Hallelujah, he's back!

If there's a silver lining to this, it's that, like the extreme anti-choice laws that some states have put in place, this racist garbage will crash and burn at the national level.

Not a fair equivalence IMO. No decent person is racist. Plenty of decent people are pro-life.

Spot on.

changing words in books...coming from the left...
 

The new versions will probably be banned in Florida as too woke. :D

The world has gone mad today.

What's next, the Bible?

well Dr. Seuss! It is funny in politics if one side is doing something 90 percent and the other 10 ...the one doing it 90 percent of the time says its on 'both sides

It can only be a matter of time before some of the early Disney animated films are banned, if they are not already.

I'm not really sure how to feel about the Roald Dahl controversy. His most famous work, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, has already gone through extensive revisions since it was first released. The Oompa-Loompa's represented in the movie are nothing like they're originally described in his book. And editions of this book have featured altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa for a pretty long time. Mostly because even the original version was considered offensive shortly after it came out.

[QUOTE=packs;2316454]I'm not really sure how to feel about the Roald Dahl controversy. His most famous work, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, has already gone through extensive revisions since it was first released. The Oompa-Loompa's represented in the movie are nothing like they're originally described in his book. And editions of this book have featured altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa for a pretty long time. Mostly because even the original version was considered offensive shortly after it came out.[/QUOTE

maybe can make a law that allows someone to make a 'different' book that is similar but has the 'changes' and they cant be sued by the original publisher...maybe give the original publisher a chance to 'change' it and if not then you can do a rip off version for profit...that way the original doesnt have to change if they dont want to change it..and capitalism is intact as well

I think you're misunderstanding. The original publisher of Charlie chose to release an updated version of the book with altered descriptions for the Oompa-Loompa's because of backlash directed at the original version.

I don't know where capitalism comes in.

Way back in 1959, the Stratemeyer Syndicate, owners of The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew serial books, began revising these books. One reason was to reduce the size by about 40 pages, and to "modernize" the stories, but another big reason was to remove some pretty flagrant racial stereotypes and slurs. I have complete sets of these books, including almost all variations, and while the original stories are more interesting, some of the racial stuff is really blatant. Like, having a black servant barely able to speak English, and so on.

So, revising books to stay current with evolving social norms goes back at least half a century. The question will always be, how heavy should the hand be that pushes the revisions, and in what direction should the force be applied.

Hardly anyone gets up in arms about modern fairy tales. I've got news for everyone: most of them barely resemble the original story. The original fairy tale stories are often violent and bleak. If no one is upset about Hansel and Gretel's softening, why are they upset about Roald Dahl?

Yeah, my fear is that the cure may be worse than the disease, once censorship becomes a norm. But that said, there is some horrifying stuff in early Disney for sure. Even Aladdin 1992 was awful in how it stereotyped Arab people.

i was giving a thought as to how to handle future issues when the government wants to ban or change words used by authors..

because its a question of degree....i am going to take a wild guess and assume the original fairy tale stories are a different level then then the willy wonka

There are terrible stereo types in rap music as well and the list goes on and on.. so ban everything

Isn't the intention the same? The original fairy tale was deemed too upsetting for children so it was altered to appeal to children of the time.

What's different about Roald Dahl's work?

Yes, that aspect of some rap seems to get a very large pass for the most part. Here is a very old piece by my classmate Kim Crenshaw.

https://www.bostonreview.net/article...-and-misogyny/

People like to bring up rap. What is it about rap that pushes buttons? Someone will be upset about the lyrics to a rap song but then talk about how much they love Goodfellas or any number of movies in that vein.

The blatant vulgar misogyny, for one.

But that's what I mean. Isn't the same true for a ton of celebrated movies? Why does the music make it different?

I'm not sure what celebrated movies are as dehumanizing to women, especially black women, as some rap.

They've done similar things with more recent stories/movies already. IIRC, didn't the Space Jam: 2 movie remove Pepe Le Pew?

Spike lee seems to stereotype Italians. It's seems ok though for minorities to stereotype people , or is that a stereotype. Arrrgghh!

You remember the old Mighty Mouse cartoons, where MM would inhale white powder to get himself charged up? You don't get to see those anymore.

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Nowadays he would just take a CBD gummy, according to the 10 ads I get a day it can perform almost any miracle.

right, again question of degree, music hits home at a more basic level as to the reality of rap music versus movies. To say that rap music impacts the youth that are depicted in the music in the real world the same as 'goodfellas' is silly

its really a silly comparison, there are gangs and gang life depicted in rap who are actual gangsters in real life, i guess al pacino is gangster as well... yeah i am sure in movies there are one or two but again its a quesition of degree and its not even close

we have black racist police against black now....will it ever be ok for someone to arrest someone of another race...seems hard enough to do it as the same race and still be a racist by the media and the talking heads

What are the ton of celebrated movies you speak of.. i know i can google a ton of degrading rap videos of woman and also of actual gangsters in the videos. The real violence versus fantasy movie violence is distinct

There have been actual rappers shot and killed that were in the 'life', i am not aware of rival movies stars shooting each other over reputation and who knows why else. about 18 rappers have been shot and killed in the last 2 years or so........if they are not so different why dont i see people wearing shirts of dead movies stars that were murdered. There is a style of rap called 'battle rap' i am not aware of anything close in the celebrated movies, but i can tell you many of these battle rappers were the most popular at the time and celebrated.. Many of these murders were directly related to the rap game...not because of an angry spouse etc

..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._hop_musicians

You might remember, maybe not because it doesn't sound like you're a movie guy, but a whole host of Hollywood types in "the life" went to prison or face possible prison sentences because of some truly horrible things they've done to people in their industry. You may be even more shocked to learn that many more Hollywood types faced no consequences at all for what they did.

