<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/FG1NrQYXjLU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/FG1NrQYXjLU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

enough already
 

I now appreciate how Derek preaches to do his research but then he comes out with a blanket statement like "95% of collectors..."...Derek...where did you get this figure? Did you do any market research? Conduct any polls?

Sheesh...I now feel he is just a troll who stumbled into a part of the internet he was not prepared for.

Leon,

Hello! I think erasing the word “Reprint” is a pretty crappy thing to do as I stated in an earlier post, but I don’t think it could be construed as fraud since he is still selling them as reprints. The bold text that you posted above is really irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, and no, I didn’t skip over that part as you suggested. With all due respect, you skipped over the events in the order in which they happened. I will try to explain my point from another angle.

You stated above that erasing the word “Reprint” from a card is almost akin to fraud. Well, let’s just assume for a minute that it actually is fraud. By posting the bold text above, you’re trying to make it sound like others had a right to interfere.

However, if you look at this thread from the beginning, you can see that he was interfered with 2 days before it was discovered he was erasing the word “reprint” from the card. So, the original intent of the interference was not to point out fraud as you’re trying to suggest in the bold text above, it was to voice the displeasure of some for selling his cards. That just shouldn’t have happened on the B/S/T boards. Whether others like it or not, he has a right to post something for sale without being interfered with.

With that said, this is obviously your forum and you have a right to run it as you wish. I think we can all agree that the cards are garbage, but that is not the point here. The point is that he has a right to sell them. Some want to censor what he is selling. You said in another thread that you didn’t want to censor Bruce and I don’t see the difference in censoring words or censoring items for sale. Censorship is censorship. Again, as much as I, you and others think his cards are garbage, he still has a right to sell them – maybe not here, but somewhere else. I don’t agree with it, just like I don’t agree with serial killers selling their “memorabilia” from behind prison walls, but it is what it is.

Regards,

David

For the most part Bruce's stupidity is all talk, and his ridiculous comments/remarks won't hurt the hobby overall. When these "reprints" are made available to the masses it is obvious that they can easily fall into the wrong hands which of course does hurt the hobby. I am all for non-interference on the B/S/T, but there are cases where sometimes people have to be called out.

Derek- I actually have a huge library. I was a graduate student in English Lit, and I collect books. If anything I have too many and need to get rid of some. But my point is it is unlikely you really understand socialism save how the talking heads on the right carelessly throw the term around. I really don't fully understand it either, so I don't drop it casually into conversations. I'd rather learn more about it before I pretend to be an expert.

That was my only point. Carry on.

The last 10 minutes
 

Can I have the last 10 minutes of my life back please....what a waste of time, and yet I feel the need to respond.

Derek-

Argue all you want, IMO your sole purpose was revealed when you removed the word reprint or any modern dates in your aging process. You are trying to deceive, plain and simple. Your argument that we have all been burned and buyer beware doesn't hold water with me. Why be part of the problem by making these cards available to an unsuspecting public?

To All Others-

Derek is the classic internet forum troll. Loves to stir the pot, doesn't listen to the obvious sound reasoning of the rest of the group and will continue to post so that he always has the last word.

I have had my say, feel somewhat better and will never post again in the is thread so Derek can continue to get his jollies. In fact, I probably will never read this thread again.

Jeff

Why is this post still on? I cannot believe that time is given to this guy wo really doesn't care obuot old cards. His purpose is to get attention and make money selling his crap. Why is this post allowed to continue? It is a absolute joke. Frank

It is probably still on here for the good of the hobby.

The more time that he can be lured into spending here, the less time that he has to ply his ill-conceived wares. :)

Agreed. Shut him down.

The guy is charging $5 for the cards and disclosing that they are reprints. His intent is to defraud?

Adding fuel to the fire.

He is at best either intentionally or recklessly promoting a future fraud.

How to make a $100 by rarerookies:
 

Before:
http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Honus-Wagne...#ht_500wt_1156

After:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Honus-Wagner-T-2...#ht_500wt_1156

and see T206's last comment.....
 

Peter- Actually, I might have missed it but I didn't see anyone say this guy is committing fraud himself. You are ignoring the point.....take this for example....here is what these cards will end up like, and worse.....I guarantee it, and you know it too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Babe-Ruth-Old-Lo...mZ230558370859

Unlike some, I still don't think of him as a troll. He is just causing future problems for the hobby. If you are ok with that, then so be it.

If I were selling unmarked reprints of 100$ bills for 5 bucks, it would be fraud. I think this should be fraud too.

Leon you did miss it, see for example post 167.

"You are trying to deceive, plain and simple."

Not that I am defending the guy or his absurd rants....

How much do reprints usually go for, without the artificially aged look, about a buck right? Another buck for shipping? $2 bucks!

Someone might be interested in paying him $3 bucks per card to rough them up, but I'd rather have a pristine reprint to dream over.

The five dollars includes shipping, but it doesn't say how they are shipped.

