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frankbmd 07-09-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 2444100)
People have really scraped the bottom of the barrel of possible things to complain about when they get triggered over the use of 'rookie card' with regards to non-sports personalities, and h2oya311 put it perfectly when he said (paraphrase alert) it was just a general way to say 'first' card.

Frank, if you send me a pic, I will gladly plug you in to a 1972 Topps 'In Action' card that you can then call your rookie (meaning FIRST) card. The only proviso is you actually have to be doing something active in the photograph (any activity under the sun counts)...which seems to be getting tougher for many of us these days. :D

Frank "still waiting for my rookie card" Burkett


Bowling in Chiang Rai, Thailand

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Shankweather 07-09-2024 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2443899)
I think the term “rookie”’ is absurd in this context.

Hypothetically a guy performs on stage or screen for a dozen years and then ends for the first time on a card or similar item …. That ain’t a rookie anything. It’s a first something.

If Joe Biden or Willie Nelson ended up on a card this year for the first time, would someone with a straight face claim that as a “rookie” something?

Baseball rookie cards aren't dependent on a player's rookie or debut season. It's just the first time they have a card in an MLB set. Like Jeter's 1993 RCs when he didn't debut until 1995 and his rookie season was 1996. Hamlet didn't get a card until the 1880s, almost 300 years after the play was written. But everyone knows this is his rookie card. Everyone.

https://allthecubs.com/wp-content/up...7/Hamlet-s.jpg

JollyElm 07-09-2024 04:15 PM

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Here ya go, 'Ole Pink Shoes'...


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irishdenny 07-13-2024 07:32 AM

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The "Prince of Preachers" Only Tobacco Card ~

D. Bergin 07-13-2024 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm (Post 2446744)
Here ya go, 'Ole Pink Shoes'...


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That’s Awesome! :D

Bill77 07-13-2024 10:14 AM

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Here is an interesting one that I just found. I would have thought that Scott Bakula would have had an earlier card such as maybe a set based on Quantum Leap, but apparently, they never made a Quantum Leap set. His first card is from the 1993 version of Face to Face.

boneheadandrube 07-13-2024 10:34 AM

It's only a postcard but...
 
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How About a Ferdinand Porsche Rookie? :)

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Peter_Spaeth 07-13-2024 10:35 AM

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Jimmy BUffett's first, from the same issue.

Cozumeleno 07-13-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill77 (Post 2447551)
Here is an interesting one that I just found. I would have thought that Scott Bakula would have had an earlier card such as maybe a set based on Quantum Leap, but apparently, they never made a Quantum Leap set. His first card is from the 1993 version of Face to Face.

I have a couple of these board games, one sealed. There are a ton of rookies in them from what I've been able to research. And they're a Canadian issue that wasn't heavily produced that I have seen. You can find singles on eBay but complete games/sets are somewhat hard to find.

Peter_Spaeth 07-13-2024 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cozumeleno (Post 2447640)
I have a couple of these board games, one sealed. There are a ton of rookies in them from what I've been able to research. And they're a Canadian issue that wasn't heavily produced that I have seen. You can find singles on eBay but complete games/sets are somewhat hard to find.

1987 Motto and 1991 Face to Face are great sources of first cards.

Arazi4442 07-13-2024 05:06 PM

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I know PSA isn’t always completely accurate but they have this one listed from 1930. Earliest one I know of.

mantlefan 07-13-2024 05:48 PM

NS Rookies
 
Long before Disney revived his fame, Davy had a rookie back in 1910:


https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...49Crockett.jpg


Earliest Lindy I can find is from a German set issued a year before his famous flight across the Atlantic:

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...INDYSMALL3.jpg

The Boy General's rookie appeared just 12 years after his Last Stand:


https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...CUSTERPSA5.jpg


Caesar's first card was in that same 1888 set:


https://caimages.collectors.com/psai.../N15Caesar.jpg

Peter_Spaeth 07-20-2024 12:23 PM

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Robin Williams.

Peter_Spaeth 07-29-2024 07:48 PM

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Another Michael Jackson "rookie" card, this one Australian, 1972 EMI.

Shankweather 07-30-2024 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Arazi4442 (Post 2447654)
I know PSA isn’t always completely accurate but they have this one listed from 1930. Earliest one I know of.

Very often when PSA says "1930" it's actually "1930s," as in they don't know exactly when.

Spike 07-31-2024 10:42 PM

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I brought a half-dozen sealed packs of 1978 Donruss "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" to the 2024 National and challenged my friends to unwrap Steve Martin's first card (he has two in that set). Sam here found it straightaway.

Peter_Spaeth 08-01-2024 08:37 AM

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One year later for Steve Martin.

rhettyeakley 08-03-2024 11:49 PM

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My favorite early John Wayne card...

Frankie Darro Picture Stamp Club

These are very similar in size and look to the Rogers Peet sports card set and feature essentially "friends" of young actor Frankie Darro, who was a bit of a big deal as a young actor in the early 1930's.

Dates to 1934 as it references Darro's movie "Burn 'em up Barnes"

It features cards of boxer Max Baer, Laurel/Hardy, Shirley Temple, Will Rogers, the Little Rascals, and a young John Wayne.

