Submission logged today at SGC so we will see what the turn around is.

the perceived discount comes from an unfair comparison:
1) old slab SGC is generally a grade lower, so buyers discount it.
2) significance of PWCC sales for PSA which are not reality.
3) not enough data points to accurately compare. PSA cards have way more volume.

if you comp pretty much any card pre-1990, and take in consideration these 3 points, you'll get essentially the same price.

20-25 business day estimate. Reholder received on March 12, shipped March 23 (8 business days).

Been a while - so how's this work?
 

I sent in a sub on March 12th. Tracking shows delivered March 17th. SGC still not showing it as "received"?

I would reach out to their customer service if you never got an email from them that confirmed they received your order by now.

I submitted a batch including raw cards, crossovers, and a reholder that was received on March 15. It's in post-grading processing as of this morning.

My 2 card Mantle submission was turned around in 7 business days - arrived 3/12 and shipped back yesterday. I'd say that's more than reasonable for $75 all in including shipping. I should hopefully have them back in my hot little hands on Friday.

Today when I try to visit the SGC website, all of my browsers try to steer me away saying it isn't safe. Does anyone know if there is an issue there right now? Or maybe safari, chrome, and Firefox are all just haywire this morning....

I'm seeing the same thing. I imagine their IT is on this (or will be shortly).

Back up!

It is back up, thanks. And I was able to get in touch with SGC. I'll probably send off a shipment of 50s Topps cards I've been meaning to get graded.

One thing I learned, though, is that they seemed to have narrowed their focus quite a bit. I wrote to customer service asking about a number of vintage Japanese cards that they've graded in the past (almost all of them are available at various dealers in SGC slabs right now) and was told that they do not currently grade these issues.

It makes sense. Streamlining their focus to the most commonly graded sets and steering away from less popular sets should let them streamline their operations and help avoid backlog issues seen at some of the other grading companies. Inconvenient for me at the moment, but probably a good move for the company....

Okay. got the "received email" this morning.
 

I did reach out to customer service by email 2 days ago(have not seen a response to that email yet).

This morning I received a "received" email for my submission - so they got it 3/17. Logged it received 3/25. Showing on their website as in "post grading processing". To be continued.....

I got clobbered on my PSA crossovers, for anyone wondering about comparative grading standards.

Ya...I've had some real head scratchers from SGC recently. They are much tougher than PSA...atleast on pre wwi imo. Amazing how the masses have been mislead?

Could you give some details?

My order was received at SGC on 3/10, they shipped them back on 3/19 and I had the cards in hand on 3/22. Luckily, I started my submission form on 3/1 and got the $15/card rate!!! I'm not so sure I'll be sending anything in at the new price level of $25/card.

Three post-war (50s and 60s) cards in older PSA holders. I planned to cross them over because I prefer the SGC holder, think they're more consistent at grading vintage and pre-war, and simply think they run a better operation than PSA. I sent them in expecting grade reductions and picked minimum grades that I thought left plenty of room (up to a full grade lower). One came back .5 lower and the other two didn't meet the minimum standard. I should have sent them in for any numerical grade, which is what I'll likely do now.

I think this has to do with age of the grade. its a myth that any of the big 3 have 'tougher' standards. the fact is, 5 years ago everyone was grading on a looser scale. So if you cross an old PSA graded card to SGC (or an old SGC graded card to PSA) you are going to take a hit. this would not be a problem if everyone was 'buying the card' - the numerical grade should not matter.... but unfortunately, sellers are able to sell overgraded cards at their slabbed grade price. Not enough buyers are forcing their hands at the moment.

We agree, I think. I expected a drop based on my own evaluation of the cards vs. the grade they had been assigned and the passage of time and thought I'd accounted for that. Not so. This was not to say that SGC is "tougher" than PSA, but that attributing "toughness" to PSA as some sort of standard bearer is misguided.

agreed.

Overreached
 

While I commend their quick turnaround times, I think there $25/card is a bit too high / too fast. In November or so they were $10/card and then cut off bulk subs and went to $15/card. Just 2 months later $25/card with PSA still offering $20/card value subs albeit a one year wait.... Point being I think $20 a card is where they should have landed, not $25, plus they were able to see PSAs new prices before responding.

Man do I need that Matty in a 2...

SO you collect for value?

I pay 20 a card in bulk subs.

