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Bored5000 09-07-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181804)
Hi Eddie.

I had ACL reconstruction in December of 2011, as I'd blown out my knee in college playing basketball. Well, over the years, the knee got progressively worse to the point where it started going out on me. And the last thing a guy on disability with a bad back needs is to fall. So, the orthopedic surgeon that fixed my knee in 1992 did an ACL reconstruct, using a cadaver ligament. About a week after the surgery, I fell asleep in the CPM machine used to stretch the ligament out. I woke up, jerked the leg badly, and got a stress fracture (as I was strapped into the machine). The screw you see in the lower part of the pic is a titanium screw for that rebuild.

As for this break, I was stepping over my black lab Brewster, who was sleeping on the landing of the stairs. I had socks on (which I never wear. I don't know why I did this time). Well, my foot slipped right off the edge of the landing, and I felt the entire knee go out. I came crashing down, and the left leg above the knee looked like it had an elbow. I knew I couldn't move, so we had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I thought I'd blown out the ligaments in my knee. When the emergency room attending physician showed me the xray of my leg, the femur was just destroyed. I almost threw up, I was so horrified. I was born with a congenital bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta, so I am susceptible to broken bones. But this one was bad, even for me. I had surgery to rebuild the leg the next day, and after I got out of post op, and upstairs to my room, I immediately started developing a fever. They couldn't find the cause, so they started me on some really powerful antibiotics. When they didn't work, the hospital's infectious disease doc said I was septic, and they began all sorts of tests, as well as chest x-rays, galium scans, ultrasound to look for blood clots, etc. I got shots in my abdomen to prevent clots. My vitals started getting better, so two weeks after surgery, they sent me to the rehab hospital. Within 24 hours, I was back at the first hospital by ambulance. My fever was 103, and my white blood cell count was over 19,000. So overall, a very long, unfun, and expensive stay.

I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now. :D

I also went with the cadaver ligament for my ACL reconstruction. I had done a ton of reading about torn ACLs when it happened to me, and I found a couple of really great online forums dedicated to recovering from ACL reconstructions.

My orthopaedist is also the ortho doctor for the AA baseball Reading (Pa.) Phillies and the ECHL's Reading Royals. He reccommended the cadaver ligament as opposed to a graft from my own hamstring because i was 38 years old at the time and didn't play any serious sports.

I never had a machine for stretching my ligament or even had the doctor/therapists suggest that to me. The online forums I found were very helpful for getting feedback as to what I was experiencing, although it was somewhat disconcerting to read multiple stories from people who tore their ACL (or multiple knee ligaments) playing high school or low level college sports, rehabbed like a fiend for 9-10 months, then tore the new ACL again on the first day of practice or something awful like that.

On my first doctor appointment following the ACL reconstruction, the doctor put my x-ray on the screen to show me his work. I wasn't really expecting that, or I would have averted my eyes. I didn't really want to see the screw in my leg. I know your most recent injury is worse than torn knee ligaments, but I went through several months of feeling like I was the unluckiest person in the world. :(

I wish you the best of luck with your latest injury. That really sounds like a terrible thing to experience. :(

the 'stache 09-07-2013 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181824)
He has harped on and on about Adrian and posted endless links to old threads written by him. He said Adrian committed criminal acts when he hadn't. He claims he wrote the thread on making a blacklist simply because it "warranted conversation", when in fact he was heavily pumping the idea and offered to manage the blacklist himself, presumably so that he could gain control over it and the power associated with who would or wouldn't be on it (hint-Adrian). He wrote that the board should let the matter go, but only after, in the very same post, accusing Adrian of stealing from people in the future, even though Adrian has no history of stealing from anyone in the past and in fact just shipped out a card he sold. He also posted links to the very same Adrian threads that got everyone so upset in the first place. Those links and accusations are obviously so inflammatory that it isn't going to encourage anyone to let the matter go. Yet he claims he doesn't have a vendetta.

He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements.

As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff.

Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character?

You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

the 'stache 09-07-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000 (Post 1181837)
I also went with the cadaver ligament for my ACL reconstruction. I had done a ton of reading about torn ACLs when it happened to me, and I found a couple of really great online forums dedicated to recovering from ACL reconstructions.

My orthopaedist is also the ortho doctor for the AA baseball Reading (Pa.) Phillies and the ECHL's Reading Royals. He reccommended the cadaver ligament as opposed to a graft from my own hamstring because i was 38 years old at the time and didn't play any serious sports.

