Forgot this one...

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O love all of those!

The color in the Rams screams a certain maker but I can’t remember which one.

Nice, Fballguy. I like the Steamrollers.

It's by WGN. Identical to their Los Angeles Rams pennant; same artwork.

Anyone have a 1937 Hank Greenberg BF3 felt pennant for sale? Thanks!

Were the Petaluma Leghorns part of this league? Pretty legendary round these parts.... seems I recall a pennant, probably local made

I don't think that it was the same league, but there were other semi-pro leagues around in CA evern earlier (1930s), with teams like the Salinas Packers.

Mini Pennant information
 

Hi everyone

I found this set in a box - don't remember when I picked it up?

I remember some attributing the pennants to Tom's peanuts?

They're about 6" and there's a set of 16.

Interesting which locations they picked - I'm doubting they're "period?" If a promo from Tom's e.g. These could be from the 70s or something?

The Cincy pennants refers to the Redlegs.

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Hey, pennant guys
 

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Some additions I’ve grabbed over the last few months. Minnesota Pride :)

Nice, Erik! I really like the top one.

Thanks, Marc! I hadn’t sent that particular version before, so I was happy to find it.

I love it too...

The St. Louis Browns used that same design, and then the Orioles continued with it. Both are toughies, but not as rare as yours. Anyway, that pins it to the early-to-mid 1950s time frame.

Sweet pennants, Erik!

Have a few pennants in my current auction mostly 60's - 80's. First Year Expos is pretty cool.

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Bad Bleach!
 

That red will get you. Anyone want to take ownership? Currently on ebay...

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At least the red didn’t run all over the place like my 1962 pennant. A beginning Yankees collector could pick it up cheap, get a red Sharpie.....:p

Or just keep bleaching until the red is completely gone and have a rare, head band wearing Uncle Sam Yankee pennant.

That's too bad... pretty rare version, would've been a nice result, if not for the loss of the red paint.

Perhaps you can still send it to PSA, who will slab it as a "3.5". Then list it with PWCC, who will glowingly state...

"Radiant VG+ condition, with some red surface loss that is unaltered and totally original to the pennant." :rolleyes:

I’ve thought about bleaching my Alabama ‘Red Elephants’ pennant, but I’ve stayed away from reds thus far... Sorry it wasn’t the result you were looking for.

Oh that's not mine. I just saw it on ebay.

Question about Los Angeles Dodgers Opening of Dodger Stadium Pennant
 

My question is how do you know if its an authentic 1958 opening day of Dodger Stadium Pennant?
I saw the pennant on Offer Up. The person is asking $200.00 for it.

Well, if it's really dated 1958 and purported to be from the opening of Dodger Stadium, it is a fake. The Dodgers played at the Coliseum from 1958 - 61. Dodger Stadium opened in 1962.

If you meant to say it's dated 1962, I don't think that pennant has ever been reproduced. Is it the two-toned version with red and blue felt, sewn together vertically? Assuming so, it should be legit, and not a reproduction. Post a picture here if you want us to verify.

That said, you should not have to pay $200 for that piece. On a very good day, it's a $100 pennant in nice condition. They turn up with relative frequency, as I believe more were produced than could originally be sold at the stadium. Here's a typical nice example that sold for $68...

http://insidetheparkcollectibles.com...t-lot5247.aspx

So if you wait it out just a bit, you should be able to find a nice one for less.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for the information. Yes I meant 1962. I offered him $100 but he wouldn't take it. I will play the waiting game.

I'd do the same, and don't think you'll have to wait too long. I'll keep an eye out for one, and will post it here if/when I find one. :)

I have posted this before, but back in the 80’s I was at a show when a large find of these was released. It was new old stock. They were $5 a piece and the dealer had at least 50. These aren’t tough to find and as Mark said you should be able to find one for less than $100. Still a nice pennant

Our friends Trench asleep at the wheel?
 

Picked this one up yesterday and noticed something odd. On the back of the picture, they designate a player as "Unknown". How can five time All Pro and Hall of Famer Henry Jordan be "Unknown"?

They also fail to name Ray Nitschke at all.

Just odd...to a pennant geek like me anyway.

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Nice pennant Rob. Those are tough to find in great shape.

That's so odd. You'd think the team at Trench would have access to a media guide or something that could help identify this player before they printed the photo.