If you need one, let me know. Send 10 cards and it drops to $18 I believe

Not seeing any information on SGC site pertaining to "bulk" subs?

Have always preferred SGC until lately with the price increases.

Found some email on our last PSA bulk submission where I dropped off at USPS on May 11, 2020 (still waiting) - so pretty much done with PSA also for the foreseeable future.

I guess I am probably leaning more towards CSG these days for any new submissions........

I'm in a quandry myself. I am still waiting on a group sub from August. Crazy, I know. Something HAS to be done about the backlog.

Beautiful cards, especially that Aaron RC. I don't mean to horn in on this thread but, what is it going to cost you to get them graded?

I sent a 1971 Greatest Moments in of Killebrew and was very happy with SGC. I am thinking about sending these two in just to have them slabbed but I am concerned about cost. What do you think fees will be for these two. Is SGC tough on premium for higher end cards? Not concerned about high grades, just want them slabbed. I know a lot of people become concerned about leaving money on the table but these two cards have been and will always be PC cards. Any info from members would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0857ccee_c.jpg1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #144 (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1b0c2b54_c.jpg1906 T206 Ty Cobb (Raw) by Todd Jenkins, on Flickr[/IMG]

Hey MC

I have gotten clobbered by both companies when attempting a crossover. Just sayin’.

I've always subbed based on expected value after being graded, but someone that I know that subs modern to them told me that their price structure is strictly based on how much you want to insure the card for while they have it. According to him he subbed two Mike Trout rookie cards at the $499 ($25 per card) and it was fine.

Upcharge on Ruth and Cobb.....
 

Many 1st hand accounts of MY cards beiing up charged so.....if you send these in at $500 value, you will get up charged. Fact.

My "guess" and it could range is that you will get an email or phone call that the fee will be $250 or so per card, maybe more.

You will NOT get these slabbed at SGC if you put $499 on the value.

Cool cards and I feel if you have the money, they need to be slabbed. They would look really nice slabbed regardless of what TPG you use but with SGC youll have them back within a couple to few weeks as opposed to months with other TPGs.

Peace, Mike

The colors on the Goudey Ruth seem off. I hope for your sake the card is real.

Sent an order on the 10th; shipped back to me Friday. Kudos to SGC for delivering what they promised.

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My next order will go in very soon.

PSA likely has a backlog of over a million cards. The right thing to do, would have been to stop accepting submissions. But no, PSA raises prices in an attempt to stem the flow.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...A4MjYwNTQyMQS2

Just an FYI, if you are shipping to SGC via USPS, your box is not delivered directly to SGC. But rather, boxes are held at the local post office and picked up by SGC. Not a huge deal, but it does take longer. My expensive shipment has been sitting at the post office since last Wednesday and still shows “Available for pickup”. I know there’s waits associated, but I also know how sloppy USPS/UPS type facilities are, as I worked for them for 15 yrs. I was told Fedex delivers direct.

I have seen this recently with other companies that I have returned stuff to, but I noticed with SGC my package was "Out for Delivery" all day and then into the night, and never got scanned. Then the next day the tracking status said "Alert - Awaiting Delivery Scan". At some point this got fixed, but I had the email from SGC saying they had received my cards before the scan was made by the USPS that actually showed them delivered. It just seemed odd.

These are the types of things that talk me out of sending bigger cards off for grading. Not worth the stress.

it goes to a special room in the Post Office and they pick it up daily. There should never be more than 1 day from when the tracking says "delivered" and when its logged in the system. I am sure you have already done this, but definitely email SGC.

Per tracking, it made it to their post office Thursday morning. Emailed SGC Thursday night after some odd tracking activity. Waited the rest of Thur, then Friday with USPS tracking still saying “Available for pickup”. Then expecting a pickup to occur today, nothing yet, same tracking status. I was told they make it by the post office a few times per week. I expect too much from others based off my own output/ethic/urgency I guess. I know my urgency would be up just a little if I knew a customer had a 10k box waiting for pickup.

Update
 

WOW!! As stated tracking shows my order received on the 17th. SGC logged it received March 25th - I am staring at my graded cards that I just received back!! The turnaround was INSANELY fast!!

