also. If he starts he can stay in the game as DH after they pull him. Likely try and get through the lineup twice and the bring in Glasnow.

nolemmings 11-01-2025 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2547459)
Man not sure I would start Scherzer for this game.

Maybe Roberts will surprise everybody and start your favorite flavor Kershaw.:D

BioCRN 11-01-2025 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2547476)
Because if they use Ohtani to relieve his DH spot isn't protected, once they pull him as a reliever he has to leave the game as a hitter also. If he starts he can stay in the game as DH after they pull him. Likely try and get through the lineup twice and the bring in Glasnow.

Now it's no longer interesting...it just makes sense.

It would help if more guys than Ohtani used the "Ohtani rule"...or Ohtani managed to pitch enough the past few seasons to remember it.

Peter_Spaeth 11-01-2025 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 2547477)
Maybe Roberts will surprise everybody and start your favorite flavor Kershaw.:D

LOL that would be epic and would dwarf all of Roberts' weird, contrarian, and irrational moves to date.

bk400 11-01-2025 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2547497)
LOL that would be epic and would dwarf all of Roberts' weird, contrarian, and irrational moves to date.

Did you guys see Kike Hernandez's postgame interview about his game ending double play? He said that his scouting card had him playing the batter deeper, but he remembered from watching Gimenez that he didn't hit hard to the opposite field. So he played more shallow. The advanced stats had that ball having a 70 percent chance of landing for a hit, but Kike caught it at shoulder level.

bk400 11-01-2025 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2547474)
Especially for Cy young I couldn't disagree more. You're punishing a guy because his team sucks. It makes no sense.

I look at it as rewarding a guy who pitches in big moments. How many of Skenes's regular season innings are worth one of Yamamoto's postseason innings? I'd say it's 20 to 1 in terms of degree of difficulty.

tiger8mush 11-01-2025 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2547540)
I look at it as rewarding a guy who pitches in big moments. How many of Skenes's regular season innings are worth one of Yamamoto's postseason innings? I'd say it's 20 to 1 in terms of degree of difficulty.

The best players win MVP/Cy Young awards.
The best teams win championships.

ETA - Yamamoto can win WS MVP

pawpawdiv9 11-01-2025 06:43 PM

Rooting for the dodgers to win big!!!

jayshum 11-01-2025 07:33 PM

I'm surprised the Blue Jays didn't complain about Ohtani being given extra time to warm up in the first inning. The same rules should apply to everyone.

Peter_Spaeth 11-01-2025 09:43 PM

The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Dodger nine that day
The score stood 4 to 2 with two innings left to play

bk400 11-01-2025 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2547540)
I look at it as rewarding a guy who pitches in big moments. How many of Skenes's regular season innings are worth one of Yamamoto's postseason innings? I'd say it's 20 to 1 in terms of degree of difficulty.

That last inning for Yamamoto? Worth 100 of Skenes's.

Peter_Spaeth 11-01-2025 11:21 PM

Epic pitching performance.

CollectingAmericasPastime 11-01-2025 11:37 PM

Baseball can heal now since this solidifies the need for changes to the structure of the MLB. Salary cap and true revenue sharing incoming.

jb217676 11-02-2025 06:42 AM

Tough loss but the better team won. Jays stunk for the last two games, too many mistakes and missed opportunities. Jays relievers were shaky at best...

Jeff Hoffman = Mitch Williams

Balticfox 11-02-2025 10:40 AM

All the Blue Jays had to do was cash in the leadoff double in the bottom of the eleventh by Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the game would have gone to twelve innings which would have tied the record for the longest game seven in World Series history. But they couldn't get it done....

:(

Not nearly as painful though as when my beloved dearly departed Cleveland Indians lost extra inning game sevens 3-2 to the Florida Marlins in 1997 and 8-7 to the Chicago Cubs in 2016. And I'll never forget, never forgive, those who took the Indians from me.

Worse yet though was when my lifelong favourites the Edmonton Eskimos were taken from me in 2020. My resentment and anger hasn't faded even a bit.