I never had a machine for stretching my ligament or even had the doctor/therapists suggest that to me. The online forums I found were very helpful for getting feedback as to what I was experiencing, although it was somewhat disconcerting to read multiple stories from people who tore their ACL (or multiple knee ligaments) playing high school or low level college sports, rehabbed like a fiend for 9-10 months, then tore the new ACL again on the first day of practice or something awful like that.

On my first doctor appointment following the ACL reconstruction, the doctor put my x-ray on the screen to show me his work. I wasn't really expecting that, or I would have averted my eyes. I didn't really want to see the screw in my leg. I know your most recent injury is worse than torn knee ligaments, but I went through several months of feeling like I was the unluckiest person in the world. :(

I wish you the best of luck with your latest injury. That really sounds like a terrible thing to experience. :(

Thank you for the kind words, Eddie. I'm about to turn 42, and to be honest, I wish I had that machine again. I didn't get my full range of motion back after the ACL reconstruction (the stress fracture stopped my rehab cold. A month of bed rest caused me to lose all the gains I'd made), but I plan on getting there now. I can bend the knee to about 75 degrees currently, and I want to be able to touch my heel to my rear end. At least I slept without a brace for the first time in almost 11 weeks last night. Best night's sleep I've had since June 23rd!

I've been very lucky to have a wonderful family and a lot of great friends to help me through it. And this place has helped me pass the hours quite nicely. I've made a lot of new friends here that share my enthusiasm, and they've been very generous with their time, knowledge, and other things.

As for the x-ray, I'm used to seeing things that would freak most anybody else out. I've got a high pain threshold, and a tolerance for gore, for lack of a better word.

How is your knee doing now post rehab? Do you get soreness, or does it stiffen up at all when the weather changes?

drcy 09-07-2013 07:41 PM

I never had the feeling Stash was a troll, and still don't, though he definitely gets into certain topics :) i don't think one has to collect Pre-War cards to participate. Clearly, Stash is interested in baseball.

I already stated my feeling on the Adrian topic. At least at this time, I think it's a dead horse.

For the record, I don't consider Travis is a troll either. He just often takes the contrarian view, one that I often don't agree with. Being contrarian, opinionated or not taking my view doesn't make one a troll.

the 'stache 09-07-2013 08:18 PM

drcy,

I'm heavily into the vintage and pre-war cards, too, and if that's not apparent to some people now, it will be. It's completely natural for me because I collected as a kid, and learned about the history of the game at a young age as well. I am passionate about the game, and the hobby...all aspects of it.

The only reason I haven't bought them earlier is that I didn't know anything about them. The extent of my baseball card knowledge went back as far as 1952 Topps. I'd seen a few pictures of tobacco cards, and was intrigued, but I was really hesitant about buying them because I didn't want to spend my money on a card only to find out it was fake later. I have to have the knowledge before I will invest in anything, be it securities or a sports card. I think that it is wise because you protect yourself, and you also have the opportunity to learn what you like.

It's incredible to me these little things are over 100 years old. I think about the people that might have owned them before me. Kids that might have traded them. These are pieces of history, parts of Americana.

Bpm0014 09-07-2013 09:13 PM

The 'stache
 
the 'stache: For what it's worth, I never got the impression that you were a troll, and I've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

EvilKing00 09-07-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bpm0014 (Post 1181920)
the 'stache: For what it's worth, i never got the impression that you were a troll, and i've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

+714

Piratedogcardshows 09-07-2013 09:19 PM

Im not sure about the troll reference yet but with 30 plus posts in one day I would say Stache is at least a good candidate for the next member with a post limit.Im just saying.

Bpm0014 09-07-2013 09:21 PM

"+714". Nice reference...

the 'stache 09-07-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1181920)
the 'stache: For what it's worth, I never got the impression that you were a troll, and I've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

Thank you, Brendan. I appreciate it. It just blows my mind that anybody might think I'm on a power trip or something. I've always tried to be humble, helpful, and friendly.

thehoodedcoder 09-07-2013 09:25 PM

Holy... Freaking... Ka..Jesuses

cyseymour 09-07-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181867)
You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181867)
I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that. No one can know your true motivations except you. But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181867)
And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

Someone can own a lot or a little amount of cards and still be a troll. Bruce Dorskind was a troll and he had a phenomenal collection. But it's possible for someone who is a troll to buy a few cards in order to claim they are a collector. I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier, and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll. My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

EvilKing00 09-07-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 1181926)
Im not sure about the troll reference yet but with 30 plus posts in one day I would say you are at least a good candidate for the next member with a post limit.Im just saying.