Some thoughts:

1) As most of these cards are to sell, here is the way I see it - I would have to get $75 more per card just to cover the difference in grading fees if I went with PSA AND that doesn't account for the time value factor which is HUGE with PSA now - I have Thousdands of dollars in cards sitting at PSA in 5 separate orders, the oldest of which they received in July 2020 and HAVE NO IDEA WHEN I'LL SEE THEM AGAIN. Tying up inventory indefinitely/ for that length of time has a huge cost!! I think this is a real potential opportunity for SGC.

2) In terms of grades (and my opinion): 18 came back graded "right". 1 came back overgraded. 6 came back undergraded (3 of them GROSSLY undergraded).

3) SGC will be seeing more of my business!

Wow!
 

Howard,

Thanks for sharing and your honesty on how you felt they graded your gems.
When I started this post just a few weeks ago in early March, i could not imagine it would have almost 10,000 views in a few weeks! I think SGC is a very obvious choice for informed and frustrated collectors and I'm glad to see others have figured that out. $25 a card is really a steal when you can actually hold your graded gem a mere month or less after you ship!

Thanks!

Peaxe, Mike

I purchased both cards from an Auction company 15 to 20 years ago. I was guaranteed authenticity on both but the Ruth was faded from being displayed. I did not pay even close to today's prices, obviously so whatever happens, happens!

SGC's newfound turnaround ability is pretty cool, but what's not is when they send you cards back with defective gaskets and shards of plastic sticking out ready to cut into your cards. I had to pop the most valuable card from my last submission a day after I got it last week. (They did get my cards back to me in 7 business days). The card was not damaged, but extremely frustrating just the same.

I will not be submitting to SGC again until they can prove they've upped the ante on quality control.

Well they stopped accepting crossovers and other lower tier services. They should have done this last year.

Update: Sent in a mostly 90's submission on Sunday and have yet to get my cards back.

SGC burned me over the summer but I believe in second chances. Plus, I kind of like how "modern" cards look in its slab.

SGC claimed that their backlog is gone and they will "never" be backlogged again. It will be interesting to see if that claim holds up after PSA suspends all submissions and now SGC gets flooded with them again.

Was thinking the same thing Robert.

I'm expecting them to get backlogged pretty quickly because of it

At $25 a card minimum, and not a great reputation in resale value for shiny card collectors, they may not get the upsurge you're expecting, though they will certainly see an uptick in vintage submissions.

I have a feeling CSG is going to get slammed. They are new, but they are not new to the grading business, and their $8 bulk rate seems like an easy pivot for the modern card collectors who want to risk sending in common cards hoping to hit it big with a high grade.

I sent about 20 cards in to them at the beginning of the month under "Economy" and they have yet to even be logged in yet, so I'm guessing it's already started over there.

There's even chatter on the boards over there (likely unfounded.....but who knows ;) ) that PSA strategically timed their shutdown in order to flood CSG and others with cheap cards and back up their competitors in a similar fashion.

Cards logged on March 22 are on their way back according to the. Email I just got from SGC today. So much better than my last experience with SGC. Not tHat I have that many cards graded but a 4 1/2 month wait was out of control. Restored my confidence in SGC for now. Have some higher dollar slabs that I would like to cross over to SGC for my display case.

Cards were logged 3/22/21 and in my hands 4/3/21. 12 days for a standard submission, much better than the 4 1/2 months that the last submission took. Fortunately this was at he $25 price. Glad I got them in before the price tripled. Fortunately most of my collections are nearly complete so won’t have much to submit in the future so price increases do not really affect me.

Anyone see the SGC increase again? $75 per card. I'm out for now.

The prices increased April 1st.

I didn't see it until today. Is anyone submitting any cards at this lowest tier right now? I would think the influx of cards would slow quickly now.

Considering PSA's lowest tier is $300 I guess SGC will keep receiving submissions. I sent one card to each of them at these prices.

The lowest tier goes all the way up to $1500 so I'm sure they are receiving plenty. Just not many worth under $500, which was the point of the increase I think.

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Good point. I was also thinking of the ultra modern submissions. Probably not as attractive at this price point. I agree, though, if I had a vintage card for example that was worth $1000-1500 the fee wouldn't be that bad for the quick turnaround. For now it seems those wanting to grade cards (with PSA or SGC) valued at $100 or less will be waiting until PSA's backlog is caught up. Maybe the smaller players will get a bump from all of this?

