Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1063204)

We've talked about sheet layout based on 'double name' cards. More on possible sheet lay-out definition, based on those partial huge factory numbers we find on the bottoms of some card backs. I read Tim's article today, and based the following on the sheet layout he shows at the bottom of this page: http://www.t206resource.com/Article-...stique-34.html

Assuming that the partial numbers at the bottom of some cards is the factory number, and given that we're finding multiple examples of the players that it shows up for, but relatively few cards show it, a few things to think about:

If we assume these examples were from cards that appear in the exact center of the sheet (with 8 players to either side), which to me makes sense, since all examples appear to be printed directly in the middle of the card,
and we assume that the player card always appeared in that position (as opposed to a different column on the sheet), also realizing that layouts will be different for different print groups (but we can tell this by the ad back),
and that there were always 4 rows per player, then...

You wouldn't expect to see any examples of such players with overly-tall fronts (fronts that don't show part of the name of the card above), since the partial '30' at the back bottom of some examples indicates that these players wouldn't appear in the top four rows. This would only be true within print groups;e.g-I have two SC 350/460 fact 30 Johnson portraits and wouldn't expect to see 'tall boys' for any SC 350/460 cards or any other ad backs printed at the same time.

The odds would be against all examples of a particular card showing partial factory at the bottom, being from the same ad back/factory combination. For instance, using the example above, I would expect to also find Piedmont 350/460 Johnson Portraits with the top of a 25 (or less likely, a 42).

If all of the above is true, then we should be able to get a good idea of how many different sheets were printed, just based on which cards have a partial factory on the bottom of their ad back, using the ad back 'print group' information we already have to determine the number of sheets per print group.

Just brainstorming here, so please add your thoughts.

Originally Posted by LukeLyon (Post 1414933)

I got Steinfeldt. It's my first one of these after keeping an eye out for them for a couple years. I was very excited when I found it!

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08 (Post 1414932)

That was a pretty cool article. I never read that one before.

Originally Posted by oldcardboard (Post 1415019)

I have Fred Clarke Portrait SC350.

Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 1349840)

I have another 30 to add to the list - Hemphill. This makes 15, as per the updated list below. Sorry to torpedo the possibilities for 14. At least Hemphill is also in Print Group 1 like everyone else on the list (Print Group 1).

• Ames (port)
• Beaumont
• Cobb (bat on)
• Durham
• Gilbert
• HEMPHILL
• Johnson (port)
• Killian (pitching)
• Mathewson (port)
• Merkle (port)
• Overall (port)
• Spade
• Steinfeldt (port)
• Tannehill ("L" on front-Chi.)
• Wagner (bat left)

Originally Posted by Jantz (Post 1466687)

Damn good work Pat!

The missing ink on the crossbars could be a connector.

If we could find other players examples with this missing ink, then we could determine how many different sheets were printed for the Sweet Caporal 350-30 print run. It wouldn't matter now whether they have a sheet number or not.

Originally Posted by t206hound (Post 1415172)

Here's the updated list; as pointed out earlier, all in print group 1.

• Ames (port)
• Beaumont
• Clarke (port)
• Cobb (bat on)
• Durham
• Gilbert
• Hemphill
• Johnson (port)
• Jones, Fielder (port)
• Keeler (with bat)
• Killian (pitching)
• Mathewson (port)
• Merkle (port)
• Overall (port)
• Spade
• Steinfeldt (port)
• Tannehill ("L" on front-Chi.)
• Wagner (bat left)

Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 1587391)

Came across this McGraw to add to the list which I believe makes twenty
different subjects found with a Factory #30 so far.

Originally Posted by t206hound (Post 1596987)

Here's the updated list of twenty-two;

• Ames (port)
• Beaumont
• Clarke (port)
• Cobb (bat on)
  
• Dahlen (Brooklyn)
• Dooin
• Durham
• Gilbert
• Hemphill
• Johnson (port)
• Jones, Fielder (port)
• Keeler (with bat)
• Killian (pitching)
• Mathewson (port)
• McGraw (port no cap)
• Merkle (port)
• Overall (port)
  
• Seymour (batting)
• Spade
• Steinfeldt (port)
• Tannehill ("L" on front-Chi.)
• Wagner (bat left)

Originally Posted by Maculay1979 (Post 1597071)

I just recently acquired the Dahlen without realizing what the mark at the bottom was.

Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 1597115)

Nice Card, congratulations on the new acquisition.

Patrick

Originally Posted by Jobu (Post 1698598)

Hey Brian

I don't think that is a sheet number, it is either stray ink or a later addition to the card.