Lol i 500 posts since 2009 and now all this?? Interesting

EvilKing00 09-07-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1181928)
"+714". Nice reference...

:D

cyseymour 09-07-2013 09:47 PM

This is only my fourth post today, so I imagine that Jason is referring to Bill with the 30 in a day reference. Incessant posting... another trolling characteristic. That, along with the inflammatory comments and off-topic threads make for a pretty strong case. Frankly, I think the EvilKing guy is also a troll.

Goodnight folks.

EvilKing00 09-07-2013 10:03 PM

Ahh still calling names and makin friends. Jesh at least andrew was entertaining, i have never posted anything good or bad in reference to anyone on this board, till your attack post before. Rarely have i seen anything like that and found it bullying, to call a guy a troll and tell him to go away. Well i said my peace , im just sick of the attacking, just makes no sense. To each his own.

Bored5000 09-07-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181874)

How is your knee doing now post rehab? Do you get soreness, or does it stiffen up at all when the weather changes?

I don't notice any stiffness due to weather changes, but when I sit for a long time, my knee still swells up and gets stiff. My doctor told me the entire year of my recovery that my knee would get swollen for a long time. At the one year anniversary of my surgery, I was officially released by the doctor and he said that my knee might always get swollen. :(

For the most part, though, it feels fairly decent. It took me a good year and a half before I could go up and down steps reasonably. I bought a stability ball to use at home during my recovery and used that a ton during the first 6-9 months of my recovery, but steps were still a major issue for me.

the 'stache 09-07-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.

And that's fine. I brought up somebody else's idea to see what other forum members felt, and it is clear they didn't think it was needed. I made my case why I thought it could be helpful, and others did the same thing. A bunch of adults made a bunch of good points, and in the end it was determined it wouldn't be needed. You were the one that took the whole thing a step further when you accused me of being on some power trip. It never entered my mind that somebody could even take what I was doing, and twist it so.

And what false allegations? I misspoke when I said what he did was criminal, and I said as much. You pointed out correctly that his actions were not criminal in the truest sense of the word, that if anything he would be liable in civil court. I agreed with you, and clarified what I meant by saying he was "criminal". What he's done is reprehensible, and I'm hardly the only person that feels that way. And still, you keep bring up these "false accusations". There's nothing false about them. In essence, he did steal from people. It's well documented, and indisputable. He promised to give these sellers money in exchange for goods (the baseball cards he bought), then he went back on his word. That's not the same as going into somebody's house and just taking what you want, which would be larceny, but it's still a pretty crappy thing to do, and something that he should be held accountable for.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that.

Actually, it has cut down on the number of thefts that have gone on at the sports card forums like SCF and Blowout Cards. The lists are specific to the forums, not Ebay, or Comc, or auction house sales. What I'd proposed, based on Pete's idea, was to create a list that would be all encompassing. The proposal was made, and deemed unnecessary. Again, I'm completely fine with it.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
No one can know your true motivations except you.

You're absolutely right. But it didn't stop you from accusing me of being on some childish power play, did it? Or what was it, being a "vigilante".

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.

Now who's making false allegations? Where did I ever say I would be in control of the list, or that Adrian would be on it? I said quite clearly that I would not be the one making those decisions. Leon, another site admin, or a moderator would make that determination. I would simply maintain the list on my website, nothing more. As they would give me a name to add, I would update it. And forum members could choose to utilize the list, or not. Nobody was being forced to make use of it.

Would Adrian be on the list? Quite possibly. Again, not my decision. Has he been kicked off this forum? Were his BST privileges taken away before being booted? Yes. Have multiple people come forward and stated that Adrian reneged on deals he made? Yes. So, would be be on that list, if it existed? What do you think?


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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier

And you don't? So far, you're only the second person I've had words with since I came here. And you also got into it with Eric yesterday, who I've never seen get confrontational with anybody else. Now, I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong. But is it mere coincidence that you've gotten into heated exchanges with two people in the last two days here? Maybe you're just a little part of the problem, too?

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll.

