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jchcollins 02-20-2019 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1856602)
Ok, so the OP totally screwed up and the Wags has never been for sale. The OP is on very, very thin ice. There is a story....I don't think it was outright 100% fraud. It sounds like a casual conversation that the OP tried to make more out of it than there was.

I noticed that when you tried to go to his webpage with all the music memorabilia, the link to the card was gone earlier today. Same thing on their Facebook page.

Peter_Spaeth 02-20-2019 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1856602)
Ok, so the OP totally screwed up and the Wags has never been for sale. The OP is on very, very thin ice. There is a story....I don't think it was outright 100% fraud. It sounds like a casual conversation that the OP tried to make more out of it than there was.

Huh?

SetBuilder 02-20-2019 01:40 PM

Is the OP even affiliated with the GottaHaveRockandRoll website or is he just a rogue employee? :confused:

Yastrzemski Sports 02-20-2019 01:47 PM

My impression is that he is a new employee trying to score points with the boss by moving some big dollar merchandise - that he doesn’t have permission to sell. Safe to say that plan backfired.

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Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1856607)
Is the OP even affiliated with the GottaHaveRockandRoll website or is he just a rogue employee? :confused:


SetBuilder 02-20-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1856610)
My impression is that he is a new employee trying to score points with the boss by moving some big dollar merchandise - that he doesn’t have permission to sell. Safe to say that plan backfired.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

dictoresno 02-20-2019 02:29 PM

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its still on their facebook page. but I just find it odd they have one old half ass scan of the card and not their own hi-def one like any good auction company would have. not to mention, any reasonable owner of this card would have it properly advertised. theres no mention of it on their website, nor anything I can find currently at auction. Everything that have on their site looks like auctions closed 12/1/18. maybe someone should just simply call them and ask if they can verify the story here. these are their listed phone numbers.....

800-950-1202
212-750-7900

Leon 02-20-2019 02:39 PM

It is too long of a story for me to go into. I don't know exactly what was said but to me it sounds like the owner said, sort of sarcastically (maybe) sure I will sell for a xx (fairly high price), then Dylan took that flippant remark and started to go to town selling it. That is my take. I don't think it was ever exactly for sale. But I do think the owner might have it in someone else's possession, which I find sort of weird. Either way, I don't believe it was an outright scam but I don't believe it was supposed to be for sale either. Who knows..

ps...post 164 nailed it, I think

Peter_Spaeth 02-20-2019 02:52 PM

Guess the skeptics weren't so wrong after all, eh?

Yastrzemski Sports 02-20-2019 03:03 PM

So, is Black Betsy still for sale? PM me.

Leon 02-20-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1856642)
Guess the skeptics weren't so wrong after all, eh?

Sort of. There is a card, and possibly in the possession of someone this person works for, but it was never for sale. Not really an outright troll in my book. A huge mistake with no victims except us reading this. :eek: Like sands in the hourglass so are the Days of our Lives.

Peter_Spaeth 02-20-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1856649)
Sort of. There is a card, and possibly in the possession of someone this person works for, but it was never for sale. Not really an outright troll in my book. A huge mistake with no victims except us reading this. :eek: Like sands in the hourglass so are the Days of our Lives.

I don't think anyone thought he was a troll, just that something was off, and it was.

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-20-2019 03:09 PM

Actually gottahaveit is a victim. Between this and BO they look like fools.

pokerplyr80 02-20-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1856610)
My impression is that he is a new employee trying to score points with the boss by moving some big dollar merchandise - that he doesn’t have permission to sell. Safe to say that plan backfired.

Maybe he's paid on commission and this was a poorly executed plan to make a pay check. If this employee isn't already looking for a new job I hope he has been banned from listing anything for sale online.

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-20-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1856661)
Maybe he's paid on commission and this was a poorly executed plan to make a pay check. If this employee isn't already looking for a new job I hope he has been banned from listing anything for sale online.

