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1. I wonder if deMause's research would still hold up now eighteen years later? 2. Moreover the perception that higher salaries lead to higher prices for fans is still there. This leaves a bad taste in the mouths of many fans. It's "Why should I support those multi-millionaires at the ball park out of my meager earnings? I'll leave that to somebody else." I'm that way. As ticket prices for big league sports have exploded, my attendance has dropped precipitously. I'm much more inclined now to attend junior and other minor league games instead. :( |
Juan believed he was entitled to a free suite at Yankee Stadium, whilst Derek Jeter and Aaron Judge pay for theirs. I guess that was the final straw that Brian Cashman decided was not going to fly. In essence, with all the money you'll be making, you can afford to pay for your own suite. Well said, and well decided, Mr. Cashman. If that's the state of Juan Soto's mentality, I say to the Mets, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!"
As for Soto, from now on, to me, he'll be known as SEMI-SUITE SOTO.:mad: -- Brian Powell |
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Yeah, Bobby, I feel much better for saying to Mets fans, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!!" His thinking he deserved a free Yankee suite REALLY turned me off. It was not as if the Yanks' offer was a low-ball, chintzy amount. Semi-suite Soto really showed the inter-workings of his character during these negotiations. Sure, the Yanks will need to find someone to bat before Mr. Judge, but I think they eventually will.
So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell |
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Yeah, I stand by the statement that he made things easier for Judge... wherever he sat in the lineup. Maybe they didn't win it all, but they don't make the World Series without Soto last year. Just like every other year before, when Judge, with a few occasional spurts from D.J. Lemahieu, Gleyber and Stanton and a few fly by nighters (Luke Voit, Matt Carpenter, etc..), had to carry the offense all by himself for the most part. |
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I have heard that Soto was turned off from the Yankees by an incident where stadium security kicked his family out of the clubhouse. On the plus side, at least they're spending. Even though they're using the money for pitchers that they don't really need... |
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I dislike the Mets, love the Yanks. However. Soto may have received nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium. Mostly because he's not really a streaky hitter, and is a picture of consistency at what he does good. but... In his first (and only) year in Yankee Stadium, he witnessed Aaron Judge regularly getting mercilessly booed at Yankee Stadium for the 1st month of the season, when Judge was mired in a slump, before he broke out of it, and ended up having a somewhat historical regular season. That's Aaron Judge! The most beloved figure in New York since Derek Jeter and Mark Messier. What happens when the guy now getting paid MORE than Judge, and was NOT a homegrown hero, takes a statistical downturn or goes into a slump? Mets fans aren't any more acerbic then Yankees fans. Also, the suite had nothing to do with nothing. Cohen was going to outbid whoever, and that's what Scott Boras was whispering into Soto's ear. Leverage the Yankees, Dodgers and whoever else, and prove I'm the superstar agent everybody thinks I am...whether it makes me or you seem like a villain or not. |
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Like most baseball contracts, it is guaranteed, unless he opts out himself after 5 years to try and chase more money. So yes, if he steps into a gopher hole in the outfield, runs head first into the dugout steps, falls into a bottomless sink hole, or develops a Rick James level coke habit or gets DFA'd down the the minors due to non-performance, the Mets are on the hook for it all (unless of course there's some type of sink hole or coke exception written into the contract that we don't know about yet). |
Oh....and owners raise the price of tickets. Not players.
Thought I needed to state the obvious. ;) |
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2. Your behavior supports deMause. You are not willing to pay more just because owners' expenses are higher. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk |
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By all accounts, Soto was a model teammate with the Yankees and wherever he’s played. It’s a historic signing for the Mets and I just pray it doesn’t work out like most of the Mets’ big signings.
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Seems weird to admire a guy who believes contracts shouldn't be honored. |
$1 million per week. Every week. For 15 years. Nice.
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I don't think managers are seen as the saviors they once were and I don't think they wield the kind of influence they once did either. If a manager wanted to attempt to assert their dominance and bench Soto for a family suite they would be shown the door the next day.