:mad:

nolemmings 11-02-2025 11:47 AM

Plenty of chances for Toronto, but I was mostly disappointed in George Springer. 6th inning man on second no outs, one run in during what will no doubt be a close game. He absolutely needs to move the runner over. An 0-1 pitch straight on the outside corner and he just needs to poke it to the right side. Instead he takes strike two and then whiffs. Next guy drives the ball to deep center, where a man on 3rd would have scored easily.
In 8th, man on second one out and Springer whiffs again. I know he had hits early, but for a team lauded for knowing the game and scoring in a variety of ways, its veteran "leader" Springer went up there looking for the HR ball when it wasn't needed. Twice. A dang shame.

Peter_Spaeth 11-02-2025 12:44 PM

And so ends the career of a generational pitcher, Clayton Kershaw, who actually had a pretty good year but could not be trusted to appear in more than one inning. It must be a bittersweet ending for him. If this was Max Scherzer's last game, he at least will have gone out on a good note, he pitched very well.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-02-2025 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2547742)
And so ends the career of a generational pitcher, Clayton Kershaw, who actually had a pretty good year but could not be trusted to appear in more than one inning. It must be a bittersweet ending for him. If this was Max Scherzer's last game, he at least will have gone out on a good note, he pitched very well.

He was actually the next guy in if needed, he was throwing in the pen when the game ended.

Seems like he is more than OK with how things played out. Roberts still drives me crazy but in the last couple games he did a number of things I was mentally begging him to do.

What I liked about the team was, even though the vaunted offense more or less disappeared they just adjusted and played scrappy ball instead to eke out the last two wins. You'd have thought they were the plucky underdogs and not the anointed team of billionaires

Peter_Spaeth 11-02-2025 02:24 PM

Thankfully he did not end his career getting lit up in a Game 7. One of the truly puzzling careers ever, so dominant in the regular season, so many post-season disasters. A great guy, I hope his lasting legacy is mostly positive.

Snapolit1 11-02-2025 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectingAmericasPastime (Post 2547643)
Baseball can heal now since this solidifies the need for changes to the structure of the MLB. Salary cap and true revenue sharing incoming.

How about we just agree that billionaires shouldn't buy baseball teams if they arent going to spend a lot of money to keep them competitive?

(it's a really good time to be a billionaire in this country, if you haven't heard.)

BobbyStrawberry 11-02-2025 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2547816)
How about we just agree that billionaires shouldn't buy baseball teams if they arent going to spend a lot of money to keep them competitive?

(it's a really good time to be a billionaire in this country, if you haven't heard.)

When is it not?

jayshum 11-02-2025 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectingAmericasPastime (Post 2547643)
Baseball can heal now since this solidifies the need for changes to the structure of the MLB. Salary cap and true revenue sharing incoming.

Players union will never agree to a salary cap.

BobbyStrawberry 11-02-2025 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2547826)
Players union will never agree to a salary cap.

That's what I'd like to think, but months and months of corporate media coverage about the "greedy" players might change their tune

Balticfox 11-02-2025 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2547816)
How about we just agree that billionaires shouldn't buy baseball teams if they arent going to spend a lot of money to keep them competitive?

How about if none of the owners threw their money around foolishly? That might work to keep ticket and concession prices down. Wouldn't that be better for the fans?

:confused:

Balticfox 11-02-2025 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2547828)
That's what I'd like to think, but months and months of corporate media coverage about the "greedy" players might change their tune

No need for additional media coverage. Most fans are already convinced of that detail.

CollectingAmericasPastime 11-02-2025 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2547816)
How about we just agree that billionaires shouldn't buy baseball teams if they arent going to spend a lot of money to keep them competitive?

(it's a really good time to be a billionaire in this country, if you haven't heard.)

I don't disagree, but the league itself can't be dominated by 1/3rd of the markets - the top 10 markets - like it has been. The NFL has a garbage product on the field but a superior product off the field. The salary cap and revenue sharing is what has built their high platform. Baseball needs to shift towards the NFL off-the-field model.

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2547826)
Players union will never agree to a salary cap.

Oh no... a player's union crying about unfair wages and working conditions while wiping their tears with handfuls of Benjamins. Poor them.

I'm fully ok missing some baseball in 2027 if it means getting the structure within baseball resolved so that all 30 markets have a more equal opportunity shot at a World Series. I'm not on either side, owner nor player. I simply want smaller markets to be able to retain their homegrown superstars.

rats60 11-03-2025 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2547826)
Players union will never agree to a salary cap.

Maybe after going a year without any pay they will change their minds. You know they said they would never agree to drug testing too.


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