Then when I looked at the Wagner, it was $15, but included Case (screw down) and......wait for it....Tracking Jerry, Tracking. Now there are two more items to mark up and the profit starts to add up...the American way of Capitalism at work here. For another $5, I bet I can get a bow and for another $5 a Certificate of nonAuthenticity.

Really not illegal, dubious, but not illegal. Enabling a third party to resell a reprint as authentic, which will invariably happen, is a real shame as far as the hobby is concerned, but as ebay is evidence of, there's apparently more than one sucker born everyday. This fits right in with the banking industry motto - An Uneducated Consumer Is Our Best Customer -

ok then...
 

I didn't really want to post again in this thread but no, I didn't see that, Peter. In that case I agree with you on both points. best regards

The only place a reprint belongs is in the garbage. The few times that a reprint has crossed my path, I tore it up and threw it away.

Dover Reprint details?
 

Does anyone know who was behind making those Dover reprint books way back? We all saw the potential problems of reprints even way back then!
Just curious who was behind this Dover Reprint thing that has turned into an un-controlllable monster all these years later!

As I remember it, I think it was Bert Sugar.

Another thought
 

When the Oakies left Oklahoma and moved to California, it raised the average I.Q. of both states.
Will Rogers

Learn something new every day. Thank you!

It was Bert Sugar. I loved those books, when I was 7, they turned me on to old cards. Other than sharing the same image, they were nothing like the originals; the way reprints should be.

Sort of how the left used to throw around the word "Nazi." I guess that stopped once Bush left office.

I never threw the word around...not even once.

+1

My opinion
 

I think you are nothing better than a whore and should go set up your wares on a shady city street corner.

I've been out for a couple days. whos the whore?

Hilarius. Love that. Seriously someone paid $100 bucks for that. They must be the biggest dummies

Key things to look at for buyers on this post

Seller info
Member id only-deals4u ( Feedback Score Of 0 )

UNKNOWN AUTHENTICITY (PLEASE SEE ABOVE PICTURES)

Only fools would fall for that one.

You can't fix stupid
-Ron White-

Love the quotes

An Uneducated Consumer Is Our Best Customer -

Sorry new to all this internet forum. I had to look up trolling along with several other acronyms you guys use.

I am not saying i am better smarter or right about everything. I express my opinions and respond to individual posts directed towards myself. I enjoy a health educated debate. If you can't hack it by just facts and not use slanderous remarks you might fit in on this post.

Kudos to you!

anyone here soaking there cards?
 

I find this distrubing and please someone back this up. I understand the reason why, however you guys areslamming me for aging reprints while you guys are soaking originals and altering the card in such a way to get a higher grade. When your selling your card to you disclose to the buyer, hey i gave this a bath in water for a couple days do it would look nicer for you and so i caould sell it to you at a higher price. So who's really doing the missleading?

Soaked=Real Fake=Fake

Soaking is not altering the card. Giving a card a bath just cleans it up and lifts the grime, no crime, nothing to disclose. If someone takes the time to clean up a card and make it look nicer than it was they deserve to get a higher price, after all, eye appeal is everything.

People who soak cards to remove paper, gum, etc. from the card are not trying to defraud the people they are selling it to or creating a situation where someone is defrauded. Often people do disclose that a card was altered when they sell it.

Original card + water = nicer original card ... no fraud
Reprint card + "aging" = unknown reprint card...fraud

BTW, if you know the answer as you state, why ask the question?

Soaking?
 

Ok. So if you soak the card to enhance the appeal of the card doesn't sanding, re backing, trimming help enhance the card too?

So if soaking's ok then whats wrong with trimming or rebacking as long as the reback is an original card? Don't those enhance the appeal of the card too?

The word card doctors come to mind.

Derek- do you actually believe your argument, or are you just giving everybody a hard time?

This reminds me of a guy I knew years ago who started selling computer cards for satelite dishes which enabled you to recieve pay channels at no monthly cost. I asked him about the legality of it and he said ,"it's legal for me to sell them,but it's illegal for people to use them".:rolleyes:

Is this guy serious?
 

My car gets a "bath" on a regular basis. That doesn't make it FAKE.

Card doctors is actually two words, not one.

The poster also needs to learn the difference between there and their, and slander and libel.

Greg

So basically you really have nothing of any substance to say about the topic besides grammar issues?

It doesn't make it a fake but it does alter the appearance of the card

No one has given me a reason not to believe my argument and as long as you guys keep posting on this thread I'll keep responding.

That makes no sense. You can legally own a reprint.

ok Derek, you are right and everyone is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLzJ3tGLWxA

The difference, obvious to everyone except you, is that you are "aging" the cards to deceive, not enhance. Putting lipstick on the pig so to speak!

If you use a little water to get rid of some dirt, you are not deceiving anyone.

If you wish to sell this crap, this is probably the wrong place to do it. I would suggest places like Blowout cards, who's card buying members might not have the same upstanding morals as the members of this site do!

