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jayshum 09-24-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2267009)
If anyone is looking for the Cliff's Notes of this 160 post thread, Bob was kind enough to provide.

Unfortunately though Bob, the Buyers Premium is charged to the buyer and I still don't know how the service to the buyer is different at 17.5% auction house than it is at a 23% auction house.

I think you missed Bob's point. If one AH has higher costs than another, they're going to have to charge a higher BP to cover them even if service is exactly the same. A plumber in NYC is going to have to charge more than a plumber somewhere with a lower cost of living even if they are doing the exact same job with the same level of quality.

BobC 09-24-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2267050)
I think you missed Bob's point. If one AH has higher costs than another, they're going to have to charge a higher BP to cover them even if service is exactly the same. A plumber in NYC is going to have to charge more than a plumber somewhere with a lower cost of living even if they are doing the exact same job with the same level of quality.

Thank you Jay!

I'm biased having been an accountant/CPA since the 70's, and to me, understanding that businesses are all going to have different costs and needs as far as what they have to charge and make to stay in business is like breathing. It is essential, and you don't even think about it.

The fact that even when we try spelling it out for others, and they still don't get it, just has me shaking my head. Oh well, all we can do is try, right?

raulus 09-24-2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2267050)
I think you missed Bob's point. If one AH has higher costs than another, they're going to have to charge a higher BP to cover them even if service is exactly the same. A plumber in NYC is going to have to charge more than a plumber somewhere with a lower cost of living even if they are doing the exact same job with the same level of quality.

I’ll take it one step further. Costs aren’t necessarily the only factor. Target profit margins are another. Even if the costs are the same, if one business aims to be more profitable, then charging more is going to be the way to get there. Assuming that people will pay your higher prices, of course!

BobC 09-24-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raulus (Post 2267174)
I’ll take it one step further. Costs aren’t necessarily the only factor. Target profit margins are another. Even if the costs are the same, if one business aims to be more profitable, then charging more is going to be the way to get there. Assuming that people will pay your higher prices, of course!

Exactly right, and exactly what was meant when I also said different AH owners have different wants/needs as far as how much they need to make in their businesses.

A business being able to provide comparable level products or services as good as their competitors is only one facet of being able to operate a successful business. They also have to be able to provide that product or service at what is deemed and perceived by the public as at a competitive cost or fee, or they aren't going to be in business very long no matter how good their product or services actually are.

ValKehl 09-24-2022 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2266730)
I'd love to see the conversation stay on point for once and explain why Hunt can survive on 17.5,% while Heritage needs 20% (I guess they haven't figured out how to capitalize on economies of scale?) and Huggins 23%? Maybe if it didn't feel so arbitrary, people wouldn't bring this up so much.

I assume the reasons Hunt Auctions can survive on a 17.5% BP are (1) because Hunt hasn't invested in state-of-the-are auction software, and (2) because Hunt seldon shows sufficient pics of its auction lots, often showing only a pic of the front of a card. You couldn't pay me to consign to Hunt Auctions!

doug.goodman 09-25-2022 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy (Post 2266824)
This is not a strong argument. Auction houses produce no product. They're simply a venue.

I don't see yours as a strong argument either, since the rent for Madison Square Garden is different than the rent for the Prudential Center across the river, although they're simply venues.

Doug "I've rented each of them" Goodman

BobC 09-25-2022 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2267197)
I assume the reasons Hunt Auctions can survive on a 17.5% BP are (1) because Hunt hasn't invested in state-of-the-are auction software, and (2) because Hunt seldon shows sufficient pics of its auction lots, often showing only a pic of the front of a card. You couldn't pay me to consign to Hunt Auctions!

Possibly very true and more good points Val.

Also, how much do all these different AHs charge for Seller's Commissions, and how much or how often might they then cut a break to consignors on those Seller's Commissions? Hunt may be charging a bit higher Seller's Commission as well to make up for the lower BP, or could be less likely to cut the Seller's Commission and do deals with consignors, thus allowing them to possibly get by on that lower BP as well.


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