TAYLOR looks good to me, nice find.

http://i.imgur.com/znIVi.jpg

I agree with you Frank.

I believe its Taylor also.

Nice card & thanks for posting it!


Jantz

Nice Frank. Taylor is from the same print group and Chris's image looks like a match.

Is this the first AB?

By my records, its the first AB Er!ck.


Jantz

I was thinking that as well, very nice to see a new brand....someone was slacking at the cutting station.

This has always been one of my favorite Southern Leaguers. I heard that it unusual, or at least a little bit more rare to find a miscut Southern Leaguer. This is severe in my opinion.

Very nice Waz...you do not see those very often.

Thanks Chris! I saw it and could not resist it. I later found out that the miscut only adds to it!

This is not my card so it's the only scan I have, I don't know if it's
clear enough for some of you guy's who are really good at these. I am not sure but it looks like it could be another player other than crandall.

Hard to tell for sure, but from what I can see, I think it is Crandall top and bottom.

Thanks Frank, I know it's hard to tell with that scan but you are
usually spot on with these.

I'm with Frank... looks to be the same name.

McGinley/Speaker
 

Currently on Sterling Auctions Lot 31
http://www.sterlingsportsauctions.co...5656a_med.jpeg

Nice card, and you are the consigner right?

;)

Just picked up a new one at the Philly show: Griffith(portrait)-Chase

Scans available tonight. (Full disclosure... Looking to sell this bad boy)

And it's a beauty!

I second that, Chris. A great find, Erick!

Ag

Scans
 

Here are the scans... I think it's more valuable as the first graded :p

Nice!

My Hinchman double name arrived yesterday. It's a P150 #25.

Craig

Nice Craig, That's a strong one. Erick?

Jimmy Jackson - Danny Hoffman - Piedmont 350
 

Just picked this one up today, Jimmy Jackson and you can barely make out Hoffman, St. Louis, Amer. at the top. don't think I've seen this one identified on the thread yet...

Very nice Steve... another piece of the puzzle.

Good eye Steve!

Thanks for posting the Jackson card.


Jantz

a few more
 

Not sure if I posted these before, a few tougher backs for double names as well.

All are same name top and bottom(a couple just barely visible but made out under a loupe).

Wanted to add this Willetts card to discussion here. Top and bottom name are same

But you haver that funny other print on it too(under his left arm, eating up his head, etc). Any ideas? Dont know much about the "wet transfer sheet" or "moisture transfer" or ?.

Here are my two
 

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...urrayfront.jpg]http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/a...Smithfront.jpg

Double -same-name Schulte
 

Although it's not a different names card, I thought this double (same) names Schulte card is worth posting here.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ameSchulte.jpg



TED Z
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....McGRAW (port-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....Wiltse (portrait-cap)

For anyone keeping track, here is another two different name T206.

McIntyre with Hoffman St. Louis Amer. on the top. Piedmont 350 f#25

This is the second T206 with Hoffman appearing on another player's card.

I may have another to post in a day or two.


Jantz

Nice Jantz. I'll get working on the sheet again.

One more

Bulter with Raymond N.Y. Nat'l

Piedmont 350 f#25 back


Jantz

Very nice, Jantz. Good eye!

I'm not sure about this one
 

Recently upgraded this card and noticed the top border. I'm not sure that the top name is Chase. Thought that it was worth posting for opinions.
Interestingly the card also shows a double factory mis-strike on the reverse.
Could it be a freak-freak?

Edited to add top-bottom approximation. I guess it is Chase on top. Oh well.

Time for a bump
 

Wanted to bring this thread back to the top to go along with the large factory # thread. I don't see any southern leaguers among the examples with two different names, which may support Scot's theory that there were 17 rows of the same player vertically (at least for the 34 subjects that can be found with Hindu backs).

One T206, Two Names
 

It's likely the vertical columns could be comprised of two, three or all one card stacked. This could explain why certain players are found more readily then others with the same back. The exclusive 12 (Ford, McGraw, Crandall etc).

