.

Nice work!

Looking at the Radatz/Klippstein pairing - With Klippstein (or any other player with a solid black box) the lettering in the name as well as the baseball containing the card number should be visible with this much black showing, shouldn't it.

The only cards with extra black real estate are the team card, but with that blue banner, they are ruled out.

Is there any chance, do we think, that the card is cut right at the bottom of the black border surrounding a cartoon on a normal player card, or do we think it is simply cut right at the top of the lettering of the name and the ball?

If that card had a cartoon it would be visible with that much black showing.

I think I figured out two more, the card to the right of Grady Hatton has a divot in the black area that matches up with Johnny Wyatt, and the card to the right of Barry Latman has two humps that matches up with Camilo Carreon. All four of the cards have 3x quantities but I have Carreon as the right edge card of a 4x row, but I am beginning to think Carreon is a 3x and not a 4x.

I agree it looks like it has to be a solid black space, I just find it hard to believe that, being that, there is no sign of the baseball or Klippstein's name.

I placed the cards next to each other and I think I was able to cut the Klippstein off to where it shows the necessary thickness of black and yet show no hint of lettering - I also think I noticed a couple barely perceptible flaws in the black border that seemed to match, but my eyes could have been playing tricks on me.


So, it's been a while so I thought I'd summarize our progress thus far:

We have the following row sections:

Banks-McDaniel
Coleman-Red Sox Rookies
O'Donoghue-Buchek
Latman-Carreon
Ferrara-Bennett
Hatton-Wyatt
Jimenez-Phillies Team
Radatz-Klippstein-McAuliffe
Green-Linz

We have 9 total, so at least 2 are part of one of the other 7.

In terms of Columns:

#1
Aaron
Nuxhall
Fox
Moeller
Skinner
Gonzalez
Cubs Rookies (despite my earlier posts showing odd colors under an Aaron)

#10:
Buford
Latman
Azcue

#11:
Hamilton
6th Checklist
7th Checklist
Wood
Giants Rookies
Carreon
Edwards

We can identify the partial 10th column because of the Latman/Carreon horizontal pairing.

We have these partial columns linked because of other horizontal pairings:

Gibbon
Braves Rookies
Coleman

to the left of

Hannan
Schofield
Red Sox Rookies


Radatz
Rollins

to the left of

Blefary
Klippstein
Wyatt
Cannizzaro
Belinsky


Jimenez
O'Donoghue
Bennett
Johnson

to the left of

Phillies Team
Buchek
Wynn
Ferrara


We have the other partial columns:

Bunker
Lee
Richardson
Rodgers
Lolich

Yankees Rookies
Bressoud

Oliva
Simmons
Ellsworth
Howard

McDowell
Bragan

Roznovsky
Kline
Barber


The following cards still have no known vertical or horizontal matches:

Pirates Rookies
Bailey
Covington
Podres
Stuart
Face
McCool
Stanky
A's Team
Cardenal
Hargan
Wilhelm
Stigman
Woodeshick
Friend
Bearnarth


Please check my math.

1966 Series 6
 

Bailey, 485, is below either a RS or Pirate. My initial thpught was Stigman, 512, but I'm not positive.

Also, recall that O'donoghue is below two different cards. Certainly 458, but also a Twin/Red

Attachment 650040

Attachment 650041

1966 Series 6
 

Covington is below either Angel/Brave and above a Chi

Attachment 650042

I have a H pair of 447-459 (Ellsworth-McCool initially thought to be Oliva by changed our mind. still TBD), and a vertical grouping of
515-450-489-447 (Howard-Oliva-Simmons-Ellsworth)

And Friend is below an orange card, perhaps Covington??