This is all to say there are bad people and bad themes in every medium, which is what my point is. Being a rapper doesn't say anything more about who you are than being an actor does.

At least one person, likley got AWAY with murder, was it somewhat in part to the color of his skin or his fame?

Amazing post. Some are quick to turn a blind eye to rapist Hollywood folks but focus on rappers.

I attribute that to the ineptness of the prosecution more than anything.

Who is turning a blind eye?

right there have not been any rape scandals in rap either and rape against minors in the music world ....

murder is also a unique category, murder is the highest cause death for certain youths.....unfortunately in lots of areas in life, only killing/murder gets people attention...the fact i can show you 18 murders in just one genre of murder directly related to that art form is telling... there is no hollywood comparison

Right being black or white doesnt mean anything either. So thats a a bunch of nothing. However if you want to compare the 30th best selling rappers on spotify versus the 30th best selling actors...i am going to take a wild guess that the murder rate/criminal is higher for rappers, maybe its an age thing...but it is what it is...as don lemon says 'google it'

Do you think that everything in a rap song reflects an actual life? I'm sure you're familiar with marketing and selling an image. But all of your posts about rappers and rap music seems to come from a POV that the song is real life.

Anyway, I’m not saying violence in hip hop doesn’t exist. Only that it seems to get put under a microscope. Every genre has its own issues that seem to follow them. I’m thinking of overdoses in the rock world, for example. And then there are a number of violent deaths that have little connection to music itself like Selena, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye and John Lennon.

My, this has gone off the rails... I like how each one of these "controversial" topic threads gets more absurd than the last! 🙃

again we are not talking about all this or all that. But murder is more than an 'issue' The murder of rival gang members is DIRECT connection to the music, battle rappers being murdered is a direct connection as well. Of course not all hip hop has violence. Most people in the world dont kill people. Yet we still focus on the ones that kill. All music and rap isnt actual life as well of course. Just because something doesnt occur all the time, doesnt mean its an issue especially when its murder.... 18 dead rappers that were popular in the charts killed in the last 2 years cant be chalked up as drug overdoses in other genres.. and of course there are young people that emulate these guys that are killed or the ones doing the killing as well.

Basically the point was that this music isnt as much on our tongues about being banned but we worry about one book on roberto clemente in a misleading headline or willy wanka, dr seuss etc..


there are crazy fans that kill people in all genres...for you to make a similar point you would have to show a movie star killing another movie star because of what the movie star said about him or his family in a movie, does that occur once a year? how about 18 times in 2 years? this music can be purchased easily on spotify..but again we are going to worry about a political spin on a clemente book.

https://www.okayplayer.com/news/tech...ges-death.html


https://www.hiphopoverload.com/battl...P8qA3moTcs1O_8

Is it possible that some rap artists are expressing their American experience? Some people do not get to grow up in middle and upper class households and those that do should probably not judge how those that don’t express themselves. It’s not shocking that there is more crime in poorer areas than more affluent ones.

right, does your head hurt from all that spinning. Many of these rappers have income in the top 10%. Many of these battle rappers were killed in very affluent areas. You have some narrative which makes no sense to what I was discussing. If you are defending the battle rappers that are promoting killing other rappers and are indeed being killed as the 'american experience' not sure what that means. Again not everyone is part of everything. When you have a jury trial, you wont be judged just by people your age and who look like you and make the same money. Its very insensitive of you to think that if you arent exactly like certain poeple in background you are unable to make opinions. Humans are humans and there is life experience. I think killing people due to what is sad in a rap is bad, i dont need to be from the the exact same background to make that opinion.

You need to be more tolerant of opinions. People from all backgrounds have a right to make opinions. Maybe if you open up your mind and heart to tolerance you can have a more open mind. No one should help make decisions about to to fix problems in the poorest areas unless they come from there ? I dont care where you are from, murder is never right.

Maybe I just support the First Amendment more than you do. It’s a bedrock. Much like the Second that I bet you support.

right I support both amendments just like you do. The first does not protect saying fire in a crowded theater.when there is no fire..

And usually preceded by an appearance of a marker, sorta like a robin in spring. First a meme, then a list of insane links, then Emily Litella-style stream of consciousness rambling....Play Ball!

That's deep coming from you, from a guy who posted a child abuse/pornographic photo in the "funny pictures" thread then tries to justify it by concocting a B.S. story how it ended up on your phone, and remained there no less, then got posted on here.

I asked you before so I'll ask you again. What is your major mental malfunction, Jim?

Conversations are much better when it's just Carter, strawberry and yourself.. maybe you should start your own forum?

Shall I suggest NOT54.com?

what an all star team!

Views not reminiscent of 1952 America not welcomed by some here. Color me shocked!

Its a shame you are not welcomed here based on that but if you open up to more viewpoints and include everyone you can catch up to 2023 and not be stuck in 1952. We will welcome you..

Let freedom ring.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/polit...ies/index.html