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Well, master printer Arnie Schwed says it's real, so what more do you want?
Seriously, I've never seen that video before and boy what a sad story it makes. I have to hand it to those two fellas for riding it out this long, but it still don't make that reprint real. If so, me and my little brother would be on easy street living off those Dover Reprint books my Mom bought us back in the early 80's! |
Lol eBay already cut the auction
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The sellers stopped the auction shortly after starting it. Id imagine they did this as a "test" to see how it looked and that they had all their info on there how they wanted it. |
I bet they were testing to see if ebay would cut the auction early if they listed it.
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Geez, I'm really tired of this story and card. Can we please just chalk this up as a fake and put it to bed once and for all. No one with money to buy a Wagner is going to touch this card with a ten foot pole.
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It is humurous, and a bit ironic, that the suggested items on the ebay auction page are all reprint Wagners vice real T206s...
One would think that if you are trying to sell an item for 600K, you would at least check spelling and grammer of your listing. |
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I'd say it's was just an ad to point to their website, which they only put in there five times. Hopefully it will get reported enough that ebay will remove it totally. |
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Grammar in the eyes of the beholder
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Originally Posted by Mdoe View Post It is humurous, and a bit ironic, that the suggested items on the ebay auction page are all reprint Wagners vice real T206s... One would think that if you are trying to sell an item for 600K, you would at least check spelling and grammer of your listing. Correct spelling is "grammar."....sorry, couldn't resist. Barry, That comment was not humurous (????????) :D:D:D:D:D:D grammarically (????) speaking. I couldn't resist either. Frank |
I clearly have the poor grammar part down... Now I just need to create my own Wagner T206 and a website dedicated to proving its authenticity...:p
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LOL!! Looks like they ended the auction early! |
Just when you thought it was safe to be a suburbanite prewar card collector. They're here!
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012...er-set-auction There's a place for us.........Somewhere a place for us.......Peace and quiet........and open air..........Wait for us.........Somewhere......... Lovely Day... |
another step in the saga.
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The owners say "We want everyone to have the facts."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anybody seen any facts up to this point? |
the auctioneer
I called the auctioneer today and left a message. He called me back and seems like a really nice guy. We spoke for approximately 25 minutes. He knows the whole story. At the end of the day I think it is more about publicity. I told him at the end of all of this he will be out a lot of time, make no money and could possibly be a laughing stock. He took it in stride. He says he is only going by all of the experts who have authenticated it and is a venue only. I guess the company who authenticated it knows some hockey player....or vice versa and that gives them some credibility, according to him. After we spoke and spoke I just had to let him know that no matter what is said, or done.....it is still just a fake card. Plain and simple.
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1. It's a reprint 2. The sellers know it's a reprint |
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I will admit, I have been mildly entertained by this whole ordeal. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. I am also curious to see if eBay actually lets this auction run its full course. The real irony here is that if these two cousins had spent this much time and energy on a credible, legitimate business venture, they would've likely been on their way to making close to the same amount of money that they seek for this "Wagner". _______________________________ €hû¢k Wölƒƒ |
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2. She knows they're fake, we know they're fake. 3. Someone won't know or someone won't care. P. T. Barnum said it best...... The potentially sad thing about this, is that someone ignorant of the hobby might buy it, then a month later they'll stumble onto net54 and want to show off their new possession. :( |
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Hope this will not happen. |
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The auction appears to be live, with a starting bid of only $500K...
Link to eBay auction edit: auction pulled. Link will not work. They have also posted what appears to be a new YouTube video, as well as a preview of the new painting created to depict the owners' ordeal with this card. Yes, it keeps getting better! http://youtu.be/DrZNmp_eYMY <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DrZNmp_eYMY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Had to post this screen cap. Gold.
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Disclaimer in the latest Ebay listing
This screams volumes. My only issue with it is that it should be in size 24 font in bold print at the top of the description.
Disclaimer: Manage My Auction, LLC and the listing agent makes no representations or statements of fact on the authenticity of the Cobb / Edwards T206 Honus Wagner Piedmont back baseball card. Manage My Auction, LLC, is a third party professional auction listing services company. We are not affiliated with eBay. We are an independent company. Viewers of this page and bidders agree and acknowledge that they will indemnify and hold harmless Manage My Auction, LLC and its officers, members, employees, partners, agents and staff from any and all claims, causes of action, actions, suits, errors, judgments, actions, failure to obtain any licenses, releases and/or consents and demands as a result of any acts of omission, negligence, injuries or damage to persons and/or property arising out of or in connection with the use of the services specified. Viewers and bidders also certifies that any information and/or materials supplied to Manage My Auction, LLC by Ray Edwards and John Cobb is accurate and complete and therefore Manage My Auction, LLC is not liable for any inaccurate and/or incomplete information or materials provided by Ray Edwards and John Cobb to Manage My Auction, LLC. |
I posted yesterday (a lost post) that it is obvious from the disclaimer that the Auction company is not taking any position on whether it is authentic. To me, since they are the posters on ebay, that is an authenticity disclaimer that Ebay is not suppose to allow.