Update: Cards marked as Received by SGC 3/30. Just got notification that they’re on their way back to me. Grades were as expected, except my 54T Williams 250 got an A. Disappointed on that, as I paid basically VG/EX-EX money for it on here a few months ago. Just letting it go without too much mind, as I’ll give the seller benefit of the doubt on its known condition. Looking forward to getting them in hand now!

Send picks of the Ted Williams when it returns.

Overall, happy with my results. Guess I’m in the market again for a 250 Williams, buying graded next go. Here are the scans:

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Beautiful cards. Does that Aaron have a small crease somewhere? Looks better than VG-EX and more like EX-MT+. I have a few on the way back too, with a 55 Bowman Mantle that got an 'A' for 'evidence of trim' that I wasn't expecting.

There is a small corner wrinkle on the back of the Aaron, very faint and only about 1/8”. I’m usually into crease/wrinkle free cards, but I didn’t mind this one. Couldn’t see it unless I angled the card in light to find it, so I’m more than content. Seeing that “A” in results stings doesn’t it? I wish a simple line or two with justification for grade accompanied Authentic grades.

Any chance the Williams had been in a screw down? Looks like corners might be compressed.

This is interesting. My Exhibits Paige came back A, and I couldn't figure out why. It has some issues, but I thought it would get a numeric grade. It came to me in a screwdown holder. Perhaps that was it.

I guess I'm not able to recognize compressed corners, because they don't stand out to me on that Williams, and I thought the corners on my Paige looked normal but worn. Any thoughts?

I'm not sure what they do now, but if you selected the option to not slab as "A" you got an explanation ticket back with the card.
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It was in a Cardsaver when I received it, but possibly in a screw down at some point. It didn’t appear to have compression on corners/borders when I looked it over at time of purchase. Matched up in size to my others, and I found nothing obvious. I reached out to SGC asking for notes, but I was told the grader provided nothing for detail.

Trying to make up my mind on what I want to do with the card at this point. Keep it/buy a numerical graded copy to go with it, crack and resub to PSA eventually, or sell it. Leaning towards keeping it as is and buying an already graded EX.

I was not aware of that, thank you.

Same here. I reached out for notes or an explanation and was advised that the graders don't keep notes. I sent it back in for review even though I'm not holding out much hope for a change.

Much harder to see on a card with a matte surface, sorry.

Thank you anyways!

Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically.

I was wondering the same thing. I was always under the impression that the miscut hurt the grade but wasn't a disqualifying factor

Wazoo- "Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically."


Maybe when a card is factory cut but still smaller than allowable size tolerance.

I never checked with them, and I sent the Needham in a long time ago.
But I think what it was is that the top and bottom were very rough cuts. Probably bad enough that most casual collectors wouldn't think of them as factory edges.

This scan doesn't really do justice to how rough they really are.
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I was annoyed at first, but eventually figured that if most people who haven't seen many would doubt it, having it with a number grade would probably hurt the grading co reputation.

Same for cards that are undersize but have factory cuts. How often do we see stuff posted like "how could they grade a card that's that short? It must be trimmed"

Well said. And makes sense to me. Funny how yours is a Sov. Here is mine for comparison. Appears to be diamond cut as day, although severe I suppose.

Cards received 3/31 and are being mailed today (4/12). Not bad at all!! Very happy with the service.

Nice....
 

Snuck one in at the $25 service level, 12 days turnaround!

Logged on: APRIL 1ST 2021, 12:09:48 PM
(SHIPPED ON: APRIL 13TH 2021, 12:29:48 PM)

Peace, Mike

PS I'll be submitting at the new $75 level at end of week. Will update accordingly.

That should be a VG, maybe a bit better any time.

From the other thread, it looks like they don't have anyone with a clue anymore.

For a card that measures, and has not received an alterations that I’m aware of, it should receive a numerical grade. I don’t understand how a factory miscut/diamond cut warrants otherwise. Authentic has become too large of a designation in my opinion, leaves a lot of collectors looking at slabs and grades in the dark.

Or at least do the miscut grade cap to a 1.5-2 like I’ve seen previously. Plenty of cards with partial names on top in recent slabs that are getting 3s...

I just got back a T206 Sweeney with name on top and bottom about a month ago and it got a numerical grade. This must be a VERY recent change for them. I've been loyal to SGC but it has me considering other options.