Ok, here's the topic list again, copied and pasted. Let's see where all these off topic threads I'm starting are:

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago) A thread about baseball. Maybe off topic, but not really, as I tied in finding a store with old baseball cards. But I'll give you the benefit here.
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.) Not off topic, as the discussion was created about what could be done to improve the safety of the hobby
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.Not off topic, was done on the post 1980s baseball cards thread
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).Not off topic, talking about T206 reprint set
5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout auNot off topic, posted on the modern baseball card forum
6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auctionClearly not off topic
7. What is your most cherished piece, and why?Not off topic at all.
8. The all-time best of Net 54Slightly off topic as it could include a thread from any part of the forum.
9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out..Clearly not off topic, posted on the watercooler talk board.
10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks)Clearly not off topic, as I was looking for help protecting and storing a pre war card
11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war cardClearly not off topic
12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please?
13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby?Clearly not off topic
14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?Clearly not off topic
15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit? Not off topic, on the pre 1980 board
16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster".Clearly not off topic, talking about the T206 set
17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled.Clearly not off topic, asking about slabbed pre war cards.
18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts?Could be considered off topic
19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster? Not off topic, talking about T206 set.
20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350?Not off topic, on the postwar board
21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR?Off topic, but still talking about baseball
22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013? On the postwar board, so not off topic
23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for?post war board
24. Do these flips look right to you?post war board
25. Recommendations for a magnifying glasspost war board

So, where are all these off topic threads I'm making, hmm? Please enlighten me. Two, maybe three off topics in the last six months, and those were related to baseball, and indirectly related to the pre-war hobby. Sounds like once again you have no clue what you're talking about, just like last night when you thought Adrian was buying cards, paying for them, and returning them for a refund. No.


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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

Your view is wrong. Asked and already answered. I said quite clearly, and anybody who is able to comprehend English written out on a computer screen should be able to grasp what I am saying...the only reason that information was posted was the reason why I am not buying more cards right now. Understood? I don't need sympathy from a bunch of people online, nor am I seeking it.

the 'stache 09-07-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181942)
This is only my fourth post today, so I imagine that Jason is referring to Bill with the 30 in a day reference. Incessant posting... another trolling characteristic. That, along with the inflammatory comments and off-topic threads make for a pretty strong case. Frankly, I think the EvilKing guy is also a troll.

Goodnight folks.

Seriously, just shut up with the trolling comment. I've been laid up since 9:30 this morning. Yes, I have posted a lot today, mostly because I had to respond to your stupid assertions. I've made 200 posts the last month, a little over 6.5 posts a day.

Again, where are the inflammatory comments? Nothing I've said is untrue.

Where are all these off-topic threads I've created? Look at my last post. I've made maybe three off topic threads in the last six months, and they've all dealt with baseball. Are we forbidden from talking about baseball, even if it deals with baseball cards, too?

Bocabirdman 09-08-2013 05:43 AM

Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

cyseymour 09-08-2013 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1181959)

And what false allegations? In essence, he did steal from people. It's well documented, and indisputable.

Defintion "Steal": To take the property of another without right or permission.

No, Adrian never stole from anybody. In essence, or otherwise. It is a false allegation.

People can make their own judgments about the rest. I've written what I've had to say and that's it. Goodbye.

frankbmd 09-08-2013 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1181995)
Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

Hear, Hear

or better yet

Hear! Hear!

Sean1125 09-08-2013 07:09 AM

ACL sucks I had mine done 1 year ago 1 week from today, exactly. Still go to therapy to strengthen 3-5 days a week. Used patellar tendon.... I was lucky I regained full range of motion within 2 months and was already in strengthening at about 3-4 months--- I was able to run at 5-6.... I suppose I will never be 100% as I still can only leg press about 1/8th what I used to be able to do but at least I can walk with little to no pain.

thehoodedcoder 09-08-2013 07:32 AM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sam majors 09-08-2013 08:29 AM

Lives ruined?
 
I saw a slightly obese octogenarian and a large dwarf sitting in a booth at "SQUINKS BAR AND GRILL". The one on the corner of Fifth and Fourth, not the other one that's been in the news lately. They were arguing about this thread. They were immediately arrested. Sam Majors :confused: :confused: :confused:

the 'stache 09-08-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1181995)
Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

You are absolutely right, Mike, and I apologize to the other members that have read this. I am out of this discussion once and for all.

Rob D. 09-08-2013 08:02 PM

Just couldn't let it continue to drop to the bottom, could you?

Luke 09-08-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour (Post 1181935)
I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.



Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that. No one can know your true motivations except you. But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.



Someone can own a lot or a little amount of cards and still be a troll. Bruce Dorskind was a troll and he had a phenomenal collection. But it's possible for someone who is a troll to buy a few cards in order to claim they are a collector. I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier, and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll. My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

Fwiw, I've had the same thoughts about thestache ever since the Adrian saga ended. He went back and quoted the posts that Adrian directed against him, but failed to mention that he had essentially "started it" by jumping into a thread that didn't concern him to tell Adrian that Adrian's problems were nothing compared to his own. If troll isn't the correct term, attention whore sure is.


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