And a Plank and Wagner.

Re: Rarest
 

No E271s yet:

Wow all these rare cards are great. But a Redsox Felix Mendelssohn Ruth that drops the mike for me.

Great card

I've never seen a W.M. Dick before. Thanks for whipping it out. :)

Stop The Presses :
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...EDHAAS_NEW.JPG


...I'm glad to be following Mr. Adam Of Burbank with this new arrival for my Mule Haas Athletics Playing Days Master Set ......he might know if this postcard-back is somewhat "rare"...... the other three guys on here abandoned Mr. Mack for greener but 'way colder pastures...

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Can you post the back?

I wouldn't say they abandoned Mack: no free agency. Mack Daddy sold Foxx and Grove to Boston and traded Cochrane to Detroit.

I could play this game for a year :)
Next we should do a thread for uniquely known cards.....that would cut down on some of the commons LOL
There are a few other AWA backs, in a deep old collector's collection, but not this player..

https://luckeycards.com/pe222awa.jpg

Addressee ?? and Writer ??---anybody know??
 

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..thanks for any help... I'm very glad it was never sent to " Walter Payne" at the Cleveland "Y."....were " Bob , Jack , and gang " all ballplayers on the same team circa 1929-1930 ??....I love this hobby....

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What an amazing thread! I used to own a T216 Virginia Extra Germany Schaefer that I believe was a 1/1, but I traded it earlier this year to another board member. Regrets, I have a few :)

This is probably my rarest card at the moment, although there are a couple more out there. One of my favorites.

https://live.staticflickr.com/1884/3...ddbc9e1c_c.jpg

What in the world makes this a 1? Whatever it is, that's just stupid.

Paper loss on the back. And I agree!

1931 W 517 minis.

Nowhere near as cool as most of this thread, but probably the rarest cards I have.

I also have very poorly cut actors and actresses somewhere.

In keeping with Kenny's amazing Cuban collection, this is a recent pick up, you don't see these pop up too often.
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Each of these Sam Rice cards appears to be a 1-of-1, per the combined pop reports and as I have never seen another example of any of them. Note - The PSA flip on the Standard Biscuit card is in error - it should read "1917," not 1916.

Great selection of Sams, Val!

Probably this for me.

Great cabinet, Michael. I would say this for me.

Rare Ted Williams postcard
 

Although technically a postcard, by far and away my rarest. There may be another out there, but have yet to meet the person who owns one.

This early Ted Williams, by my research is from the 1941 year, supported by the "matching" Joe DiMaggio (owned by bbpostcards [sportingoregon]). The 1941 competition between Williams and DiMaggio "sparked" baseball that year. Both bbpostcards and I wanted the pair, yet neither of us was willing to part with the one we had.

I suspect that this was a "promo" done by Gillette Razor, who started in the late 1930's or early 1940's to advertise with sports heroes (see the 1940 World Series Razor box), which due to the overwhelming success, led to the origin of the Gillette Cavalcade of Sports that ran on radio and then television from 1942-1960.

Dave

Here's the only Schutz postcard of Walter Johnson, there may be others but I've never seen one.
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Hard to beat there. The best of the early best.

Thanks, Gary. And it only took you 15 minutes to top me :p

Yeah, that's a toughie alright. I wanted to see if the back followed the usual printed format or whether it was a post-issue stamp. It is the former.

Thanks , But....
 

..Thanks but I was hoping someone could tell me how a guy who's living in the YMCA in Cleveland can afford to sit in the front row of L P stadium to watch a Sunday baseball game.....

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Thanks guys,
Everybody loves the Babe.
No Wahoo Sam or Ole Pete fans I guess lol

Great K-bats , and Boston cabs.
Singular runs of Wajo and Sam Rice in Val's collection

Menagerie back
 

Looks like this was from the same sheet as Rhotchkiss Menagerie Wagner
The upside down miss cut back and the wide bottom
Thoughts?

If so how cool is that

Bob, I do think all the Menageries are from the same sheet. Here are the two I own for comparison. If you ever feel like getting rid of the McGraw, I would be interested in it.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4393/3...36e0dcfc_c.jpghttps://live.staticflickr.com/4381/3...efd820d0_c.jpg

I used to have the color separation proofs for the 1975 Hostess George Brett (rookie year) card that was wasn't issued. Can't get rarer than a card that never existed.

Those are great Bob and DJ. We should get together and see if any match up

Menagerie
 

All great cards guys...especially love the Menagerie backs...Jerry

Some awesome cards from all. But for me, Michael's K-Bats cabinet was a treat. I followed that cabinet when auctioned a pair of times ~10-15 years ago. I was enjoying this thread on the sidelines but upon seeing the K-Bats cabinet opted to post in hopes of adding a little more Detroit love.

I believe the following to be unique Tomlinson cabinets of the 1886 team. The action poses are more common with multiple copies for each player (3-6 typical); but the portraits are tough, in some cases perhaps unique. Extra credit to anyone who can name these players (if you need help, the names are nearly legible on most of the cabinets).