We know 34 is a number that is very consistent throughout the set, especially in the 460 series (it's not as obvious due to sub groups but very much there in all 460 backs).

The yellow brown scraps, only 34 different cards are known, 2-4 examples of each which fits the stacked column theory.

All 34 of these cards are grouped on their own throughout the 460 backs (they are the same grouping* as the BL460 subset) and likely comprise of one sheet layout....only one sheet was saved at this early printing stage.

This sheet would have been used for many different backs in combination with other 34 card sheets. Some a group of 28 plus the super prints, a few cards were switched out later on...making it difficult to see a pattern but its there.

*at some point Ames was swapped with Dougherty in the y/b sheet example.

This is on e-bay right now, for anyone interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Moran-E...item3cdb705344

I would snatch it up, but alas, I can't afford it!

He also has these:
 

Griffith portrait with Chase above:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Clark-G...item3a899c043f

Graham with Clark above:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Bill-Gr...item3a899c0ea4

McGinley with Speaker above:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-McGinle...item3cdb703e60

Walsh with M. Brown on top
 

Just wanted to add this one to the list. I picked this one up on eBay last week. It is Walsh with M. Brown on top. As the eBay listing noted, it is likely the M. Brown portrait due to the incomplete "N" that often shows up on that card.

Nice pickup, Marc. If it wasn't for me, you would have picked it up for a song. Really surprised we were the only two bidders...

Thanks, Erick...I totally agree. Good listing, good seller, albeit kind of an odd ending time on a Saturday afternoon. Being a dual HOF'er and, to my knowledge, a previously unknown combo, I thought that this one would go for quite a bit more.

Awesome card, Marc!

Marc

Nice card!

Thank you for posting this information.

That's 2 new examples of two different name T206s found in the last few weeks.

Just goes to show that there are still some treasures out there to be found.

I'm surprised that a thread hasn't been started yet about the T206 scrap that sold on Ebay in a BIN for $16.50 recently.

It was a beauty too.


Jantz

Jantz, Did you figure out who was on the front :D

No way! Nice. Do you have a link for the item, Jantz?

Good one Chris

I'll admit, I don't have the eye like Er!ck does when it comes to figuring out these ghosts.

So I'll stick to my strengths, finding the two namers. Although that eye hasn't been working lately either. :(

Since I've had a few board members ask about the scrap, I'll start a new thread with some scans.


Jantz

This?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-22...p2047675.l2557

Yes, that's it Andy.

I started a new thread about it for others to see.


Jantz

By Chance, That's Fiene
 

Well, make that three... Chance (Yellow) - Fiene

Piedmont 350 back, so I don't know which Fiene pose that would be; interesting that like the previous "find" this one also has two players from the cross-town Chicago teams

Erick helped me look at this one (thanks Erick!). We're pretty sure it's Schlei up top. Definitely N.Y. NAT'L

Nice cards Er!ck & Luke!

Luke - Can I get a back scan of this card or could you post the back information down to the factory number.

Thanks


Jantz

Wagner back:

Thank you Luke.

That solves that mystery. A Sweet Caporal 350 f#30 back makes it Schlei (catching) as the top card's pose.

This Wagner makes 50 T206s (by my records) now with different names on the top.


Jantz

Jantz, could you post this list when you get a chance? It would be nice to see it all together again. Thanks!

+1 I really need to update the grid.:o

Hi Jantz
 

Here are an assortment of ONE T206--TWO NAMES cards in my collection. Most are same names cards. But, there are a couple of them that may have different names.

Anyhow, I thought you would be interested in this info since most of them appear to be new examples for your records.



