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pokerplyr80 03-28-2019 09:08 PM
Sounds reasonable Leon. Since the one rule around here is a name on posts with opinions it would be hard to enforce if people are registering with fake info.

It also seems very odd that the guy wanted to buy the card he outed as doctored. Can any of our site detectives determine what that's all about?

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2019 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1866038)
Sounds reasonable Leon. Since the one rule around here is a name on posts with opinions it would be hard to enforce if people are registering with fake info.

It also seems very odd that the guy wanted to buy the card he outed as doctored. Can any of our site detectives determine what that's all about?
It was 2 years ago maybe he hadn't put it together at the time with the earlier iteration.

pokerplyr80 03-28-2019 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1866041)
It was 2 years ago maybe he hadn't put it together at the time with the earlier iteration.
It still seems very odd at best. How many posts have you seen that say "I want to buy this card" and have a picture of said card in the wtb listing? I recall maybe 1 or 2 where it was a previously owned card that held sentimental significance.

timn1 03-29-2019 12:12 PM
no sarcasm meant
 
No, I totally agree with you (you were thrown off by my being sincere for a change)- if someone is unwilling to provide their actual info to the moderator, then they should be banned-

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1866030)
Hi Tim
I denote a bit of sarcasm, but maybe not. At any rate I don't feel someone should be a allowed to out a fraudster while being a fraudster. Somewhere it is called a clean hands doctrine. In this forum world you have to have clean hands to combat fraud yourself. No fraudsters allowed to detect other fraudsters. And if nothing else their registrations are fraudulent. I watch too much Judge Judy. :) Wouldn't it be something if one of these really was Nash? One of the biggest fraudsters the hobby has ever known fighting crime. Sweet....

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bigfanNY 01-27-2025 12:19 PM
With the current Authentic vs 6.5 Controversy thought I would bump this up. A different scenario but Another 36 WWG Joe D.

Yoda 01-28-2025 10:40 AM
I agree that the card graded 7 has been trimmed but can't help wondering if they might be 2 different cards. I say this because to my eye the centering appears slightly different; the graded 5 seems to have 50/50 centering while the 7 is more 70/30. Not trying to be the Devil's Advocate, just the way the cards appear to my eye.

samosa4u 01-28-2025 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2491643)
I agree that the card graded 7 has been trimmed but can't help wondering if they might be 2 different cards. I say this because to my eye the centering appears slightly different; the graded 5 seems to have 50/50 centering while the 7 is more 70/30. Not trying to be the Devil's Advocate, just the way the cards appear to my eye.
If you look at all the photos posted on the first page, then you will see that they are not two different cards. Somebody trimmed the left and right edges of that SGC 5 and turned it into an SGC 7.

And what's even more f**ked up is that SGC did nothing about it (despite all the evidence that clearly shows both L&R edges being trimmed). It is still up on their database:

SEARCHED AUTH CODE:
2300782
Set:
1936 World Wide Gum Co.
Card #:
51
Subject:
Joe Di Maggio
Description:
-
Graded On:
June 2011
Grade:
7 NM

luciobar1980 01-28-2025 11:44 AM
I mean to me this just means that there isn't a grading company that out there that is 100% foolproof, and that detecting trimmed cards is more difficult than we think? Which sucks. I don't really think SGC should be ashamed about this, it's just the way it is. Humans aren't perfect machines and every grading company will f up from time to time.

Think about all the times this probably happens and no one puts it together and posts about it like this on a message board.

Does this issue vary quite a bit in terms of size??

samosa4u 01-28-2025 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by luciobar1980 (Post 2491669)
I mean to me this just means that there isn't a grading company that out there that is 100% foolproof, and that detecting trimmed cards is more difficult than we think? Which sucks. I don't really think SGC should be ashamed about this, it's just the way it is. Humans aren't perfect machines and every grading company will f up from time to time.

Think about all the times this probably happens and no one puts it together and posts about it like this on a message board.
I don't think you understand the severity of this. Despite seeing the before and after scans which clearly shows that the L&R borders were chopped, SGC still chose to do nothing about it. They had a chance to fix this mistake, but decided not to. This is very unprofessional and one day somebody is going to pay three million dollars for this trimmed POS.

bigfanNY 01-28-2025 01:42 PM
SGC 7 1936 WWG Joe Dimaggio Trimmed
 
See post #66 in this thread. Contact for Heritage Auctions said that card would be sent to SGC for review. It would be very sad if SGC left this card in the Holder and just moved on. But given it is still on the POP report it looks like that is what happened.

luciobar1980 01-28-2025 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2491683)
I don't think you understand the severity of this. Despite seeing the before and after scans which clearly shows that the L&R borders were chopped, SGC still chose to do nothing about it. They had a chance to fix this mistake, but decided not to. This is very unprofessional and one day somebody is going to pay three million dollars for this trimmed POS.
Oh ok, didn't realize they actually knew about it and decided to ignore it. Well, when it comes to money people will ignore morals and ethics, I guess. And I'm generally an SGC fan, way over PSA.


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