I agree with the PSA baggie but the BVG sealed sleeve is clean, stable and protects the card better than any current or former slab.

I have stated before I would love to see a BVG style sleeve in between two thinner SGC gaskets. The card would not slide under the gasket or have edge damaged. I have not noticed a problem on the post war cards which are thicker but some of my tobacco cards slid and damaged the edge, especially the older slabs because of handling and shipping.

Agree
 

I think that is right.

Al

By the way, it should be noted if it hasn't been already, SGC's new website address is...

https://www.gosgc.com/

Well that was fast. So the 600 or so SGC slabs I have includings ones graded a couple weeks ago are now legacy registry cards. I was wondering what would become of cards graded 10-100 when the new registry came about. I was wishful they would be able to be added under the 1-10 corresponding grade given on the slab. I like the new slabs. Thats alot of crossovers though to continue on with the new registry.

I am not really a registry collector, and I can even live with the differences in the flips. I just wonder if the new slabs themselves will be the same size as the older?

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Sorry, Jason. I didn't intend to quote you.

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Quote away! Im not on the registry for say the reasons people are on PSA's registry. Not alot of competing going on at least on the sets I collect. SGC was more of a way for me to see my progress and store the cards in the album for quick digital reference. Everything changes.

I understand and agree. I can see how the changes would disrupt that.

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I think they did a great job on the new labels. The quality looks much better and they are more professional looking. The labels were in desperate need of an upgrade so IMO this is a step in the right direction for SGC. Now I can't wait to see the new holders. Exciting times for SGC fans!

I saw the new SGC Labels, the only thing I don't like is the Large Number grade--I just think it is too big and a bit enormous. Otherwise not bad.

I agree with Don. The number is too big.

I am well aware of what they are trying to do.

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....

I don't have an "agenda" with PSA -- I have thousands of cards in PSA holders. Some of us are not as desperate for money when it comes to this hobby so resale is not the only issue when picking a grading company. And other than in popular Registry sets, resale value is no different between the two companies. In addition, as someone who spends big money on cards, I feel more comfortable buying an SGC card than a PSA card on average as I know there is a better chance of the card being graded correctly. Finally, the cards look better in SGC holders and SGC's customer service is leaps and bounds ahead of PSA's.

I guess if responding negatively to shitty customer service, lousy grading and ugly holders qualifies as an "agenda" than I have an agenda.

He is just had a strong preference for SGC.

Fair enough...Interesting though as all of the high graded T206s I bought from you several years ago, all were graded PSA...

I was buying all over the place back then in high grade PSA and SGC -- just look at my Chase and Cobb collections. Simple fact is, more high graded T206s are sold in PSA holders so necessarily I'd be buying more of them. Yes, SGC's went for cheaper and when that opportunity arose to buy them, I bought them. I've never submitted a raw T206 to either company. The cards I buy raw and submit, additionally, are usually in sets that are not impacted by the Registry. It's just easier for me to send them to SGC and get them back in the time it takes for PSA to even acknowledge receipt of the package.

Fair and decent response, I'll step down...

my goodness the civility is deafening!!!!

Did SGC have any modern cards in the new slabs at their display? That is where they need to pick up their business if they are going to stay around. They already had a good grasp of the vintage market, but it was finite. The modern cards is what is continually growing and where they need to gain market share.

Beckett is reaching a year on turnaround times. This would be the time for SGC to make their move into modern as modern collectors are frustrated with waiting a year for their cards to come back graded from Beckett and PSA doesn't offer the coveted "pristine" grade.

Very good point. The modern "shiny" hobby dwarfs vintage cards in size and scope. PSA and BGS have that market cornered.

None that I saw and I was shocked that they were not doing any grading/slabbing/re-holdering there at the show. It was just a small booth with a desk, a couple of computers, and that's it.

If you're going to roll out a new label, etc. then you better be at that show with everything and pumping it up. An absolute total blunder/fumble on their part and just once again shows why they are a distant 3rd in the grading industry.

According to this post they were taking submissions, but it was in a different area, so maybe you just saw the display by the PSA booth?

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1801138) ++1...also...they had a large display close to PSA with high end items graded in the new holder and videos playing but their submission area was somewhere else and was tiny and had no "waiting" area...not that their lines compared to PSA...but still? I was not impressed with their software either as I couldn't find some of my cards using their search feature. For now SGC is still my choice...but they really need to get more professional.

They had a small booth where you could submit cards for grading, but they were not grading ANY cards at the show itself like PSA or BGS were. It was basically a submission center and they were going to take whatever you submitted there at the show back to FL to grade and then ship back to you.

That is a HUGE failure on their part and they looked absolutely pathetic in comparison.

They were grading on-site (or attempting to) but their grading area was set up in the basement of the I-X center.

I'm assuming this is sarcasm/joke by indicating it was "in the shitter?" :p:o

They were grading/slabbing on-site. I submitted these on Wednesday and got them back on Thursday afternoon. Personally, I like the new label. If I was being picky, I would say the grade number is slightly too big and the cert number is slightly too small.

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Those are sweet

The black flip combined with the black insert is fantastic. I agree the number grade is too big.

Even though vintage is a fraction of newer cards, SGC has definitely carved out their space in that market. BGS/BVG hasn't caught on with pre-1980 cards. It's really PSA's lunch to steal.

I can live with this look. It is different, but I will plug them into the sets I am working on and keep going.

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I like the new flip. No nonsense, with large numbers. Good job.

New Holders
 

Has anyone heard a time frame has to when SGC will be introducing their new holders? I wonder if we will see them sometime this year?