...... P150 .............................................. P350 .......................................... SC 460 .......................................... P350
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psbb304fba.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01951811.jpg
...... P350 .................................................. .............. P350 .................................................. .............. P350




PIEDMONT 150
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ameSchulte.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...icoWilt50x.jpg




SOVEREIGN 150 (1st two cards) and SOVEREIGN 350
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...mDonFie50x.jpg




AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and SWEET CAPORAL 460 cards

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ChiBost50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eTrophy50x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ostTOPname.jpg





Furthermore, these 12 cards are sufficiently offset so that a name should have appeared on their top border. Yet, there isn't even a hint of this.
Therefore, I think it's fair to conclude that these cards were printed on the top row of their respective sheets (backs are a mixture of PIEDMONT,
SOVEREIGN, and SWEET CAP).

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DHKMPRRx25.jpg



TED Z
.

Thanks Ted... nice cards. I don't see any two-namers, however. They all appear to be double-namers (same name). Which ones are two-namers?

I was able to trade with Luke for this card... cracked it out and confirmed Wagner-Schlei:

Hey Jantz
 

I find it very interesting, that all of the DIFFERENT-2-NAMES cards that have been reported here are limited to ONLY from
the 150/350 series, or the 350-only series.

Furthermore, the TWO-NAME T206's that have been reported here from the 350/460 series and the 460-only series are
all SAME-NAME cards. Here's an additional 350/460 series SAME-NAME card to add to this list.


OLD MILL
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...TopName50x.jpg




My question is: why haven't we seen any DIFFERENT-2-NAMES cards from the 350/460 series, or the 460-only series ?


TED Z
.

Great question, Ted. It's not from a lack of looking, because I certainly hunt. Perhaps the sheets in the 460 runs had the same player/pose in each column thereby making it impossible for a two-namer. Or perhaps we just haven't found one yet. If I were to lean in one direction, at this point I might just go with the "not possible" (same card vertically). I will keep looking, however!

Erick
 

A total of only 21 cards from the 350/460 series and the 460-only series in this entire thread is an insufficient sample. So, we will keep searching.

However, I consider your "columns" point also possible, as it is consistent with my hypothetical sheet of the Exclusive 12 cards illustrated here.....


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...96cards50x.jpg



TED Z
.

Hi Ted,

Good question.

Might be because of the limited player selection in the 350/460 series and 460-only series that no two different name T206s have been found. Same player-same column.

As you and others have mentioned, possibly smaller sheets and only a few players per sheet.

Selection of players limited in late 1910 to 1911 because they were wrapping up the print run for the new card set that they were replacing the T206s with.

All speculation of course, but it sure makes for a good mystery to solve. ;)

As Er!ck has posted, I'm also looking for that first 350/460 or 460 two different name T206 to appear, but nothing yet.

Nice selection of two same namers with different backs. :)

Here is another mis-cut with a back not seen often. (not my card)


Jantz

Here is the list. Slight typo on earlier post - 52 total

American Beauty 350 framed

Hinchman, H. - Taylor

Cycle 350

Beck - Unglaub

Piedmont 150

Bender (port.) - Delehanty (Wash.)
Brown, M (port.) - Magee (port.)
Bradley (port.) - Bender (port.)
Killian (pitching) - Chance (red port.)
Lindaman - Bresnahan (port.)
Lundgren (Cubs) - Doolin
Lundgren (Cubs) - Ball (New York)
Powell (horizontal) - O'Leary (port.)
Spade - Cicotte
Hinchman, B. - Stovall (port.)
Manning (batting) - Flick

Piedmont 350

Abbaticchio (brown) - Cicotte
Atz - Hoffman (Providence)
Chase (blue port.) - Zimmerman
Hoblitzell - Stephens
Jennings (port.) - Jordan (port.)
Livingstone - Maloney
McElveen - Dygert
Elberfeld (NY port.) - Parent
Engle - Phillippe
McGraw (no cap port.) - Chesbro
Moran, H. - Arrellanes
Oakes - Easterly
Snodgrass (batting) - Maddox
Rossman - McBride
Turner - Lobert
Egan - Warhop
Herzog (NY) - Ritchey
McGinley - Speaker
Griffith (port.) - Chase (?)
Jackson - Hoffman (St. Louis)
Butler - Raymond
McIntyre (Detroit) - Hoffman (St. Louis)
Walsh - Brown, M (port.)
Chance (yellow port.) - Feine (?)
Delehanty (Wash.) - Waddell (port.)