Attachment 650043

1966 series 6 Covington
 

Instead of a Chicago player, it might simply be a color shift and perhaps it is Friend below Covington

1966 series 6
 

And this mc of Woodeshick just sold on ebay

Attachment 650046

I went back through the thread and spotted a couple that were overlooked. Grady Hatton is above the the Athletics Team card. If Dick Ellsworth is a 4x he has Bill McCool to his right, if he is a 3x he has Tony Oliva to his right. Ellsworth is one of those cards that always has quantities in the gray area for being either a 3x or a 4x. ETA I just noticed that we have Ellsworth and Oliva in the same column so it has to be McCool to the right of Ellsworth. Ellsworth probably is a 4x, it is a notorious card because it pictures Ken Hubbs so the demand for it likely keeps its' quantities down.

I came to the conclusion that it is Dick Stigman above Bob Bailey when comparing Stigman to the miscut.

I bought the Woodeshick and a miscut Barry Latman that might have Larry Bearnarth under him from the same seller on eBay, I will post better scans of both when I get them.

1966 series 6
 

There is also a Twin or Red above Tommy John

Attachment 650078

1966 series 6
 

And this mc of Mcdaniel is below a RS or Pitt. Not sure why, but I had it initially identifed as 456, RS rooks, but I can't recall why

Attachment 650079

1966 Series 6
 

Is this a rookie card above Azcue?

Attachment 650080

1966 series 6
 

and this Ken Johnson mc

Attachment 650081

Attachment 650082

1966 series 6
 

right of Stigman

Attachment 650083

I have Dennis Bennett as confirmed above Ken Johnson.

Stigman is a 4x, unfortunately I don't see any print anomalies so it could be Radatz, Green, Bennett, or Face.

I think it might be Bill McCool under McAuliffe but if it is then that creates a problem with Ellsworth to the left of McCool because Ellsworth isn't under Klippstein, so unless this involves a row change then one or the other can't be right.

This was sitting in plain sight for so long earlier on this thread - Phillies team under Hargan. The only cards it could be (gray color, not in another row already) were Hargan, Banks and Linz. The thickness variations in the visible border make it a cinch for Hargan. This creates another 5 card partial column - Hargan, Phillies, Buchek, Wynn and Ferrara.

I was going to argue again about why Hatton was over the A's team instead of the Phillies - even though Phillies is under Hargan, could be under Hatton on the other slit - but since Hatton is now confirmed next to Wyatt, this places him in a 3 card partial column and since Phillies team is in a 5 card partial, well that's that. Hatton over the A's team.

I've long wondered why it can't be Rollins to the right of Ellsworth in the diamond miscut - the grass color is much darker than Ellsworth's in both cases, and trying to be precise on color tone with that poor image is dicey. I'm not saying it IS Rollins, just asking why it couldn't be. For you does it come down to the darker green on McCool?

Holy smokes, you're right. I have had it in my mind that it had to be either McCool or Oliva to the right of Ellsworth, Rollins makes perfect sense and he's a 4x. I think we can put McCool under McAuliffe now.

Nice! That means one of the two remaining cards in the column is a Cub or a White Sock above Hargan. Could it be Covington?

I can't believe it but we actually have a 1966 6th Series cluster going.

???????? - ?????? - Cannizzaro - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
???????? - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
*Howard - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ??????
***l*******l********l********l***
*Oliva* - A's Team - *Blefary* - ??????
***l*******l*********l********l***
Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - McAuliffe
***l*******l********l********l***
Ellsworth - Rollins - ????????? - McCool

I show it could be Covington, Stanky, Wilhelm or John in the Hargan column - do you prefer Covington due to card counts?

On McCool under McAuliffe - why McCool? We have McAuliffe in a column of 1 right now - the only blue cards it couldn't be are those in columns 1 and 10 and those in the Klippstein and Radatz columns to his left - together these are Nuxhall, Rollins, Klippstein and Edwards. Could still be McCool, Coleman or Oliva, no?

Can you re-post the card count list you're using for reference? I did one way back on the first page of this thread.

1. That column has three 4x cards in it, Buchek, Wynn, Ferrara, the two missing cards have to be 3x. John, Stanky, and Wilhelm are all 4x.

2. That blue card has to be 4x, Oliva and Edwards are 3x and Oliva is already in the cluster on a 3x row and Edwards is a right edge card.

