Thanks Sean--and I agree!:)

Evers

Here is one I just picked up, I think I saw the same scratch on an earlier scan with a different front. It also looks like it could line up to the upper right of the Donlin scratch that I saw a scan of in this thread.

Another Donohue Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch
 

No longer mine...

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/u...edmont-150.jpg

Kleinow
 

Not mine, but has a plate scratch.

http://www.hofcards.com/catalog/254G.jpg

Sold on eBay last week.

My new Hannifan has some interesting lines on the back. Anyone seen anything like this or have an idea of how it could have happened? Obviously it's not a P150, but I didn't feel like starting a new thread for it.

Hey Luke, it's definitely an odd one and discussed previously but not much figured out. Thanks for posting.

Luke...
 

ive seen many hanifans with that plate mark....I have passed on a ton! about 1/3 of them have that(pied 350)

Another Shipke with scratches that differ from those in posts 10 and 59.

Here is another seated Donlin that is currently listed on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-13...-/271723912892

Just curious if anyone was working on putting the pieces of the puzzle together any longer. Haven't seen an attempt at a sheet back in awhile. I unfortunately I don't have the skills to do it.

Jobu just pointed out this scratch on my Donlin:

Still another
 

I'm sure there enough data points in this set already, but I have to join in anyway. The very first P150 card I examined showed a plate scratch.

The card is Ginger Beaumont's

Attachment 173825Attachment 173826

I still have to do some sorting, but I don't think I had Beaumont in the scans.

Steve B

Joss portrait

my pink Chase:

Flick

Ball

Chase throwing (scratch along the bottom)

Willis

Nichols

I hope this is a new one to have added to your list. I have this Sullivan with what someone told me was a printers cut mark and a plate scratch. Is this the same card that was submitted by z28jd on page 3 of this thread?
Robert

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psgqs6qhwr.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psgurfieca.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...pstl1l51dm.jpg

While not new, that's a far better scan of Sullivan than I've found. I have a poor scan of one graded Auth with the same scratch but not showing the crop mark, which was probably trimmed off on that one.

Better scans help, since I'm also looking at the fronts. Each front has a few minor differences that match a particular back. Like having the little registration marks or not.

It's a very long term project on most cards, but a few of the tough ones have specifically identifiable fronts that always match particular back flaws.

Steve B

I found three more.

O'Leary of Detroit
Jacklitsch of Philadelphia
Crawford of Detroit

I will post scans later tonight..........I need to go shovel a half foot or more of snow now.

Robert

Here are scans of the three additional ones I found. Hope this helps with your research. Note that the Jacklitsch has a second scratch near the bottom. I missed that one at first.
Crawford
O'Leary
Jacklitsch

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2czlykkp.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psshenpkqh.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psgrx8rywn.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psoxxucdpf.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4y3ks99z.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/...psgb50pjoa.jpg

I haven't looked at my list yet, but I'm almost certain I don't have Jacklitsch with a double scratch yet.

I'd suspected multiple horizontal scratches because of the way they didn't usually line up, that one proves it.

Steve B

It is the same one I posted(not the exact same card), looked back and saw I never put the name, but it is Sullivan with the same marks

Have any of these ever been married to a neighboring card or better yet, multiple cards either vertical or horizontal?

There's a few tentative pairings. That needs a bit more work. I was doing it with a puzzle I made by drawing the scratches onto some blanks I made and matching them. What's more solid are the ones with the same scratch on two different fronts. Those show how the subjects can't be from the same sheet.

Steve B

It's cool that you are attempting this Steve. Maybe one day it will pay huge dividends. I cant put together a simple jigsaw puzzle where one knows the pieces fit, I could only imagine the difficulties in putting this together.

Pat R has actually done way more work on finding them than I have. It's great to see someone take an idea and really go to work on it. The whole sheet layout thing is so complex the only way I can see is to combine all the clues and the work of probably dozens of people. Even then I don't think we'll see a solid solution for any one back anytime soon. Doing it for a stamp can take decades with blocks available, and we don't have much beyond a few provable pairs.

Keep the info coming, someday the monster will be tamed.

Steve B

Here's another Jacklitsch with the double scratch and an example of the same
scratch on two different fronts that Steve is talking about, Willis and Evers with the same scratches in three different locations that are all matching
scratches.

Nice!

Plus the first pair and last pair stack with each other. first above the last.

Steve B

A Nichollls and McGraw that match up with the Jacklitsch. There is a short
piece of the lower scratch on the Nichols through the Y that ends at the T
in quality.

Beauty! Interesting that these three are similar color scheme & style. Nice work all.

Here's Another scratch that ties Nicholls,Jacklitsch And McGraw together.
It's Hard to see with the smaller scans so I highlighted the scratches.

That is awesome Pat! Is it a coincidence the cards are so similar in colors?

Nice work Pat!

Donnie That's a good question and it may be nothing more than a coincidence about the colors.

Not that we should ignore the colors, but don't let that be a big factor. When I was researching the Sweet Caporal 460 f#42 T206s that displayed a wet sheet transfer, 11 of the 12 cards either had a yellow or blue background. I thought the last card would also have one of these two colors for the background. The 12th card was Crandall (portrait with cap) with a red background. The wet sheet transfer is harder to see on this card since half of the transfer blends into the background color.

J@ntz

Here's another Red Dooin with a horizontal scratch.

I agree with Jantz probably just a coincidence with this group having similar
background colors based on past evidence of some groupings but I think
it's important to keep an open mind on the research.

Here's another pair with matching scratches. Hahn/Wilhelm

Awesome stuff Pat!

As I said, Pat has really run with this idea and he's way ahead of me by now. And I think that's a really great thing. :D

Steve B

Crandall three high vertical scratch.

WHOA! I guess that answers the three alike row question.

Yep, for sure at least three.

Probably more than three.

Steve B

Donnie and Jantz......
 

No coincidence of similar color sequencing.....it's my understanding that this was a common practice in printing years ago.


About a year ago, I posted this hypothetical simulated sheet illustrating this similar color pattern in this 48 subject format.


Possible 350-only series arrangement of Major Leaguers....circa Spring 1910

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SheetIm13x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SheetIm13x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SheetIm13x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SheetIm13x.jpg



TED Z
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Ghosts from the 350 series may give us some insight that the background colors amongst neighbors were not the same.

You know, this would be a great project for a grad school student. Especially someone studying big data or something similar where they try to pull information out of seemingly random, unconnected, data sets.

Someone would have to compile all the data - ghosts, plate scratches, two-names, mis-cuts, etc and let some eager, young, stay up all night students have a go at it.

We need a NET54 intern staff!!! :D

What makes it tough is all the data is spread out over different series and backs and there is evidence that the sheet layouts were changed even among the same series and backs. Using the piedmont 150's as
an example you have a two name Lundren/Dooin and Lundgren/Ball and you have hand cuts of Wagner and Plank.

There were also some subjects that were added sometime in the middle or late printing of the 150 series one of which was Crawford (Throwing) and the plate scratches indicate he was somewhere in the middle of a sheet.

Some of the subjects on a partial sheet with Crawford (Throwing)