Sweet Caporal 350-30

Barbeau - Strang
Graham (St. Louis) - Clark (Columbus)
Killian (port.) - Dubuc
McGlynn - Jones (Detroit)
Rossman - Thomas
Wagner, Heinie (left shoulder) - Schlei (catching)

Sweet Caporal 350-25

Lennox - Clancy

Sweet Caporal - factory number unknown

McGraw (front ?) - Hayden
Pickering - Myers (front )
Bowerman - Chance (front ?)

The rest - back information unknown or damaged

Walsh - Lumley Piedmont (back damage - no series number)
Bresnahan (port.) - Doolin
Criger - Ritchey
Keeler (front ?) - McGraw (front ?)


I think I got all this information posted correctly. If anyone spots a discrepancy or can add anything else, please post it up.

Jantz

Another Bender-Delehanty (Washington)
 

This is a really weak example, but it is a two-namer. It is the second instance of Bender-Delehanty. Note that there are several printing attributes that demonstrate on both instances:

wow nice sleuthing! I would have never picked up on that Bender.

You're literally connecting the dots aren't you? ;)

Nice work Er!ck!

the hound dawg........
 

strikes again!;)

.

Hey Luke

That "." just isn't enough.

How about giving us the scoop on that beauty!

Either way, thank you for posting it.


Jantz

Hey Jantz, it's not my card unfortunately. I just saw it in the completed sales on ebay. Dean's cards thought they were over-pricing it, but it was actually a nice buy for someone.

I agree Luke.

Sorry you weren't able to get it.

Again, thank you for posting it due to the fact that this Walsh has a different name on the top and a different back than what we've seen in the past.

Interesting card!


Jantz

Exactly. Goes further to demonstrate that across brands and series the sheet layouts were not maintained (also see Rossman).

Same Name Gandil W/ Polar Bear
 

I posted this just in case anyone is interested in PB'S.

Got my first 2 name T206 card in the mail today.

Need some help
 

I was going through some of the cards that I have never had graded and came across this Polar Bear Addie Joss Pitching. I first noted that there was not a name at the bottom and assumed it was trimmed. I measured it, and the length was a solid 2-5/8" or 67 mm (NL or near NL). Upon close inspection I noted this partial name at the top. Despite looking at my other T206s I cannot come up with a match, although I have mainly a HOFer collection. I kept trying to put Joss' own name up there, but just not sure. I tried looking at commons in several galleries, but I just cannot pick out enough specifics to identify the name.

Wanted to get the Hound or one of the other expert sleuths out there to render their opinion.

Thanks Dave

95% certain it is Joss, Cleveland:

I concur

That's "SCHLEI N. Y. NAT' L" on top

Nice card Luke!

Thank you for posting it.


Jantz

First off I would like to thank everyone who has participated in this thread.

From the start of this thread I've always asked for a card's back information and here is a reason why the back information is just as important as the card's front.

In post #210 Luke posted up a newly discovered two different name T206. Heinie Wagner (left shoulder) Sweet Caporal 350 f#30 with Schlei's name at the top. So as we deducted earlier in this thread, Schlei's name on the top would make it the catching pose.

Yesterday Luke posted the Johnson with Schlei's name on the top again, but with a different back. Since the Johnson has a Piedmont 150 back, the Schlei card on top would also be the catching pose again.

So a breakdown would be Schlei (catching pose) above two different player's cards, on two different backs, along with two different series.

Just some interesting points I wanted to point out to everyone else.

Thanks again


Jantz