You are not going to find any sympathy or customers here!

Sorry if i am being rude, and i am sure I am not alone in this statement...

IF YOUR ONLY PURPOSE HERE IS TO SELL REPRINTS ..... GO AWAY!! (i apologize in advance Leon)

.

I don't read stupid threads often. But when I do, I prefer to read about artificially aged reprints that will be sold at a later date on eBay to a clueless collector.

Stay thirsty my friends.

Yeah, please peddle your junk elsewhere. This site is for collectors of authentic material.

RR- I was just reminded of that because,..

If you're selling reprints,that is perfectly legal.

But if your selling reprints that have been "enhanced" to look real,then it's obvious that your target market will be mainly crooks who will try to resell the cards as real,which is Illegal.

I admit it's not a apples to apples comparison,but I said I was reminded of it,not that it was the same.

I tried to educate...he is a troll.

You want a better comparison...

You take a known fake purse and remove the tags and add gucci symbol. You say you are just enhancing something to make it affordable to someone who can't own the real thing. You want it to look authentic. It is still a fake though and can still then be used for a fraudulent transaction.

OR...you take a real gucci bag, clean off the dirt and sew up the rip. It is still a real gucci bag and still retains its value as such.

Do you get it now?

Wow. I didn't realize it was the left painting Hitler mustaches on Obama images during health care debates. Thanks for enlightening us.

I haven't posted anything else for sale on this site since I found out you guys weren't interested.

I understand what you are saying but you are bashing me for something someone else might do. And not what I am doing. Just like if someone goes out and buys sudafed and makes meth out of it or someone buys a gun and murders someone.

Do you blame the gun or the drug manufacturer or do you blame the person who buys it?

Yawn. I have not followed this thread, but of the little I have skimmed through this morning, I have one request: Leon, please shut this down.
JimB

+1. This guy is free to start a forum for collectors of artficially aged reprinted cards. Or used dental floss. He has worn out his welcome here.

Turning sudafed into meth requires work. Buying a gun requires some process (background checks / certification /etc). Buying a $5 reprint from you that has been made to look like the original and had the word "reprint" removed is MUCH easier.

What you are actually doing (using your analogy) is taking sudafed (a reprint with "reprint" on it) and turning it into what looks and tastes like meth, but selling it as sudafed. Obviously, someone down the line will try to pass it off as the real thing, which its not.

So are you saying that I am just as guilty for selling reprints as the end user is for selling them at original?

No not at all, I believe the correct term would be 'enabler'

Ok, that's fair. I will accept that title.

Three Reichs and you're out!
 

Here's an artificially aged card that has been altered by Nazis. Can we put this thread out of its misery now?
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...er%20Matty.jpg

Yeah, the lefties never called Bush Hitler or anything like that. They were too busy smoking dope, collecting their allowances and buying baseball cards.

Darn. Thread didn't get locked in time. Double darn.

Great Gift Idea!
 

This thread has really got me thinking.

What would be the best way to artificially age a recreation of Hitler's used dental floss?

It would make a great stocking stuffer for that special nazi on your Christmas list. :rolleyes:


Really, this thread lives?? :confused:

Hitler had false teeth. Seriously get your history right before it makes you look ignorant again, sir. :D

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...u_dumb_ass.jpg

Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?

We have reached this point.

Teeth? You quoted me, but no where in my sarcastic post did I mention teeth.

If you ever get a chance to study history, instead of simply typing the word, look into the many uses for floss during WWII.

Now, if you're looking for someone appropriate to call names, I suggest you find a mirror.

A quote from you. "What would be the best way to artificially age a recreation of Hitler's used dental floss?"

Enlighten me, what else would have Hitler uses dental floss for?

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/...u_dumb_ass.jpg

Rarerookies.. i got you a Christmas present

http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friend...1707774&sr=8-1

why are asteriods in the sky and hemmorhoids in your ass?

This has got to be . . .
 

. . . one of the lamest 235+ post car-crash-troll threads I've ever forced myself to read through on Net54baseball.com.

Aside from the lefty-righty political Nazi jabs taking place in the margins, the whole thing can be summed up by (1) a guy that is legally selling altered reprints vs. (2) the conscience of the entire pre-war baseball card community that disdains people that legally sell altered reprints.

I've enjoyed my popcorn more watching "I know you are, but what am I" fights between kids on a playground.

Sheesh... no reason to lock the thread, it's so boring it will ultimately fall by the weight of its own lameness.

How sweet of you. Thanks bro

Have we hit 10,000 views yet?

All I want for Christmas...
 

is for this thread to die...

Please Leon, put an end to this...

not usually.....will I lock them....
 

As a general rule I don't like to lock threads, censor, tell people what to say, protect advertisers or ban/suspend people etc.......Think of a moderator as a referee in a fight. They should be seen but not heard too much. If people will quit posting in this thread it will move off of the page...