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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Very gutsy of you Ted, deleting your posts. Especially your name-calling ones.<br /><br />Real backbone there.<br /><br />(Do you think if you delete them, it will be like you never wrote them?)

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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Ted deletes ( is there anyone on this thread who is more bitter than he is?)and Jim C does not answer a direct question, which I believe I asked twice. I think non answering tells us the answer. We would never have heard of Barack Steven if that was his name.<br />and another tidbit from Jim C -"best wishes for a Palin presidency in 2012", after Obama has served eight years, Mrs Palin will simply be the answer to a trivia question and a punchline for Leno and Letterman.<br /><br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>&lt;&lt; because I called Govenor Palin's child mongoloid rather than's Downs Syndrome? I thought the two terms were synonymous. I have never heard anyone say that is a racist term--if someone I respect says it is I will retract it and never say it again.&gt;&gt;<br /><br />adj.<br /><br /> 1. Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia. See Usage Note at race1.<br /> 2. Characteristic of or resembling a Mongol.<br /> 3. also mongoloid <i>Offensive.</i> Of or relating to Down syndrome.<br /><br />n.<br /><br /> 1. Anthropology. A member of the Mongoloid racial classification.<br /> 2. also mongoloid <i>Offensive.</i> A person affected with Down syndrome.<br /><br /><br />Medical Dictionary: Mon·gol·oid<br />or mon·gol·oid (mŏng'gə-loid', mŏn'-)<br />adj.<br /><br />Of or relating to Down syndrome. Not in technical use.<br />n.<br /><br />A person affected with Down syndrome. No longer in technical use. Now considered offensive.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>&lt;&lt;Big difference between the two.&gt;&gt;<br /><br />Finally something you and I agree upon, as well, Jeff!<br /><br />Well done!

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Wow! Crandell didn't know that "Mongoloid" was an offensive term for a person with Down Syndrome?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Lot of things I don't know Dan and this obviously one of them.<br /><br />I would like to apologize for my use of the term "Mongoloid" which I thought was just another word for someone with Down Syndrome. I think it said "now considered offensive". Whichever, I would never insult someone with Down Syndrome knowingly and I apologize for having used the term

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>You may want to brush up on your etiquette, there, Jim. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Jim- I have a 38 year old brother who has Downs Syndrome and I feel the term "mongoloid" is extremely offensive. My brother (also named Jim) is the sweetest and most loving child God ever put on this earth. My mother had Jim when tests in this area were not routinely given to detect problems like this in older women. My mother, being extremely intelligent, pleaded with her physicians early on in the pregnancy to have the test (I believe it is called an amniotic tap) done because she had strong concerns about the possibility of an over 40 year old woman having a child born with Downs Syndrome. Unfortunately the local physicians did not find it necessary. I only wish I had had my law license then...<br />If you truly didn't know how offensive the term is, Jim, I won't condemn you for using it, but hopefully now that you are aware you will never use it again.<br />Bob

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Touching story Bob. We live and learn. <br /><br />I did not know it was offensive and I won't use it again. I'm sorry.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I never thought it possible but you've singlehandedly managed to make Jim C. seem sympathetic and Scott Elkins normal. Congratulations.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jeff, what time is your show going to air and is it streamed on the internet?<br /><br />Thanks.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dan,<br /><br />Either Jeff does not know yet or he doesn't want to tell us--I think we have both asked this without getting an answer.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Oh sorry -- missed that. Thursday 8-10 pm, wabcradio.com.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Excellent! Thank you.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>PS -- Adam, good Devo reference. Probably my favorite Devo song of all time.

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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Considering I asked the question twice and got no answer, I would have to assume that Barack Steven Obama would not have been used if that was his name.<br /><br />=<br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1221846157/Put+President+Bush+on+Mt.+Rushmore" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1221846157/Put+President+Bush+on+Mt.+Rushmore</a><br /><br />P.S. Love your collection on Flicker. Nice to see those Chases and Browns in pristine condition. Great hobby, ain't it!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I had totally forgotten that one. Hilarious! Sounds like we may have to give him two spots on Mt. Rushmore after today's day in the market!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Market up nearly 1000 points...amazing!

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Hooray for Gordon Brown and the Brits!!! Another lesson at how slow and inefficient our own government has gotten.