I guess we have to remember what life was like before the internet....

Very nice pickup Rob! Great condition!

I wonder if the teams provided the pictures for these. I can't imagine Trench arranged for a pennant photo shoot with the entire team...in addition to their normal, annual team photo.

Jason/Erik...Thanks go out to Rick Haskins for this one. Picked up some great pennants from him on Friday. Unfortunately, my wallet forced me to choose among many...so there will be some left if you run into him at the National. ;)

Thanks a lot for the teaser, Rob...

Let's see a few others you picked up!

Good point, Rob. No, I can't imagine each team took a photo just for use on Trench's pennants--separate from their annual team photo. But, it does appear that Trench actually printed the team's photo, as evidenced by the Trench name on the reverse. They probably had to in order to create a photo that had the right dimensions; and, maybe on a material that was suitable for whatever adhesive they used to bond the pennant with the felt (tape, I think??).

Really psyched to have picked this up. Seems to be much harder to find than the Dodgers companion pennant - both were made without tassels.

Safe to say, this was probably the last time they asked an intern to identify the players. ;)

And yes...tape. Really good tape. The predecessor to Gorilla tape I'm guessing.

I thought so too...when I picked this up last week. ;)

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Those are tough Sox variations as well

Good observation about the absence of tassels on these two pennants. Both were made by Trench--a company that always included a pair of tassels on their 3/4 and full size pennants through 1970 or so.

Except in 1959 when making the NL and Al Champions pennants for the Dodgers and Sox, respectively. Never could explain it.

Do you suppose they ran out of tassels at the factory that week..?

But no shortage of yellow spines. They had plenty of those whether the yellow went with the color combination or not. That Dodgers pennant would look sharp with a white spine.

The unfinished Rams pennant (typically this is covered in facsimile signatures) and Raiders Stars pennant aren't from Rick. The rest are. A nice group of bootleg pennants and a phantom Cowboys SBXIII Champions pennant I hadn't seen before.

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The Trench pennants with the stadium graphics are so cool. Every team had them except for the Phillies and Senators. Would love to know why they were excluded.

Dodgers Pennant
 

This is one of my favorites - I believe it's from the 50s.

The letters are sewn on - which IMO gives it a "well made" appearance.

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That 1959 Chisox pennant is one of the coolest looking Pennants ever... tassels not withstanding. The colors, the winged sock, the stadium and the diminutive players... that one truly has it all. An artistic Trench masterpiece!

That's such a tough pennant to find. Sewn letter baseball pennants are unusually rare. It may even pre-date the 1950s, who knows?

I've seen that one before with a Spalding label sewn on the reverse. Which makes it even cooler.

Thanx!

Hey, pennant guys
 

Couldn’t agree more, Mark. Beautiful and great finds, gentlemen!

SF Giants
 

This just arrived today. Funky.

FANTASTIC Giants pennant. Looks like a Keezer pennant from around the end of their run. Can’t say I’ve ever seen it before. Congrats!

Thanks, Greg. I believe that it is Keezer as well, and I hadn't seen it before either. Now, if I could only track down the Astros Astronaut pennant to go with it.

Damn you! :p

I hope my ebay searches didn’t let me down again. :mad:

Well, at least you paid up. :p

Coincidentally, I just recently purchased this patch.

Is that logo specific to Keezer? This one sold recently as well and has a similar...but different...logo.

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Yeah... the condition plus the rarity was worth the price for me ($150). I can still picture items that I missed for a few bucks that still haunt me to this day (because I've never seen them again) and I don't really like that feeling.

If you don't have it, I assume that it must be pretty rare. Yes?

Astros Keezer
 

I assume that this Astros pennant (not mine) came from the same Keezer run. Similar graphics and font. Sold for $300 in 2016.

Rare enough that I've never seen it.....and will probably never see it again. :(

Here’s a slightly earlier Keezer Astros pennant ... same astronaut, pennant made of cloth

Greg- I like it. How long have you had it?

Anyone know how the Keexer pennants were sold? Any Keezer advertisements out there?

I've got this rare die-cut variation... the New York Giants version (not S.F.) It is similar but different. It's large (5" tall by 4" wide). If Marc, Rob or anyone else doesn't have it (and is interested) I can let it go.

$65 + $3.50 shipping would do it. Normally I'd post on BST, but seemed like an opportune time to insert it here... thanks!