Mark17 08-04-2024 12:10 AM

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How About a Ferdinand Porsche Rookie? :)


Was Prince Heinrich's last name really Fahrt?

edhans 08-04-2024 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2452060)
Was Prince Heinrich's last name really Fahrt?

I think that's the German for "drives".

Peter_Spaeth 08-14-2024 08:29 PM

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1991 Face to Face Bob Newhart and Richard Pryor. Pryor has some in role cards in an earlier Topps Superman issue but going with this one.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 08-14-2024 08:38 PM

If none have been produced, somebody has to create one for George Carlin and Mitch Hedberg. Both at the top of the comedy food chain for me.

Peter_Spaeth 08-14-2024 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B (Post 2454310)
If none have been produced, somebody has to create one for George Carlin and Mitch Hedberg. Both at the top of the comedy food chain for me.

Here is Carlin's first, from the same issue.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 08-15-2024 04:18 AM

Glad to know he has a card. Man, that set design leaves a lot to be desired, though! Wow. On the positive side, they wouldn't have been bad for autograph purposes, with a spot to sign underneath the mugshots!

Peter_Spaeth 08-15-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B (Post 2454337)
Glad to know he has a card. Man, that set design leaves a lot to be desired, though! Wow. On the positive side, they wouldn't have been bad for autograph purposes, with a spot to sign underneath the mugshots!

They were issued in Canada as part of some sort of board game, so emphasis was not on the design. The set is a gold mine for non-sports first cards.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 08-15-2024 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2454399)
They were issued in Canada as part of some sort of board game, so emphasis was not on the design. The set is a gold mine for non-sports first cards.

I'm in Canada. What was the game called? I'll be sure to scour every thrift store I'm in.

Peter_Spaeth 08-15-2024 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B (Post 2454412)
I'm in Canada. What was the game called? I'll be sure to scour every thrift store I'm in.

Face to Face. There is also a 1993 edition, see example.

BeanTown 08-19-2024 01:38 AM

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Not sure if Walt Disney with Mickey Mouse has been shown yet

Peter_Spaeth 08-21-2024 04:20 PM

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1930s Brazilian issue of Ray Bolger that I think may be his first card. Despite the Wizard of Oz, there are very few contemporaneous cards of Bolger, and almost none of Jack Haley or Bert Lahr, for some reason.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 08-21-2024 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2455688)
1930s Brazilian issue of Ray Bolger that I think may be his first card. Despite the Wizard of Oz, there are very few contemporaneous cards of Bolger, and almost none of Jack Haley or Bert Lahr, for some reason.

Is it perhaps due to Bolger being the most well known of the trio at the time? I feel like, many years later, Bolger would be the one that most people could name above the others. Bolger and Margaret Hamilton have to be the best known besides Garland.

Hamilton clung on to that role for the rest of her life.

I'll always remember Clara Blandick because of the rarity of her autograph.

Peter_Spaeth 08-21-2024 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B (Post 2455703)
Is it perhaps due to Bolger being the most well known of the trio at the time? I feel like, many years later, Bolger would be the one that most people could name above the others. Bolger and Margaret Hamilton have to be the best known besides Garland.

I'll always remember Clara Blandick because of the rarity of her autograph.

Maybe but there are infinite numbers of 30s and 40s movie issues with countless obscure names. The short supply of cards of these three is striking. I have two Bolgers, one Haley and no Lahrs.

Peter_Spaeth 08-26-2024 04:42 PM

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1978 European sticker of Emmylou Harris.

Fred 08-26-2024 08:19 PM

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How about Alfred E. Neuman, 8 years prior to the first release of Mad magazine. This post card has a cancellation date of 1944.

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h2oya311 08-26-2024 09:21 PM

That Alfred E Newman is fantastic!!

BeanTown 08-26-2024 11:50 PM

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That Alfred E Newman is fantastic!!

+1

Yoda 08-27-2024 10:20 AM

Peter, your collection of non-sports cards is terrific. I particularly like the young Churchill, which proves he had hair at one time in his youth. Is it rare?

Yoda 08-27-2024 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2446640)
Frank "still waiting for my rookie card" Burkett


Bowling in Chiang Rai, Thailand

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Frank, did you make the split?

Peter_Spaeth 08-27-2024 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2457010)
Peter, your collection of non-sports cards is terrific. I particularly like the young Churchill, which proves he had hair at one time in his youth. Is it rare?

John, I wouldn't say rare, but it depends on frame of reference.

KJA 08-27-2024 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2444027)
Basketball too given the huge gaps in production prior to 1969. 1948, 1957, 1961 so lots of "RCs" of players 5, 6 years into their careers.

And then the gap in production in the 80's so 1986 Fleer set had quite a few RC's of players who weren't really rookies like Jordan. Unless you count the STAR releases.

Peter_Spaeth 08-27-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KJA (Post 2457078)
And then the gap in production in the 80's so 1986 Fleer set had quite a few RC's of players who weren't really rookies like Jordan. Unless you count the STAR releases.

IMO people who don't count the Star releases are people who don't want to pay for a 101 Jordan.


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