The card above Frank Howard is a Tiger or a Cardinal and has to be a 4x. Fox, Skinner, Wood, McAuliffe, and Simmons are eliminated, and Woodeshick is a 3x. That leaves Lolich and Buchek. Lolich is in another column with five confirmed cards. That leaves Buchek. I know he has the Phillies Team card above him, but I don't remember why you have Buchek and the Phillies Team card in a column with Wynn and Ferrara?

The Cub above Hargan is Dick Ellsworth, the column is complete at seven cards and goes:

Hargan
Phillies Team
Buchek
Howard
Oliva
Simmons
Ellsworth

Here's an update of the cluster:

Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - ??????? - ????????? - Yankees Rookies
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***
*Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud**
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l**
**Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***
*Bunker* - ????????? - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***
*Bob Lee* - ??????? - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l****
*Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l****
Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - ????????? - **McCool*

1966 series 6
 

I show that the Buchek/Phillies vertical MC was id'd because of the recurring dot seen on the Phillies card. And you also have the Phillies TC mc.

Attachment 650158

and this MC of Wynn with a Phil or Indian above

Attachment 650159

Oops, I am wrong about that first column then, Bob Lee doesn’t go over Jim Wynn.

1966 Series 6
 

Was this ever id'd? card below Coleman


Attachment 650160

No, I now suspect Tommy John to go under Johnny Klippstein but the only thing holding that up is the possibility of John going under Coleman. Tommy John is a 4x and is under a Twin/Red.

1966 series 6
 

doesn't look like a WS or Cub banner color under Coleman, so that might make it difficult for TJ to be under Coleman.

Why couldn't TJ be under Rollins?

Also, haven't seen much on Pirates RS and only that Red Sox RS might be under Schofield

1966 series 6
 

Wilhelm may be a top row card

Attachment 650179

Tommy John is a 4x, he can't go under Rollins and into that 3x column. I am nearly convinced that Podres goes under Rollins now.

He is, he is either in the Aaron row or the Gonzalez row.

Updated, I think that has to be an Angel/Brave above Wynn rather than an Indian/Phillie.

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - ???????? - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

Lenny Green and Phil Linz are side by side on a 4x row, Green has an Indian/Phillie above him and Linz has a Senator/Giant above him, I am confident that George Banks is above Green and Lindy McDaniel is above Linz because Banks and McDaniel are side by side.

Yankees Rookie Stars has a Twin/Red above it, so that means it has to be under either Rollins or McCool, I compared the Yankees Rookies to both and it matches McCool because the left tip of the blue has the tail that matches the Yankees Rookies miscut.

The only Pirates/Red Sox remaining for the the card to the right of Stigman are Lenny Green and Roy Face, I concluded that it is Face because minor print anomalies on the pink match up and there isn't room for three consecutive new columns, I believe one missing column is to the left of the cluster and two are to the right of the cluster, I am not including the left edge column or the right edge column.

Thanks to dewey linking Coleman to Red Sox Rookies there is this six card combo.

***Gibbon*** - *Hannan*
******l**********l****
Braves Rookies - Schofield
******l***********l***
**Coleman*** - Red Sox Rookies

There is a three card vertical run of

**Barber*
***l***
Roznovsky
***l***
*Kline*

Barber has an Indian/Phillie above him which can only be Sam McDowell or Phil Linz after the others have been eliminated. I compared the blown up miscut to McDowell and Linz and it is Linz, McDowell has print anomalies that aren't present on the Barber miscut. That creates a run of

**Banks** - McDaniel
***l**********l***
**Green* - **Linz**
***l*********l***
????????? - *Barber*
***l*********l****
????????? - Roznovsky
***l*********l****
????????? - **Kline**

3x Wes Covington has an Indian/Phillie above him, there are two possible ones left, Sam McDowell and John O'Donoghue. The miscut matched up with O'Donoghue and is definitely not McDowell so that puts Covington under O'Donoghue.