It was an honest mistake. But the card is a great piece and we have other great pieces that we do own. I will be much more clear and professional the next time I make posts. If you guys don't want to see what else we have, could get, or just network in general, then I will not post in this forum anymore. But I will make sure to get everything straight and professional for the next time I do post.

iowadoc77 02-20-2019 03:55 PM

I absolutely guarantee people on this board want to see what is for sale but take a lot of pointers from this thread and have some conversations before posting next time. It will save you a lot of time and heartache and sarcasm.

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-20-2019 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iowadoc77 (Post 1856673)
I absolutely guarantee people on this board want to see what is for sale but take a lot of pointers from this thread and have some conversations before posting next time. It will save you a lot of time and heartache and sarcasm.

Yes sir. Take a positive out of everything. You live and you learn and whats done is done. I apologize and you will see some great things in the future.

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-20-2019 04:07 PM

I hope you can learn, but since you made the same exact mistakes here as you did on BO I'm not optimistic. Prove me wrong!

iwantitiwinit 02-20-2019 04:15 PM

What we have here is, failure to communicate.

frankbmd 02-20-2019 04:28 PM

A funny thing happened on his way to the forum

pokerplyr80 02-20-2019 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll (Post 1856663)
It was an honest mistake. But the card is a great piece and we have other great pieces that we do own. I will be much more clear and professional the next time I make posts. If you guys don't want to see what else we have, could get, or just network in general, then I will not post in this forum anymore. But I will make sure to get everything straight and professional for the next time I do post.

Everyone makes mistakes. If I were you I'd apologize to my boss and ask permission before making any more public statements as a representative of the company.

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-20-2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit (Post 1856687)
What we have here is, failure to communicate.

Just watched this Sunday night!

Republicaninmass 02-20-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll (Post 1856678)
Yes sir. Take a positive out of everything. You live and you learn and whats done is done. I apologize and you will see some great things in the future.

Hi, I sent a PM on a few of the great things, but never heard back

mrvster 02-20-2019 04:56 PM

this has always been
 
super shady......I'm sorry

Throttlesteer 02-20-2019 05:18 PM

But is he the real slim shady?

Gobucsmagic74 02-20-2019 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll (Post 1856663)
It was an honest mistake. But the card is a great piece and we have other great pieces that we do own. I will be much more clear and professional the next time I make posts. If you guys don't want to see what else we have, could get, or just network in general, then I will not post in this forum anymore. But I will make sure to get everything straight and professional for the next time I do post.

Maybe just stick with what you actually have for the time being.

dictoresno 02-20-2019 05:59 PM

does the owner of the company even know you registered and posted here using a username bearing the company name and in doing such "represented" as them.

Rhotchkiss 02-20-2019 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1856649)
Sort of. There is a card, and possibly in the possession of someone this person works for, but it was never for sale. Not really an outright troll in my book. A huge mistake with no victims except us reading this. :eek: Like sands in the hourglass so are the Days of our Lives.

I have emailed the OP (Dylan). Leon is exactly right. This card exists, but it’s not openly/actually for sale. I believe the OP thought that if he brought the owner a crazy-high price, he could get the owner to sell it, but I don’t think it’s the OP’s card to sell. Nor do I think he was asked to try to sell the card. Seems dude got way out in front of his skis on this one and brought it to the wrong place; not the best way to go It IMO.

ullmandds 02-20-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dictoresno (Post 1856724)
does the owner of the company even know you registered and posted here using a username bearing the company name and in doing such "represented" as them.

The dreaded face plant!!

ullmandds 02-20-2019 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer (Post 1856711)
But is he the real slim shady?