Where did that one sell? Do you know what it went for? Hammered but cool and unique.

Rob...On Ebay. It was listed as $195 or best offer. Based on where it sits in the sold listings, looks like it sold for $130-$150.

Thanks Marc. Maybe about 12-15 years. Bought it from a pennant dealer from Dallas, at a show up here in Philadelphia. I don’t know how they were sold. I like them, they have simple but cool designs. Pictures here are most of my other Keezers, still looking for a STL Browns.

Pretty provocative logo for the 1940-50s. A quick glance and you might not think that's a bat in his hand.

OMG... never noticed that, Rob...

Yes, he should be holding that bat differently. Definitely an “R” rated pose. :eek:

Speaking of which ... I always thought this one could have been done a tiny bit better

We need our resident historian to chime in. Kyle?

Great post Greg! I've always cracked up at that one too...

Good thing the male bear's left leg isn't obscured behind the female's rear end. The artist was walking a very "fine line". :eek:

1930’s/40’s St Louis Browns Mini Pennant
 

Picked up this rather unusual early St Louis Browns 9” mini pennant at an estate sale, today. What I found unusual was the grommets at the base of the pennant and the extra long tassels(one of which is missing.

Oh, don't you worry, I got some answers for you guys on Keezer; including a vintage ad that should answer some of these questions. Be patient. It'll all be on Pennant Fever soon enough....;)

Been too busy making pennants for my other site!

Ha! What’s the big deal...just bears being bears. [emoji848]

Very cool Browns Mini Pennant. When you see abnormally long tassels like that, you can pretty safely assume it was originally sold tied to a mini Bat (as a combination souvenir).

Kyle, while you are at it :) please explain these grommeted pennants. Big mystery! In full size, we see this in the late 30s/early 40s St. Louis pennants, both Browns and Cards. But there are also versions that explicitly date back as far as 1919.

The design is very distinct ... perhaps the most distinct of any brand. Some were made without grommets but what they all have in common is no sewn on strip along the wide end. Would love to know some history with these

I find this design intriguing, too. So, there's two mysteries here. First, the maker. Seems like a case could be made for these being made by a local St. Louis manufacturer, since they mostly appear on Cards and Browns pennants--not Cubs or Tigers or others in that region of the country. But I can only think of one label for a St. Louis-based pennant maker I've ever encountered, and their name escapes me for the moment.

Next I looked through a bunch of vintage trade catalogues I have listing manufacturers of pennants and their locations. And I found one possible candidate identified as a maker of pennants: The St. Louis Button Co.

Preliminary research dates this company's reign to the period 1893-1948. So, that makes them contenders for really any of these grommetted pennants we've been discussing. As the name suggests, they specialized in pinbacks; but, they also made other novelty products. I can't confirm they ever made a felt pennant, but my experience tells me: they surely did. (Why else would a button company be listed in a ca. 1920 trade catalogue as a pennant maker, right?)

So I did some more sleuthing and found this listing for a mini pennant and pinback combo for the St. Louis Browns. The pinback features--I'm proud to have learned from Greg months ago--the Saint Louis IX of Franco logo! See: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...all-1964550666

Unlike the pennant, the pinback clearly identifies St. Louis Button Co. as its maker. Maybe this St. Louis of France logo was theirs? Perhaps the pennant was made by them, too. This pennant doesn't feature the same logo or grommets ... or even a painted spine; but, it is spineless, like others we think this company made were.

Unfortunately, all these grommetted pennants lacked any sewn label, right?

That brings me to the second mystery: why use grommets? That's a much easier question. Answer: costs. The most time consuming part of making a pennant is the sewing. If you can eliminate this from your manufacturing process, say by painting your graphics on, then you can make more pennants at a time using cheaper labor. This maker believed that decorative spines weren't essential. You could paint them on if the customer really insisted on that look. As to the grommets, without a spine, the consumer had to tack directly through the backfelt--and because it was no longer reinforced with a felt spine, it could tear. The metal grommet prevented this. Additionally, when punched through the backfelt, they could secure tassels. So, the grommets were a cost effective way of making a decent pennant without having to use a seamstress or sewing machine.

Which explains why this company omitted any sewn label, right?