Most likely, look 2 posts above yours

I don't see anything regarding the new holders. All I see is the pics with the new flips.

I didnt see anything in their release about a new holder, sorry if I missed it.

Thanks. Cheers!

It’s going to be bit. Probably another 6-12 months on that before they are ready. I’m going next week to re-slab all my SGC cards. Robert, seeing that Speaker and Young with those flips is making me want to drive to SGC right now. They look amazing!

Yeah I was thinking it might take a while too because it's a big change. There is a lot more involved to changing the holders compared to just changing the labels. I'm going to wait until the holders are updated before I even think about getting any of my cards re-slabed and yes I agree those new flips do look great. It was a much needed update. Much more professional looking IMO.

I'm not following, there are going to change the holders?

Why would they announce this, as it would most likely be a reason NOT to submit cards until the change is made?

Seal Improvement
 

I was told that the holders would be changed but would still fit together/stack on with the old ones. I think its just a design change to improve how they "sandwich" when sealed.

That would be great if they can do this!

^^^^This^^^^ If the new holders fit together and are relatively close in size, I can make that work with my collection.

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Since it's a long thread, new holders in the future was mentioned in post #102...

I haven't read all of the responses, but isn't the SGC 9.5 confusing? It's not Gem Mint like BVG, but still not a PSA 9 or PSA 10. How do you gauge price on it? I like how the new cases look though.

Doesn’t it say Gem (eg Gem Mint)? I think it is equivalent to Beckett 9.5

No, they invented a new Mint+ grade.
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Ok, SO...

I submitted 4 cards and they were received last Wednesday. Usually by now I would have received the email which tells you it's been put into their system, invoice #, etc. However I have not received an email. So I called SGC yesterday and spoke to a nice gentleman who explained that they are currently transitioning to their new website/database so I may not receive an email. Has anyone else submitted recently and did you receive an email? I THINK I was led to believe my cards may be graded and shipped to my doorstep without any sort of update along the way. Perhaps when they are shipped to me I'll get an email? I'm not really sure and it is slightly worrisome.

Anyone else in this situation?

Ok, SO...

I submitted 4 cards and they were received last Wednesday. Usually by now I would have received the email which tells you it's been put into their system, invoice #, etc. However I have not received an email. So I called SGC yesterday and spoke to a nice gentleman who explained that they are currently transitioning to their new website/database so I may not receive an email. Has anyone else submitted recently and did you receive an email? I THINK I was led to believe my cards may be graded and shipped to my doorstep without any sort of update along the way. Perhaps when they are shipped to me I'll get an email? I'm not really sure and it is slightly worrisome.

Anyone else in this situation?

But this one goes to 11.

Nice card!

Busy times for SGC. Looks like they are nearing completion of transitioning everything to their new site. Message posted on their old website.

Please Note: We are moving to our new website at www.gosgc.com. You can use your current SGC username and password to log into your account there. Please do not be alarmed if you don't immediately see your pending submissions on the new website. We are currently transitioning all data to the new platform, and your submission details should be updated shortly. Additionally, we are running at a slight delay in turnaround time due to higher than average submission volume. Please feel free to email Collector Support at support@gosgc.com with any additional questions. Thank you!

not rocket science....can always buy the card not the holder

You would think its a high end 9....... .5's for PSA usually sell for about 30% more generally than the base grades.....

I like the new flips much better; not even close.

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Agreed! But those cards...yuk!!!!!!:p

don't like the 2 hexagons for grades like VG/EX, other than that they don't bother me one way or the other.

Agreed on flips, black on black just naturally looks so much nicer than green on black.

yeah l like black on black too.......i guess SGC are now the NFL Raiders of holders..

Does anyone think that SGC will become a publicity traded company like Collectors Universe?

nope!

Grading..
 

Since there is such a vast range on cards graded 1’s..I would like to have seen someone (preferably SGC) introduce a (.5) Grade.

Agree completely that their performance at the National was a joke, and I emailed them a message to that effect. They had 3 chairs set up and the customer was expected to imput his submissions into a computer in front of each chair himself, thereby doing SGC's work for them. This still might have worked had I not encountered the 3 seats each occupied by collectors/dealers each having top holders with 100-200 cards to be submitted. Like I was going to just stand there for an hour and a half to two hours instead of seeking out what I was looking to add to my collection at the show! Pathetic is too nice a word for that crap! Having run a successful law practice for more than 20 years, I can't think of a better way to lose business than placing the small interests of the business operator above the more significant interests of the client/customer. Whenever I have a choice from now on, it's PSA for me, and continuing searches on ebay will specify PSA.

Best to all and to each his own,

Larry

Prior to joining here I was told this was a pro SGC board. This post and other recent ones certainly have had a different ring than that. I collect cards in both holders. Think SGC probably does a better job overall or at least seems more consistent. I like the changes they are trying to implement and count me in as one of the few who likes the look of the new label. Hoping their growing pains do not adversely impact their business. Not sure it is good for any collector that PSA increase their market share.

i wouldnt say its a pro or against PSA SGC board. I think the board goes along the lines of the general population of the genre of cards that have greatest market share with SGC...so does the board member in that same genre...such as certain pre war cards...i dont think the preferences are any different on the board anywhere else. Its all about what is being collected.

I agree with you that a monopoly is not good for the hobby

Well this forum does seem to have a nice blend which cannot be said for the PSA forums which is very pro PSA, for the obvious reasons.

Not sure PSA feels they have competition but the hobby would be worse off without grading options.