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Praise from George Bush for Ali
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"Muhammad Ali was an iconic and historic figure who thrilled, entertained, influenced, and inspired millions. Americans will always be proud to have been in his corner and called him one of our own. Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to Muhammad Ali's family and friends." # # # White House photo by Paul Morse, courtesy of the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum/NARA. I was going to have several responses to your post so I put this as the first one and then realized he didn't serve! but it's a pretty good one from someone you probably voted for...and the ONLY thing I have ever agreed with Bush on!! |
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I just haven't been able to get past what he put Frazier through and never personally apologized for. Tom C |
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I bet there isn't a person on the board that has said or done something racist when they were younger and regretted if not hated themselves for it. We don't know what was in his heart or mind at the time so why are we judging a man? Because he was famous and we can sit in our glass houses and high horses while we do it. |
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I was talking to my Dad yesterday. He was an Army Ranger during the Vietnam War, is a proud veteran, can recite military history from throughout the 20th Century, and he had nothing but complimentary things to say about Ali. |
Sorry I read this.
C'mon, Leon. Lock this thread.
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+1 enough is enough . |
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If you find yourself writing about something other than pre-war baseball cards on this forum, I would encourage you to find another place to do it. While it is possible for those of us who are disinterested in learning the political or religious leanings of pre-war baseball card collectors to just skip the thread or try to ignore it, the unhealthy effect such discourse has on the one thing that brings us all here is inevitable. |
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Please!!!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I was just telling someone I was coming back every few hours for the drama. :eek: |
Here's a suggestion to those that want the thread locked -- don't read it or post in it.
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Nice to see a throwback to the the good old days with a turn to vociferous political argument, evocative of time when this forum was less nerdy. Now hoping for someone to hijack the thread toward a debate over the merits of Jimi Hendrix vs. Cream, or some other such weighty issue. We almost got there with Ted Nugent. |
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Regardless of whether or not I read this thread, I believe it to be detrimental to the health of a vintage baseball card board to have the top two threads be completely OT. Just keeps diluting the only reason most of us come here. Carry on if you wish, but it doesn't advance the hobby.
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Oh please. Hopefully the hobby and this board will survive.
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"Somebody please take away our pitchforks. We can't handle the responsibility."
LOL! ;) |
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Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean that you can't respect their opinion or their right to express it. To me, that means that our fathers, grandfathers, & great-grandfathers fought for all Americans, black, white, etc. to express their opinions. I think, as Americans, we should should respect each others opinions, although we may disagree.
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Actually, I just can't manage to get into that one. I like them both, and there are plenty references to both that tell me neither Hendrix or Clapton would get into it either. When Cream broke up Hendrix played a song live that night and specifically said something along the lines of "It's not about who's better or anything it's just a great song and I wish them the best" Clapton supposedly said at one time that the first time he saw Hendrix he couldn't bring himself to pick up the guitar for a couple weeks. (Probably apocryphal since I've heard the same thing with other guitar players.) What wasn't mentioned about Nugent is that a good deal of the venison he and his friends hunt gets donated to people in need who have heart conditions since it's supposedly much healthier than beef. Of course, Hendrix enlisted, and was a paratrooper. Got kicked out/ left depending on what account you read. The actual record shows him being kicked out if I'm not mistaken. While I was a bit young, I've studied a bit, and overall it was a complex and often bitterly divided time. I'd rather look at someones overall life and what they've done good and bad rather than condemn them for a choice made while young during that sort of era. That should cover all the derailing points no? Hendrix, Cream, a minor religious reference, and a bit of Ted Nugent. I'll leave you with this, a bit of a musical interlude by one of those dirty hippies who's also a veteran.:D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnSANzUYJE Steve B |
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For the record, I am a big fan of Ali and JFK, and I don't have much good to say about Nixon or Johnson. I'm also a conservative. |
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http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/johnson.htm |
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Please,,, skip the thread if you don't want to read it. Please explain to me how it is detrimental when anyone can just skip it. |
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US Army veteran US 51606--- Ali was a hero to his country. There is a difference between country and government. |
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Uh,,, are you kidding or is that a serious statement? |
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Mark Twain
-- I would speculate that Mark Twain would not have supported his government during the Vietnam War. That is what Ali was doing. |
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Agree, we dont know what was in his mind/heart at that time or even at the end. Only ONE knows that, and where you end up He decides. |
“Integration is wrong."
“My enemies are white people"“ "All Jews and gentiles are devils" "Everything black people doing wrong comes from the white people—drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, stealing, gambling—it all comes from the white people. ”Chinese love Chinese—they love their little slanted-eyed, pretty brown-skinned babies. Pakistanis love their culture. Jewish people love their culture. Lotta Catholics don’t wanna marry nothing but Catholics, they want their religion to stay the same. Who wanna spot up yourself and kill your race? You a hater of your people if you don’t want to stay who you are.” “A black man should be killed if he’s messing with a white woman." Hero? This is your hero? Or should we just overlook all this now that he's gone? EDITED TO ADD: IF YOU REALLY CONSIDER A MAN THAT SPOKE THESE WORDS A 'HERO', NO WONDER OUR COUNTRY IS SO DIVIDED |
^^^ Good points.
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Whether one is in favor of this being locked by Leon opr not, I seriously doubt it's in the ingterest of saving the hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Puulleease |
Not just my hero, but....
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I can't believe what I just read. :eek: forazzuriaxz, you just painted a fantastic portrait of youself. Glad to have known you. Go over to the Blowout. They will welcome you with open arms. |
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The reason any of us has a voice here is because of our collective interest in vintage baseball. To use that voice to spout ignorance and stupidity - or even intelligence - about anything else is a misuse of the board. By all means, carry on making the board a better place for collectors of vintage baseball cards. If you're posting about anything else kindly take it somewhere else. I submit that the reason people keep it here is because if they posted it anywhere else then no one would listen. Why this thread - or it's sister - hasn't been locked is astounding to me, and frankly inconsistent with the historic basis for shutting many other useless threads down. Carry on making the hobby a better place. You're all doing a terrific job here and should be really proud. |
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on a pre-war note, I just noticed while documenting a few T206s that one has a stamp on the back "MO MEAT".
Anyone ever seen one with that stamp on it? I'll try to take a scan in a few days. |
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It's easy to put today's spin on all that stuff. But I don't see how you can have any real perspective about it unless you were there. I am also sure that there were just about as many perspectives, every one of which was valid to the person who had it, as there were people who were involved. Ultimately, I choose to believe that people who followed the dictates of their conscience, whatever way that decision led them, did the right thing. Others may differ and that's OK. We will simply have to agree to disagree. |
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