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=32321

The colored mount OJs are also pretty rare, some or most of the following could be unique.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=22935

I also enjoy collecting N333 Newsboys, many of which are believed to be unique, but I'll leave that for another time.

There are others of that postcard, and other poses too.

Yes, I just had a private convo with Kevin, he has the other two Johnson's pitching and two others showing Johnson. That's the beauty of this sub, you can't find that stuff anywhere else.

Since Joe posted some nice brown and black mounts, I will post a red mount N173.

F272- Unc Wheaties
 

Great cabinet cards posted. Thanks guys..

I have never seen another one of these Wheaties cards....1941 Joe Dimaggio

https://luckeycards.com/pf272unc1941dimaggio.jpg

LOL, Anytime!







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This is a fun thread. Just to keep it going...

This is incredible!! Ruth Mendelsohn Yankees is probably my favorite Ruth I own. The Red Sox one is a priceless piece of history!

I absolutely love the Phila Alexander and that Crawford, just beautiful!! M101-6 has become one of my favorite sets!

Some more rare Ruths for the thread:

1928 Star Player Candy Ruth
 

:eek: Wow! Great card!

Thanks for sharing as fellow Ruth collector this is incredible stuff. I was mind blowing visiting your Flickr. Appreciate you sharing.

Thank you! You have some great cards in your videos!

Pretty much all T5s are rare. Based on the various population reports, this is the rarer Eddie Collins pose (although I assume there are some ungraded examples out there).

The one in the middle is the one of a kind.

Brian, what are those Meusels? They look like W590s, but I have never seen a card numbered as high as 140 in that set.

1925 W504 Universal Toy

Thought i would share this. Wish i had more of the set, picked this up many years ago. Mathewson Brunners bread.

That Astra Ruth is a terribly underrated rarity. Very few people know now hard any Astra branded card is to find. Took me years to get a Schmeling for my boxing type card collection. Meanwhile...

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...e%20Gehrig.jpg

Coney Island Arcade Lou Gehrig.

A few pop 1's to add. Paschal Universal Toy, Cole Pinkerton NYAL. Not sure how rare Bodie E122 is even tho a pop 1. Anyone else have one?

Very nice Ruth Card

1964 Penafiel (Mexico) Gehrig:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...l%20Gehrig.jpg

1/1 Cobb and Wagner
 

1/1 Cobb and Wagner cards

Wow! Really enjoying seeing all these mind-blowing rarities. What a great thread, keep it going!

+1 never seen these before.

this thread is 1 of a kind. :p

E90-1 Toughies
 

Love this set

These are absurd! Where did you get them from? What's there story?

All Star Cobb Wagner
 

Scott those are beautiful

1910 All Star Baseball Cobb & Wagner
 

Thanks to all who posted the kind words on my 1/1 Cobb & Wagner cards.

James, almost all of the cards that I have from this set came from a large collection of cards that my father and I obtained from the original collector back in the mid 1970s.

For the longest time, I had no idea what these cards even were until I started getting back into the hobby in the late 1990s and found a checklist for them. It turns out that, at the time, only 16 different players were known and I had 8 that were not part of the checklist (including Cobb and Wagner).

I reached out to Bob Lemke of SCD about the cards that weren't on the checklist and brought him proof one year at a show in Philadelphia. Below is the write up that Mr. Lemke put in SCD regarding the new additions to the set.

Scott
 

Epic find

Scott, those are awesome. I have never seen them before. Can you post back pics? What exactly are they - notebook covers? Also, how can they be from 1910 if there is a Hornsby?

I believe that Scott’s cards were issued as a part of a candy box. I think that I remember seeing a full box at some point that featured players on both the front and back of it.

The Hornsby is a notebook - part of a totally different issue.

Old Cardboard Magazine
 

Scott wrote about the set for Old Cardboard Magazine in 2005:

https://oldcardboard.com/misc/issue03/issue03.asp

Hi Ryan,

The SCD article has a couple of different checklist additions in it. The Hornsby mentioned was from a different set.

The part of the article about the additions to the 1910 All Star Baseball set starts in the middle column of the bottom part of the page and continues on the right column on the top of the page.

The cards, like a handful of other "E" cards of the period, were cut from the sides of a candy box produced by Dockman & Sons (who was also one of the brands found on the backs of E92 cards).

Since these were cut from the sides of a candy box, they are blank backed, but they are known to have been produced by Dockman & Sons as there are at least two complete boxes known to exist.

I don't own either of the complete boxes but I'm adding images of one of the complete boxes that used to be owned by Lew Lipset.