No way hes definitely one of the other slim shadies!!

dictoresno 02-20-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1856733)
The dreaded face plant!!

second time he's bitten off more he can chew on two different forums.

joshleland 02-20-2019 09:46 PM

ez now
 
I am pretty sure this was the son of one of the owners of Gotta Have It. I met him at the apartment where I often bought stuff from the dad, when he was very young (maybe 5 or 6) many years ago. There is no grand fraud here just a kid that got in over his head and now regrets it. I don't see how anyone was hurt by this except maybe Gotta Have It in the eyes of some. Good thing it was caught in time. But remember its still its a kid and I dont think he knew any better or wasnt prepared for what he was getting into and he should get some slack. If a deal went down thats a different story but I am sure one of your kids out there took a baseball card to Show and Tell and wasn't supposed to. Now you have a kid who's father (who I know quite well) is a top dealer dealing in millions and he wants to be like his dad and make him proud.

This is all conjecture I only know what I read here. I have not spoken to anyone inside or out.

SetBuilder 02-21-2019 04:12 AM

Maybe this was an expertly planned and cleverly executed publicity stunt to promote the GottaHaveIt brand. No publicity is bad publicity! Now hundreds of well heeled baseball card collectors, who didn't know this company existed 3 days ago, now know who they are and what they have.

callou2131 02-21-2019 08:36 PM

Still skeptical. The whole Jordan thread on BO just screamed scammer. Bought the collection 15 years ago, and never did anything with it, Had legitimate offers if he would send pics, he wouldnt, had offers to meet up so they could purchase the lot, wouldnt. Then goes and asks people to send him 2000 Tom Brady Autos, Patrick Mahomes etc. for him to sell. Just the whole thing was...off.

Peter_Spaeth 02-21-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joshleland (Post 1856787)
I am pretty sure this was the son of one of the owners of Gotta Have It. I met him at the apartment where I often bought stuff from the dad, when he was very young (maybe 5 or 6) many years ago. There is no grand fraud here just a kid that got in over his head and now regrets it. I don't see how anyone was hurt by this except maybe Gotta Have It in the eyes of some. Good thing it was caught in time. But remember its still its a kid and I dont think he knew any better or wasnt prepared for what he was getting into and he should get some slack. If a deal went down thats a different story but I am sure one of your kids out there took a baseball card to Show and Tell and wasn't supposed to. Now you have a kid who's father (who I know quite well) is a top dealer dealing in millions and he wants to be like his dad and make him proud.

This is all conjecture I only know what I read here. I have not spoken to anyone inside or out.

I exchanged some private messages with him and I too had the impression he was relatively young. Could be wrong.

Leon 02-22-2019 07:23 AM

After speaking with the owner of the card yesterday, who I actually have known for quite some time (come to find out), I don't believe it was for publicity. I think it was a mistake. The owner is a board member but doesn't come on too often, I guess. While we were chatting I reset his password for him. So at least something good came out of this mess.

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Originally Posted by SetBuilder (Post 1856810)
Maybe this was an expertly planned and cleverly executed publicity stunt to promote the GottaHaveIt brand. No publicity is bad publicity! Now hundreds of well heeled baseball card collectors, who didn't know this company existed 3 days ago, now know who they are and what they have.


dictoresno 02-22-2019 08:10 AM

I still think the person misrepresents the company as a whole, having his username as the company name and speaking about items for sale on their behalf that really aren't for sale. his username should be changed as to end the confusion. I still bet that the owner of the company has no idea what this guy was doing, speaking for them as if he is the proper consignor or the mess that ensued.

Leon 02-22-2019 08:38 AM

Please put your full name next to your post per the rules. You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else we just need to adhere to the rule in bold print at the top of every page. thanks

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Originally Posted by dictoresno (Post 1857126)
I still think the person misrepresents the company as a whole, having his username as the company name and speaking about items for sale on their behalf that really aren't for sale. his username should be changed as to end the confusion. I still bet that the owner of the company has no idea what this guy was doing, speaking for them as if he is the proper consignor or the mess that ensued.


