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Gobucsmagic74 05-22-2014 06:14 PM
Poll
 
Would someone please add a simple poll with examples of flip a) proposed new design and flip b) new design with green border? I'm on my phone and am not sure if I can post the examples shown above for exemplars.

DeanH3 05-22-2014 06:32 PM
Had some fun playing around with flip designs. I'm far from an expert but I gave it a shot.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps66a322f4.jpg

Kenny Cole 05-22-2014 06:33 PM
I vote top right

Blackie 05-22-2014 06:33 PM
Dean I like selection 1 alot

Kenny Cole 05-22-2014 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1278939)
I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.
To me, there is no issue about buy the card, not the slab, because I already have the card. The issue is, should I decide to send it in for grading, what the card I ALREADY HAVE is going to look like in the new slab and flip. If I think its going to look like shit, then I don't suppose I'm going to be as willing to send it in to be graded as I used to be. Its just that simple. It isn't a lemming thing, its a "I think my card is going to look like shit in that holder with that flip" thing. Pretty simple Frank.

The Nasty Nati 05-22-2014 06:52 PM
Dean I like top right. Although I would add their millions of SGC watermarks to it.

Personally I don't see the point of a watermark they have proposed. I mean really a watermark? It's 2014 it's not hard to forge a watermark, whereas at least PSA has a hologram going on in the back of their flip that is harder to forge than a bunch of watermarks.

Not trying to hate on SGC, they really are a great company. I'm just baffled by this move.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanH3 (Post 1279352)
Had some fun playing around with flip designs. I'm far from an expert but I gave it a shot.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps66a322f4.jpg

yanks4 05-22-2014 07:23 PM
Sgc flip
 
Just to go on record...I could live with the new flip but the forest green border is a must or I will be very disappointed......:(

MVSNYC 05-22-2014 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1279081)
Hey Mike
Did you see the new flip just posted above? It is anything but poorly done or 1990s, in my not so humble opinion. It looks very nice to me but would be even better with a green border. I am not OCD and don't care as much about the holders as I do the cards.....and realize it does matter more to many other collectors so am not pushing my thoughts on others. I am merely giving one opinion.
Hey Leon- it's fine for us to disagree...I'm a designer, and do have a pretty keen eye. the proposed (borderless) flip is not attractive. period. I cannot be convinced otherwise. SGC's customer service is top notch, and so is their grading...my comments are strictly about the new flip. adding a green border will help somewhat, but i stand by my comment that it looks very 1990's (see early CSA cards).

Pythonfactory 05-23-2014 01:45 AM
I'll throw in my two cents just in case SGC actually reads this.

The new, borderless flip looks like something I would print at home (i.e., cheap and unprofessional). I like how the original green border eases the stark contrast between the white label and black background. The bajillion SGC's on the new label aren't pretty either. I have a hard time believing that anyone with substantial graphic design experience could ever produce something so unappealing. In just a few minutes, members of this board have produced higher quality flips.

Also, I don't like the red for Authentic. Is green + Authentic not clear enough? I think the red is distracting and doesn't add any value.

I've asked a neutral third party who could careless about baseball cards and she ranks the flips accordingly (best to worst): old one, new one if it had a border, and new one without border.

I see the SGC holder's current appearance as a competitive advantage. I have no clue (even after reading the response from SGC) why they would mess with success. I'm sure there are some other aspects of their business that would be a much better investment of their time/money.

In summary: keep the old flip or go back to the drawing board with some new artists.

frankbmd 05-23-2014 05:19 AM
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
Then SGC changed their flip this way
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Suddenly, my cards seem half of what they used to be
No green borders on the flips I see
Oh, yesterday came suddenly

Why the flip had to go I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Why the flip had to change I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2014 06:39 AM
Lol.

bn2cardz 05-23-2014 06:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythonfactory (Post 1279478)
I'll throw in my two cents just in case SGC actually reads this.

The new, borderless flip looks like something I would print at home (i.e., cheap and unprofessional). I like how the original green border eases the stark contrast between the white label and black background. The bajillion SGC's on the new label aren't pretty either. .

Have you seen the original flip? You couldn't print that at home?

From what I understand the multiple SGC in the background isn't printed. It is a water mark (based on what Leon stated originally before posting the new flip). Since we couldn't see it in the scan it looks like they showed us what it essentially would look like when you can see it. I don't know what technology you have at home but the fact that you can print security water marks at home, but were unable to do a green border on a white box seems strange to me.

chernieto 05-23-2014 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1279520)
Have you seen the original flip? You couldn't print that at home?

From what I understand the multiple SGC in the background isn't printed. It is a water mark (based on what Leon stated originally before posting the new flip). Since we couldn't see it in the scan it looks like they showed us what it essentially would look like when you can see it. I don't know what technology you have at home but the fact that you can print security water marks at home, but were unable to do a green border on a white box seems strange to me.
What seems stranger to me was Sean's response that having the continuity of a green border, maintaining brand recognition and loyalty, would be "difficult and cluttered". I would think with all the talent and technology advance in the world in 2014 these issues could be resolved

Jewish-collector 05-23-2014 08:00 AM
Agree with the majority...
 
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I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 05-23-2014 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1279491)
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
Then SGC changed their flip this way
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Suddenly, my cards seem half of what they used to be
No green borders on the flips I see
Oh, yesterday came suddenly

Why the flip had to go I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Why the flip had to change I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm

Nicely done McCartney!

joeadcock 05-23-2014 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewish-collector (Post 1279553)
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Ha Ha

nolemmings 05-23-2014 09:23 AM
I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

dog*dirt 05-23-2014 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1279604)
I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.
I also like the red as it will stand out as opposed to the current holders.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 05-23-2014 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1279604)
I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

I agree but I would put a border around it also.

Paul S 05-23-2014 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards (Post 1279619)
I agree but I would put a border around it also.
If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

Texxxx 05-23-2014 10:08 AM
Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 05-23-2014 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul S (Post 1279624)
If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

Hahaha I know. I was thinking the border would be red.

Peter_Spaeth 05-23-2014 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texxxx (Post 1279629)
Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.
The initial pics did look that way, but the newer ones do not. I agree with you, it's no big deal and would have no effect at all on my decision to buy or submit a card.

CW 05-23-2014 01:43 PM
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