Here is the current known checklist of 24 cards in the set.

https://oldcardboard.com/e/e2/all-st...ar-bb-list.asp

Wow. Very cool. And Aaron, thanks for the link

After closing out his HOF MLB career, Arky Vaughan went to San Francisco for a final season in the sun with the PCL Seals. He was supposed to go on the team's 1949 postseason tour of Japan but retired instead. It was the first American goodwill tour of Japan since the war and did immeasurable good in restoring relations between the country. The Japanese card makers issued a number of menko (cartoon) and bromide (photographic) cards of the Seals, including these Vaughan cards:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...aughan%201.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...Vaughn%202.jpg

And this one is so rare that no one can seem to figure out what it is:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ll%20Stamp.jpg

Orange Border Wagner Batting
 

Not sure how rare this is, but I have not seen another one.

Wagner
 

Those are great Scott...George I would say any Orange Border is rare and a Wagner especially...Jerry

Those Dockman boxes are awesome. They just about tell the whole story. The manufacturer of the boxes, J.M. Raffel Company, also had a company baseball team for a period of time.

Ruth 1920.

Great Ruth!

I don't know if this qualifies because of how many are here, but if you count it as a group, I've never heard of three 1890 Old Judge Player's League cards of the same pose together. Most Player's League poses don't have three examples.

Unfortunately these scans are old, 1890 OJ cards have poor picture quality, and the PL is hard to see in all of them, which is how I ended up with all three for about $400 total, when even the low grade one should have went for more. The "(PL)" on every card is to the right of his left foot. It's easier to see in person on all three cards.

What an interesting set! So there were ballplayers on both sides of the box, right, two to the box? If one discovery of new ones expands the checklist by half, I guess there could have been many more players in the original issue. I've always wondered how things like this can be so rare. Anybody else have any of these? Perhaps these were test issues, or proofs, otherwise why aren't there more of them around? You'd think more than one kid would have kept the boxes to put other cards or stuff in. Wonder what the candy or gifts consisted of? And what's with the "privilege of opening and examining" on the flap? What's that supposed to mean? Last mystery: how in the world did Scott's two examples get graded so differently by SGC? A clearly hand-cut card gets a "5?" Wow! Overall, these are the coolest things I've seen in a long time.

Great thread and stuff shown. The rarest ones are great.

Some fun postcards.

https://luckeycards.com/pcx3tobacco.jpg

Super rare. Others exist, but very very few. I sold a portrait Wagner Orange border in memory lane earlier this year, and I kind of regret it. I think the batting pose is tougher than portrait and portrait is near impossible. Those are tough tough cards.

Wagner with wrong back.
 

I used to own that Wagner with the Menagerie wrong back 20 years ago! Or one just like it! Here are a few of mine now!

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image.../78547/ty-cobb

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...7/honus-wagner

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...gner-back-blue

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...7/tris-speaker

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...s-speaker-back

Nice ones, gang.

This Buchner-looking card was unknown-unknown until discovered in an old scrapbook by a board member. Welch was not known to be included in the n284 Buchner series until this card surfaced. Without an advertising back, one can't call this an "n284", maybe a poster cut for a card that never was, maybe a "chase" card, ha-ha. Anyway, I keep it with the other n284's.

Hi Hank,

I'll try to keep my reply brief as I don't want to take up much more of the thread discussing this one particular set with all of the other great rarities being posted.

As Aaron mentioned, I wrote about the 1910 All Star Baseball set in Old Cardboard magazine issue #3 (thanks Aaron for posting the link!). There is a lot more detail to be found in that article than what I'm about to post in response. Feel free to PM me if you still have questions after this response or would like to discuss the set further.

Yes, there are two subjects per box (one on each side). Not only that, each of the known boxes consists of one subject from the American League and one from the National League at the same position. Of the known set checklist, there exists a pair of players for each position (1 AL, 1 NL) with two notable exceptions, four subjects listed as "Baserunners" (again split between the leagues), a manager for each league and Cobb and Wagner listed as "Batters".

The notable exceptions missing from the known checklist are a catcher for the AL and a second baseman for the NL. Other than that, I think that the known set of 24 subjects is fairly complete as the composition of one player from each league at a given position seems pretty intentional based upon the box design and the checklist of known subjects.

Why don't more examples exist from this or other candy box issues of the period such as Baseball Bats, J=K or Orange Borders? (BTW, nice Orange Border Wagner George!)

I would say that, for kids of the time, the candy was the main thing that they were interested in. I would imagine that in most cases the boxes were ripped open, the candy was consumed and the boxes discarded. Also, these candy issues were likely distributed in a much smaller region than most of the tobacco products of the era.

As far as why SGC choose to give the Cobb a numerical grade I have no idea. They were all cut from a candy box so really I would have expected it to be graded "Authentic" like almost all of the others were that I submitted from my set.

Hank, here's another example of a Dockman & Sons All Star Base-Ball card:

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=10120

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=22874

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=31655

Beautiful cards Dean

1949 Sommer & Kaufmann card signed by Lefty. A tough set to find at all, PSA has graded no Lefty cards from either S&K issue. I suspect this signed specimen is the only one in the world.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...SK%20PDoul.jpg

And just for s**ts and giggles, here'e the 1948:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20OquDoul.jpg