MVSNYC 02-22-2019 06:26 PM

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Seems like a moot point now, but here are close up shots of the card I took, when I saw it in their shop about 6-7 years ago.

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-22-2019 06:47 PM

Clear PSA 4...

SetBuilder 02-23-2019 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1857319)
Seems like a moot point now, but here are close up shots of the card I took, when I saw it in their shop about 6-7 years ago.

Looks like they tried to cover the creases and clean up the edges. What a shame...still a nice card though.

iowadoc77 02-23-2019 09:58 AM

Alright alright. I get it. It’s not a 4. I guess if nobody else wants it I will take it.
It can be a placeholder for me for now until I get ahold of the PSA 8. And that one is DEFINITELY a legit 8 so it will probably cost about 90 million or something like that. Definitely within reach.
Will look great next to my PSA 10 1952 Mantle. Unless I have to sell it. At least I know who to consign it with...

chalupacollects 02-25-2019 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1856483)
Just wondering if anyone has called gottahaveit to see if this guy is legit? After reading this and the blowout forum - I would say that I wouldn’t put this guy in charge of selling anything... certainly not millions of dollars worth of memorabilia. Gottahaveit is currently hosting auctions and selling items for several hundred thousand dollars. I’m sure their sales people are highly knowledgeable professionals who have some experience. They certainly have the ability to sell this themselves and must have sports connections. If he works there they may want to know the reputation he is putting out there for the company.

What's a little weird is that they do run their own auctions, but maybe they are seeking more baseball eyes on this card...

ruth-gehrig 02-25-2019 05:02 PM

T206 wasnt for sale but these are
 
These are for sale, apparently
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=266248

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-25-2019 05:16 PM

Yes, those are for sale

Yastrzemski Sports 02-25-2019 05:23 PM

I thought the credits ran on this s-show a week ago. That kid doesn’t know when to quit. Another post with rare multi thousand dollar cards which he may or may not own with no pics asking for a dm probably to be followed by offers to take items on consignment. He just doesn’t get it.

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-25-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1858179)
I thought the credits ran on this s-show a week ago. That kid doesn’t know when to quit. Another post with rare multi thousand dollar cards which he may or may not own with no pics asking for a dm probably to be followed by offers to take items on consignment. He just doesn’t get it.

I put pictures up just for you. These cards are pretty straight forward.

Republicaninmass 02-25-2019 06:20 PM

And NO response to PMs

As the song says


Dont go away mad, just go away

xplainer 02-25-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1858179)
I thought the credits ran on this s-show a week ago. That kid doesn’t know when to quit. Another post with rare multi thousand dollar cards which he may or may not own with no pics asking for a dm probably to be followed by offers to take items on consignment. He just doesn’t get it.

There is something very wrong here.

CMIZ5290 02-25-2019 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1858193)
And NO response to PMs

As the song says


Dont go away mad, just go away

Let it go already......

Peter_Spaeth 02-25-2019 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll (Post 1858183)
I put pictures up just for you. These cards are pretty straight forward.

Nobody sells cards without pictures, no matter how straightforward.

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-25-2019 07:02 PM

Yeah check the post I posted pictures.

Peter_Spaeth 02-25-2019 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll (Post 1858221)
Yeah check the post I posted pictures.

The tone of your post, "just for you," suggests that you don't understand this. So free advice.

CMIZ5290 02-25-2019 07:10 PM

Leon, 10,000 posts and still no resolve....Can't we end this thread? My God, enough's enough.....This is a BST

RedsFan1941 02-25-2019 07:33 PM

says the voice of bst reason

GottaHaveRockandRoll 02-25-2019 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cmiz5290 (Post 1858227)
leon, 10,000 posts and still no resolve....can't we end this thread? My god, enough's enough.....this is a bst

amen

CMIZ5290 02-26-2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1858232)
says the voice of bst reason

What an idiot....

xplainer 02-26-2019 04:45 PM

and not for sale......so?


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