Here's a page from Annin's ca. 1908 catalogue dedicated just to grommets. In the middle, you can see them offering "SETTING DYES FOR GROMMETS". Pictured therewith on the right side of the page is the device our pennant maker likely would have used to punch these grommets into the felt during the manufacturing process. (Sorry, I hate N54's photo attachment process ... no clue how to make this any bigger.)

By the way, Annin also made pennants and banners for many, many years. But they did use sewn labels (e.g., "A & Co. N.Y."). So I think we can rule them out.

Finally, here's a Notre Dame pennant that was likely made by this same manufacturer, ca. 1920s, I'd guess.

As always, Kyle, amazing “sleuthing.” I sincerely appreciate your efforts.....although I suspect you get a great deal of satisfaction out of it. I think we all enjoy solving our little mysteries.

As for the photo attachment....I think Net54 is one of the EASIEST sites when it comes to photos. For whatever reason, I am never plagued by the small and/or sideways pictures others experience. Are you on a real computer or your phone? I’ve had no problems with either, but 90% of the time I am using my desktop computer. Anything from 50 kb to <2 mb usually uploads to the same ~80 kb size. Plus, I like the “preview post” button to get a, duh, preview.

Kyle ... AWESOME stuff. Thank you.

I sincerely appreciate anyone that cares about these little mysteries. I'm glad you two enjoy my answers.

Sooooooo, did we solve anything here? Anyone feel good about St. Louis Button Co.? Prior to last night, I knew nothing of them ... wasn't even sure they were in St. Louis, MO. Now, it's looking like a pretty good answer, to me anyway. I certainly can't come up with a better one; but, I'm certainly no Browns or Cards expert; and pinbacks are not my thing.

In my experience, many makers of pinbacks made other novelty items, including felt pennants. These were considered "complementary goods" and usually sold side by side. ASCO, WGN, and WinCraft all made both products for a period of time. So, it's completely logical to assume St. Louis Button Co. did, too. However, without a maker's mark from them on a felt pennant; or a vintage catalogue or advertisement referencing their felt pennants, we can only speculate.

Here's some more info on 20th century button manufacturers, including St. Louis Button Co., if you scroll down a bit:

https://www.buttonmuseum.org/button-manufacturers

There's a cool product catalogue displayed in the above piece from the company. I'm sure if they made pennants when it was printed, it would indicate so along with all the other novelty items they made....

As to my picture attachment woes ... I give up. I spend more time trying to attach a clear, legible image on my N54 posts than in research and writing. I think the files are too big, and it's either shrinking them or else not letting me attach them.

Definitely appreciate the info Kyle. There was such little info available on pennants just a few years ago, but we're slowly chipping away at the mystery.

As for pics...I use imgbox.com and picresize.com and don't have any problems. It's sometimes a couple extra steps to get it right but nothing too labor intensive.

Edit to add: They're both free.

Recent pick up
 

Thought Marc (Bocca) might be interested in this recent pick up. Has to be one of the earliest Niners pennants...definitely one of the rarest.

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Great pennant Rob! 3/4 size... right? Extremely rare...

Were the goalposts ever really like that? You see that depiction A LOT in period artwork, program covers, and even on many of the early '50s Bowman Cards. It's very consistent, but I'm guessing they took some "artistic license" in portraying them.

Hard to imagine why the crossbar would ever be placed that high up. Must've been lots tougher to tell if the kick was good or bad back then. I bet they blew quite a few calls.

OK, enough musing.... Back to pennants!

In the 1940s (this pennant is from 1946 or so) they didn't look like that. Here's a screenshot from a Rams/Eagles game in 1945. Relatively modern looking.

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In the 1920s though they do kind of resemble the ones in the pennant.

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Thanks Rob-

Great photos! I guess it was in the early 1960s that they adapted to the taller and narrower goalposts. But I love that antiquated style!

Rob- That is really, really nice. Did you pick that up from the 49er super collector with the massive pennant collection? Or did it come from elsewhere? I want to be hopeful about others existing.

And, Kyle, I also really appreciate your research. I like being able to find it on your blog, but I’d also be glad to find it all in a book some day.

Thanks Marc...No it didn't come from him. It was in the recent Hunt auction along with a decent (but common) 60s Giants pennant, a moderately rare but faded as hell Yankees pennant and a bunch of other beat to sh*t 60's baseball and basketball pennants. The Niners was the outlier of the bunch. Not sure why Hunt bundled these.