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ethicsprof 03-26-2010 10:31 PM

monster
 
ted,
although the monster is your elder by a bit more than a quarter of a century,
you have shown him well that 'youth' has the muscle to hold him by the
horns!!!
congrats, ole friend.
best,
barry

sreader3 03-27-2010 07:35 AM

Ted,

Your AB460-Uzit conformance rule, BL460-Red Hindu conformance rule and AB460-Uzit / BL460-Red Hindu mutual exclusivity rule each represent a significant breakthrough.

Reminds me of Einstein's three 1905 papers on the photoelectric effect, special relativity and Brownian motion.

Okay maybe not quite, but really great work, my friend!

Scot

tedzan 03-27-2010 09:56 AM

T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE
 
My, oh my....Scot

You are joshin' about my "relativity to Einsteinian" theories :) ?

However, if you akined me to Thomas Edison (my hero), I would be accepting of that as quite a high honor.
How many people know that Edison inadvertently was the first man to measure electronic current, while he
toiled with his light bulb invention ?

Where would this world of electronics be.....if Edison's experimentation back in 1880 with "electron motion"
emitted from metallic conductors within a glass enclosed vacuum.....had not occurred ? ?

Anyhow, my friend, I really appreciate your very kind words. Your "Inside T206" book has been very influen-
cial in my better understanding of this set....that many of us affectionally refer to as "The Monster".

Best regards,


TED Z

judsonhamlin 03-27-2010 11:18 AM

Smartly done!

Now let me ask a question: Does finding 74 AB460's mess with your sheet size theory? If they were all single printed, we'd have two spares (6 sheets + 2) hanging out at 12 cards across a sheet. Do you think some were double printed? Did they squeeze more than 12 on the sheet if they planned on the cards being more narrow? 13 cards across would presumably yield 78 cards.

ullmandds 03-27-2010 11:51 AM

2 Attachment(s)
these are my only 3 AB's...I thought I had a 350 no frame...wonder where it went?

refz 03-27-2010 12:04 PM

nicely done congrats!

cfc1909 03-27-2010 02:46 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Attachment 16151Attachment 16152

not sure about AB 460 but Cycle 460 Frill does exist-also it is factory 25 not 42 but he did get printed with a 460 back

tedzan 03-27-2010 04:08 PM

Jim R......
 
the CYCLE 460 cards were printed in the Fall/Winter of 1910. Therefore, I am not surprised that this front/back combo
exists.

The American Beauty 460 cards were inserted in AB cigarette packs at Factory #42 in the Spring of 1911. This was at
least 8 months after Frill was back in the Eastern League.


TEDZ

Northviewcats 03-28-2010 02:48 PM

Overall Throwing
 
Hey Ted,

There was an American Beauty 460 Overall with yellow background that just was sold on eBay. I'm not sure but I think it was one of the cards that you were looking for on your list of unconfirmed 460s. Here is the link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEDWX:IT

Best wishes,

Joe

FrankWakefield 03-28-2010 06:11 PM

The only American Beauty 460 that I still have... maybe on of the tougher ones.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../CobbAB460.jpghttp://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...bAB460back.jpg

tedzan 03-28-2010 07:07 PM

T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE
 
Frank

Very nice Cobb....regarding how tough this is with an AB 460 back, I would rank it as medium-tough. From my experience
in putting together this sub-set, there are 3 levels of scarcity....very tough, medium tough, and not so tough. Perhaps, I
will post a list of the cards that fall into these three categories of scarcity in a subsequent post.


Best regards ole buddy,

TED Z

FrankWakefield 03-28-2010 09:51 PM

Thank you, Ted.

I'd like to see a breakdown of American Beauty backs, series, frames, and difficulty. In an ideal world we could get Scot R. to revise or revisit his great work, or at least add an appendix that incorporates what you've done with cards by back.

That image up there with the cigarette and card sticking out of the pack, what's the middle line printed on the cigarette paper, between American Beauty and U.S.A.?

tedzan 03-29-2010 07:12 AM

Frank W......
 
The printing on each cigarette in this American Beauty pack is:

" American Beauty
The American Tobacco Co.
U. S. A. "


Best regards,

TED Z

cfc1909 03-29-2010 09:27 AM

nice Cobb Frank...:D

tedzan 03-29-2010 03:38 PM

T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE
 
I have received several emails asking me if I won the rare AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 Orval Overall on ebay.

I did win this card with less than 1 second to go. My "counter-snipe" system worked perfect. Someone placed a snipe bid
of $176.01 in the last second. But, I still won it, with less than 1 second to go. Click on this link to check-out the bidding.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140393102997

I'm proud of my system....it has "out-sniped" the snipers for me 14 out of 16 times this past year. That's an 87% success
rate....not too bad.


TED Z

Northviewcats 03-29-2010 05:08 PM

Anti sniped
 
Hi Ted,

Just for your information I was the underbidder on that auction and if I had to lose the card to an anti-snipe system that I'm glad it was yours.

Best wishes,

Joe

FrankWakefield 03-29-2010 05:23 PM

Thank you, Jim. And congratulations, Ted. Yours will be a good home for that Overall card.

tedzan 03-30-2010 06:51 AM

Joe Dr......
 
I'm sorry, it was you that I beat out for this card. All we see is ebay's cryptic bidder ID's. I hate ebay's "cryptic-ized"
bidder's list.

I don't have a software type of anti-snipe system, just a "Ted Z system" that is unsophisticated, but quite effective.
Nonetheless, I was very surprised that I beat your bid in the very last second. My system has not been that precise
in my past 14 successful winning bids.


Best regards and hope to see you in Cooperstown, as usual this summer.

TED Z

ethicsprof 03-30-2010 11:19 AM

cobb
 
Frank W.

great looking Cobb AB.
i don't see many of those!!!
and congrats Ted on inventing the Zanidakisean counter-snipe system.


best,
barry


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