Card Counts
 

I did a quick eBay check today and came up with this - do these counts dovetail with your experience? Where do we feel comfortable drawing a line between the 44 3x and the 33 4x? Theoretically the break point on this list is between Stuart at #44 (141 count) and Wyatt at #45 (145 count). Oddly, the right edge cards show 2 over 200 (including the 6th series checklist, also printed with series 5) and 5 with below 100 (including the 7th series checklist, the numbers of which should be augmented by its appearance in series 7 - artificially low due to heavy usage and disposal back in 1966?)

EDWARDS 45
BLEFARY 47
SKINNER 49
MCDOWELL 53
BUNKER 60
COLEMAN 61
BRESSOUD 61
CARDENAL 64
HOWARD 66
WOOD 67
BEARNARTH 68
ROZNOVSKY 70
ATHLETICS TEAM 71
MOELLER 72
RICHARDSON 72
GIANTS ROOKIES 72
FOX 73
JIMENEZ 75
PHILLIES TEAM 76
CARREON 77
COVINGTON 84
SCHOFIELD 85
OLIVA 86
7TH CHECKLIST 86 *
FRIEND 86
CUBS ROOKIES 87
PODRES 90
WOODESHICK 91
BUFORD 92
YANKEES ROOKIES 98
BAILEY 102
BRAVES ROOKIES 105
HARGAN 108
RED SOX ROOKIES 109
MCDANIEL 112
ELLSWORTH 115
RODGERS 119
HATTON 121
BANKS 127
NUXHALL 132
JOHNSON 136
KLINE 138
CANNIZZARO 139
STUART 141
WYATT 145
LOLICH 152
LEE 153
LATMAN 154
JOHN 157
PIRATES ROOKIES 159
GONZALEZ 165
WYNN 186
RADATZ 195
AARON 196
SIMMONS 202
MCAULIFFE 212
FACE 213
FERRARA 217
ROLLINS 221
BUCHEK 228
BARBER 232
GREEN 233
STANKY 239
HAMILTON 240
BRAGAN 246
LINZ 250
KLIPPSTEIN 257
AZCUE 260
MCCOOL 260
6TH CHECKLIST 263 *
BELINSKY 264
WILHELM 267
BENNETT 277
GIBBON 290
O'DONOGHUE 300
STIGMAN 315
HANNAN 373

Pirates Rookies IS NOT right, I think it is probably the smallest quantity of any card in the series.

The one hang up I am having is figuring out the three 4x cards on the last (right edge) column, Hamilton is the only one that is unquestionably a 4x.

I think it's Hamilton, 6th Checklist - even with inflated numbers from its 5th series print - and the 7th for the reasons I said (large amounts discarded - which would help the 6th series checklist's case as a 4x).

I am going to spend some time catching up to you tonight :)

Here is a better scan of the Latman miscut, it is Dick Stuart under him.

Here is a better scan of the miscut Hal Woodeshick, when I blow it up it looks like a tinge of yellow, there is an open 3x slot above Dick McAuliffe.

Are you counting Ellsworth as a 4x? I think he could be a 3x...and if he were, Oliva would be a good match because of the light patch of green in that area of both Oliva's photo and the sliver showing on the Ellsworth mc.

On the Pirates Rookies, it's weird - doing a search on "1966 Topps Pirates Rookies 498" gets that high number, but looking through each only 22 were actually card 498 - lots of team cards and lower number rookies. Don't see the same thing with the other rookie cards. Weird. Definitely in the 3x.

I think Ellsworth is correct as a 4x on the Nuxhall row, it is a notorious card because it shows the two year deceased Ken Hubbs on it and there is a demand for it. I do have at least one flaw on my current layout, I have a six card block of

4x ***Gibbon*** - Hannan
3x Braves Rookies -Schofield
3x **Coleman** - Red Sox Rookies

and I have nowhere to put it.

I'm an idiot - Ellsworth and Olive are in the same column...my brain is turning to mush.

Get your Phil Linz cards out - I believe the gray bordered card above Steve Barber is Linz - look carefully at the uniform thickness of the black border and the edge of the salmon field compared to Barber's. Other options are McDowell, Azcue or Banks.