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Only found a couple of studies on the subject and both say clubhouse chemistry is too subjective to measure: Baseball Therapy: How to Measure Clubhouse Chemistry by Russell A. Carleton in 2013 concluded that "Right now, we don't know, but I think we as sabermetricians do ourselves a disservice if we assume that chemistry doesn't matter"
Another study: "Can We Measure Clubhouse Chemistry?" by Sky Andrecheck in 1999 stated: "So, if we assume that each player has a clubhouse contribution, with the mean centered at zero and a small standard deviation of about 0.2 wins, how much can clubhouse chemistry really affect the team's overall performance? Multiplying the SD by the square root of 25, we see that clubhouse chemistry would have a standard deviation of 1 win, meaning that the team with the worst chemistry in baseball will lose about 2 extra games because of it, while teams with the best chemistry gain about 2 extra wins. At least, that's the best estimate we have from looking at teams' behavior with regard to their personnel decisions. The true value of chemistry is probably so difficult to determine, that it cannot be ascertained directly. If teams are under or over valuing clubhouse chemistry, then theoretically a team could take advantage by assembling an all-jerk team or an all good-guy team to take advantage of the inefficiency. However, by looking at teams' behavior, we have attempted to estimate at least what clubhouse attitude is currently valued at among major league teams. Is it valued correctly? For that, perhaps an even more subjective view is needed. I always wondered if Cobb, Bonds, Albert Belle and others never winning World Series pointed to cancers in the clubhouse affecting performance. And by the way, I don't think Cobb was an evil person like some, but I believe Sam Crawford said he was not a great teammate. |
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No Contact with Yankees Teammates Plus evidently his relationship with Manny Machado of the Padres was "difficult". :eek: |
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:( Soto better be opening up that suite to teammates' families as well. |
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Also, winning 99 and then blowing a 3-1 lead is underperforming. And it's not like his Braves teams had a rep for overachieving. |
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Look, are you just a Bobby Cox or an Atlanta Braves hater? If so, take it somewhere else. I haven't liked the Braves since they moved from Milwaukee and I'm therefore not inclined to defend them. Moreover I don't have the patience to deal with silliness. :rolleyes: |
He will be a DH in less than 3 years. They can have him!
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I agree. That trade put the Yankees in the World Series. Michael King is a nice player but I think you trade him for a chance at a title every time.
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So AGAIN, they have nothing to be embarrassed about. |
The Yankees very rarely trade someone who is actually good. The only player in recent memory I can think of who began their career as a Yankees prospect and went on to have a solid career after they traded him is Alfonso Soriano, and they traded him for A-Rod.
The Yankees have traded a ton of hyped prospects over the years, guys like Nick Johnson, Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, etc. They are typically players it was wise to trade. |
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Also, I can do without the ad hom attacks: "you're a this, you're a that." Grow up |
Come on now. They did not overpay Max Fried and Max Fried's signing was not related to Soto walking. The Yankees needed a starter with or without Soto, just like they need a first baseman.
A reminder that the Red Sox gave Aroldis Chapman 10.75 million to not even close out games. |
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I'm not going to defend that Chapman signing either...but at least it's only one year. |
Nathan Eovaldi is 5 years older than Fried and will make 25 million a year for the next three years.
It is not overpaying in this market. If you want to sign a starter, that is the price. |
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Were there other teams who wanted to sign a 30 year old lefty coming off an All Star season? Why wouldn't there be?
Kikuchi signed a three year deal for 63 million all because he pitched 60 good innings for the Astros last year after pitching 115 bad ones with Toronto. Whether or not Fried is good for the next 8 years doesn't really come into play when you're talking about what the market is for a starter. You will pay near his price to sign even mediocre pitchers who are older than him. |
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Speaking of their need for left handed hitting...
https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1869136879406510591 |
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As others have said, Soto's departure is a blessing for the Yankees. |
Hard to believe that Soto left the Yankees just because Mets offered him a suite for his family and the Yankees didn't
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