Also I noticed in their description they reference the t206museum. If you go to their site they have a picture of the card and it says it is a fake. That seems like a backfire on their part. haha :D |
I see ebay took down the auction. I guess managemyauction and ACA didn't have it worked out with ebay like they claimed.
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Cut the guy some slack - I really think he meant to say 'HOBBIT', which of course makes perfect sense. I mean, Hobbits can't really authenticate anything.
http://net54baseball.com/attachment....1&d=1334807320 |
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i sent the seller a message this morning telling him/her what a joke this auction was as the card is a pathetic fake worth about $1 maximum...I wonder if this had any impact!?
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"Why don't those in the collecting hobby except science."
Hobbyists don't disavow science, I think he means why don't they accept science. I feel sorry for the guy because it's obvious he feels the card is genuine no matter how much opinion and information is stacked against him. He needs to deal with the fact the card is not genuine. period. |
I was going to ask the sellers this question.
If I were to take an authentic T206 baseball card produced in 1910 that had a Piedmont back and I cut that back off and then glued on the front of a Honus Wagner reproduction, could I also have a forensic examiner test only the BACK paper fibers, have an obscure Canadian company grade the card and say it is an error or unknown variation and then list it on eBay for a starting bid of $500,000 dollars? I doubt they would list the question on eBay or respond (or if they did, I am sure it would be something derogatory and full of misspelled words). David |
Now that ebay shut him down, is it possible he will finally come around to the fact that his card is no good? Or will he look for yet another venue to try and sell it? At some point he needs to face reality.
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Hey, one of the cuckoos fell out of the nest...
How the f**k are you. First I have been on ebay since 2002, check my HBO and ESPN videos (www.honuswagnerauction.com) or yutube Cobb and Edwards. Secound Mr. know it all on T206's, what company reprinted my card. I need the company name. Don't call it a reprint and you don't know the company that reprinted the card. Also I have been collecting cards and other items for over 30 years. I know what I have and have done the research to prove what I have is the real deal. Do your research and tell me what company reprinted my card since you are calling it a reprint. Good look on finding that company. And if you are not interested in buying my card, then mind your business and move on..... - rainbow95x87 |
Not lookin' like it barry!
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You're right Peter...these guys aren't giving up. Of course, it wouldn't hurt them to get some manners....
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Aren't the authentic versions supposed to say 'No a reprint' on them?
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I do admire their tenacity. I only wish they were doing something productive.
I once had a friend who was very gifted at arguing that a bird and a fish were the same animal. But a bird can fly. Some fish can fly. But fish live in the water. Ducks live in the water and they are birds. I think these guys would get along very well with my friend. I might add, you can look at a fish and tell it's not a bird. |
Sorry. Birds are on the water.
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These guys would fail the 'fish=bird' debate miserably - their logic is flawed on so many levels it isn't funny. My favorites:
Well, that last item wasn't exactly an example of 'logic', but I felt like venting. |
For those that remember this, here is a fun little update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI3mP8xV-KE
(I did a search in case this has already been posted, but didn't see it) |
Picture of it slabbed
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Pictures of the card are now circulating online, see below:
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The show was interesting. We know this story from many years ago. Unfortunately for Ray, the card is wrong in so many ways. The investigation can start and stop with the large (not accurate to T206) name, team caption.
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This show was from early 2013, covered here https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=161975
As you can see a few pages back in this post, I have the same reprint card they have and freely shared scans of it at the time. I would not be working right now if that card was real, I would have sold it 20 years ago, and I wouldn't just assume it was fake unless I didn't have 650+ real T206 cards to compare it to. They refused to take expert opinions on the card, as if auction houses wouldn't be beating down their door to sell that card |
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I must have been in a coma as I have never seen this story before.
When I saw the scan of the card on the first page, I started laughing. Bob |
Wow, blast from the past.
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I watched that entire video and loved it....not for one second did I think it was real...neither did the investigators.
"T206 Earl Gray Portrait with piedmont back" |
At the beginning of the video it recites as fact the number of T206s produced and the number of T206 Wagners produced. Are these facts known?
(This video was interesting and sad although I kinda knew how it would end). |
I loved how the card owner, quite uncomfortably, gave his lame excuse why a multi-million dollar card would be graded by someone other than the Big 3.
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Probably the most idiotic thing I’ve ever watched😳😳
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I will just add...5 page thread about probably the fakiest fake card of all time! |
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