1966 series 6
 

The counts for check 6 (and even perhaps check 5, or 7) are high because you have both varieties included in a simple search.

***Fox**** - Richardson - Johnson - *Hargan* - Podres - ????????? - Yankees Rookies - ??????? - Roznovsky - ????
***l**********l*********l********l********l******* ****l***********l***********l********l******l***
**Skinner** - Rodgers* - Jimenez - Phillies Tm - ?????? - Cannizzaro - **Bressoud*** - ??????? - *Kline** - ??????
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l***
**Aaron** - **Lolich* - O'Donoghue- Buchek - ?????? - *Belinsky* - ??????????????? - ??????? - ???????? - *Azcue*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* ***l***********l***********l********l*******l**
**Moeller** - *Bunker* - Covington - *Howard* - Hatton - **Wyatt** - ????????????? - ???????? - ???????? - Buford
***l*********l********l********l*********l******** ***l***********l ***********l********l******l***
Cubs Rookies - *Bob Lee* - Friend - **Oliva** - A's Team - *Blefary* - ????????????? - Banks* - McDaniel - Latman
***l*********l*********l********l*********l******* ***l***********l************l********l*******l****
*Gonzalez* - *Wynn* - ????????? - **Simmons - Radatz - Klippstein - **McAuliffe** - *Green* - **Linz** - *Stuart*
***l*********l********l********l********l********* **l************l*******************l********l****
**Nuxhall** - Ferrara - **Bennett - *Ellsworth - *Rollins - Tommy John - **McCool** - ???????? - *Barber** - ??????

I believe there are seven more 4x cards, Bragan, Face, Gibbon, Hannan, Stanky, Stigman, Wilhelm, and there are seven open slots in the three 4x rows, Aaron, Gonzalez, Nuxhall, the problem is there is no way to fit in the remaining combos and meet the other requirements in the current layout. If dewey is right about Coleman being to the left of Red Sox Rookies then there is a six card block of

Gibbon - Hannan
Braves Rookies - Schofield
Coleman - Red Sox Rookies

plus Red Sox Rookies has a Rookie Stars card to its right. Then there is a two card combo of Stigman-Face on a 4x row. I probably have at least one column in the wrong spot.

I believe Gordy Coleman has to be over either O'Donoghue or Phil Linz. These are the only 2 gray border cards aren't in column of more than 4 cards, which don't have objects along the top border and on which the sky isn't simply too dark a blue to fit. Either option would create a complete column of 7 with 3 4x and 4 3x each.

An O'donoghue match would produce a column of Coleman/Braves Rookies/Jimenez/Johnson (3x) and Gibbon, O'Donoghue/Bennett (4x).

If it's Linz we have Coleman/Braves Rookies/Roznovsky/Kline (3x) and Linz/Gibbon/Barber (4x). We know Linz has a Green bar above him, and in his scenario it would be Gibbon.

Again, this is based on the fact I don't think it could be other than these two under Coleman - I think it's probably Linz. The sky on his card is a bit lighter than O'Donoghues.

There's been a lot of activity today so tell me what I missed.

Thoughts?

Earlier today or possibly yesterday we had settled I thought on a 6-card partial column of:

Phillies
Buchek
Hargan
Wynn
Ferrara
Covington

That seems to have changed?

1966 series 6
 

Can someone re-post the Coleman miscut with a RC to its right? I can't seem to find it.

Also, this is the pattern I came up with for both LE and RE cards. That means check7 is a 4x.

LE RE
A Aaron Hamilton
B Moeller Check 6
C Cubs RS J. Wood
D Gonzalez Giants RS
E Nuxhall Check 7
F Fox Edwards
G Skinner Carreon

And here is a long forgotten mc of check 7, below what once was thought to be a TC, but now, is most like the Giants RS card.

Attachment 650343

1966 series 6
 

The slit pattern I used, under the assumption that NO row changes occurred (since we haven't observed any) is as follows:

Slit A; ABCDEFGABCDE
Slit B: DEFGABCDEFGA

This puts Aaron at both the top of a slit and the bottom of a slit (evidence supports that) and also puts Gonzalez at the top of one slit with Nuxhall at the bottom of the other.

Attachment 650344

Don't think I've seen that Coleman with a rookie stars next door. That would be good to see.

With your LE/RE comparison above, you have Moeller with the 6th series checklist - Moeller seems clearly a 3x and the checklist a 4x, no? And Gonzalez seems to be a 4x while Giants R's is a 3x - maybe switch those?

1966 series 6
 

We have evidence (miscuts) that show:

1. check 6 (Moeller row) is under Hamilton.
2. check 6 over Wood
3. Wood over Giants RS
4. Giants RS over check 7
5. Edwards over carreon
6. Carreon over Hamilton

In a very early post, there was a mc posted showing Fox below, ostensibly, the Cubs RS, which would suppport a row change. However, I think that mc was incorrectly identified and is simply a small portion of Nuxhall.

Attachment 650345

Attachment 650346

1966 Series 6
 

This should be in the Gonzalez row, which is also at the top of a slit

1966 series 6
 

Might be Azcue below Latman

1966 series 6
 

I actually do think it is Lee over Wynn

Cliff showed a blow up of the Latman a day ago or so making it clear Stuart is under Latman.

That might be a difficult match as I am tracking these two partials:

Bunker
Lee
Richardson
Rodgers
Lolich

And:

Wynn
Ferrara
Hargan
Phillies
Buchek
Covington

Having said this the last couple days of card placement have been a whirlwind and I may have missed something.

I think we've ID'd 6 cards that sit atop a slit:
Aaron (4x)
Gonzalez (4x)
Wilhelm (4x)
Lolich (hard to say)
Giants Rookies (3x)
Wynn (4x)

Even assuming Lolich to be a 4x - how can the Giants Rookies be a 3x at the top in either the Gonzalez or Aaron rows?

IF it is possible that Giants rookies is a 4x it could make the 7th series checklist a 3x.

1966 series 6
 

Using the pattern I mentioned before and this layout, (meaning Aaron and Gonzalez rows will be at top of each slit), I get Lolich in a top row and Wynn under Lee. Yes, sometimes the ebay counts don't always support 3x vs 4x exactly, but we've seen that discrepency before because of card popularity.

Attachment 650355

This series has kicked my butt, I need to take a break from it and start it all over. I cannot figure out which are the three 4x cards in the right edge column other than Hamilton, it keeps coming out as the two checklists. It may be true with Checklist 6 with R. Sox but there is no way Checklist 7 is a 4x because it was also printed on the 7th series sheets and it has very low quantities. I haven't seen proof of any row changes, which is very odd for a Topps 77 card series. The only time I have seen that was with the 1964 77 card series. I thought O'Donoghue had a row change above him but I now think that is a Jimenez card with a color shift.

You were the one who came up with the Red Sox Rookies being to the right of Coleman in post #160. It is definitely a Rookie Stars card. On top of that Red Sox Rookies has a Rookie Stars card to the right of it.

Azcue has a Rookie Stars card above him.

1966 series 6
 

I don't know the specific rows that column 11 is in but that pattern and the order of the seven cards is correct. So if we accept that Hamilton is a 4X then he must be in either the Aaron row , the Gonzales row , or the nuxhall row.

So depending upon where Hamilton goes determines which cards are 4x and which cards are 3x. So we can cycle through and figure out where to put Hamilton so that you can determine the proper 4X cards.

It may be that Hamilton is in the nuxhall row, which would make giants rs and carreon 4x and the other 4 cards 3x.

I can see the Giants Rookie Stars (Tito Fuentes) having suppressed quantities for a 4x but there is no logical reason for Camilo Carreon to be a 4x with 3x quantities.

My mind is turning to mush on this subject lately - I checked and this is even listed as a match on the spreadsheet I've been pouring over lately!

Hard to see why Giants Rookies would have demand, but whatever the cause because we know it sits at the top of a slit, along with either Aaron or Gonzalez, it has to be the 4x, no?